Recent UFO Laser Beams Camera Effect Proved!

Originally posted by ArMaP
I see I was not clear enough on my post. What I wanted to say was that this could be something that affects any transistor and so it could happen on any column, at any position inside the column, but if it is something like the sum of leaking currents, it could appear more on the upper or lower part of the sensor, but it would spread in the direction in which the sensor is read, in this case from top to bottom.

So you're saying it's likely that there's more than one faulty transistor?

Originally posted by ArMaP
As someone who studied some electronics (both analog and digital) I think I also know something about what I am saying.

Your input is very welcome ArMaP, bu I respectfully ask you to keep in mind that you could say the same thing about the 'LHC', but do you know all it's intricacies and characteristics?

Originally posted by ArMaP
I think you are thinking about the wrong forum and the wrong question.

If this is a sensor problem, it should be asked about on an electronics forum, not a photography forum, and asking if this is a specific thing is the best way of getting a negative answer, even if it is a sensor problem.

So, I think it should be asked on an electronics forum and the question should be just "Could this be the result of some electronics problem?"

I respectfully disagree. We are talking about image processing and photographic sensors here. Sensor technology is a sub-specialization of electronics, and many of the people that work with them, and that also have knowledge about how they operate under working conditions frequent the forum I suggested.

Going to an electronics forum would be pointless IMHO, since most would be unfamiliar with how sensors perform in real life, as part of a camera system - which is mechanical and optical, as well as electrical.

Originally posted by ArMaP
No. You should not lead the people to which you ask the question in one direction, the question should be the most neutral that is possible.

Respectfully, that is neutral. I proposed asking two questions:

Could this be sensor overload of some kind? (positive)
Perhaps it's just someone having a joke? (negative)

We have balance.

Asking "Could this be the result of some electronics problem?" is just positive, and not balanced.

IMHO it should also be mentioned that the sensor in question is a CMOS sensor, as this is a crucial part of the story.


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Not even CLOSE I cant believe people are buying this

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
So you're saying it's likely that there's more than one faulty transistor?

No, that the way the sensor is made is the reason behind the effect.

Your input is very welcome ArMaP, bu I respectfully ask you to keep in mind that you could say the same thing about the 'LHC', but do you know all it's intricacies and characteristics?

I suppose you know that the LHC is more than a little more complex than a CMOS sensor. A CMOS sensor is just a little more than an array of CMOS transistors, that is why I think that someone with a good knowledge of electronics could help solve this case.

I respectfully disagree. We are talking about image processing and photographic sensors here. Sensor technology is a sub-specialization of electronics, and many of the people that work with them, and that also have knowledge about how they operate under working conditions frequent the forum I suggested.

If they know how a CMOS transistor works and know how to make a CMOS sensor, know about the electric characteristics of the sensor and its weak spots and know the process used to make the sensor and how the processes and materials used affect the creation of the sensor then I guess it's OK, but I suggested it in the same way I would suggest someone who knows chemistry if the doubt was about the way sodium bichromate reacts to light.

Respectfully, that is neutral. I proposed asking two questions:

Could this be sensor overload of some kind? (positive)

The problem I have with that is that you are asking if this is one of the possibilities instead of asking what they think this is, so if this is something else but known by those who answer, their answer could be "No, this is not sensor overload" and not answer with what they thought (or knew) what it was.

Perhaps it's just someone having a joke? (negative)

That I think is irrelevant, why asking if they think this is a joke? I thought what we wanted to know was if this is possible as a hardware fault.

IMHO it should also be mentioned that the sensor in question is a CMOS sensor, as this is a crucial part of the story.

No problems there, if we want someone's opinion about the way something works we should give them all the data we have about it.

OK...........here are two photos of the screen of my phone playing (paused at the flash) the footage. This is exactly what I saw on the screen when I was taking the footage. This is the original .3gp file playing on my phone as you can clearly see, the filename is visible at the top and is the same filename you can see on YouTube!!!

www.flickr.com...@N07

For some reason the link doesn't work if you click direct. You need to add the "@N07" at the end of the URL in to your browsers address bar then it does. As you can see, the flash on the phone's screen is actually very bright, which does seem to suggest some sort of sensor overload. The column of pixels seems too just illuminate below one of the points of light. Looking at the other videos I took, the white flash actually comes from one of the lights to the left this time....I am guessing, but I suspect this just depends on brightness cause by hand shake blur and is pretty much random.
I am going to contact NOKIA also and hopefully get their technicians to look at it and give an explanation as we seem to be going round in circles on here. I will let you know.

Interestingly, I did email another UFO website and The Sun Newspaper pointing out my findings about these videos. Neither bothered to reply or reported it, now there's a surprise. A bit like the photos by George Adamski, nobody wanted to believe he faked them, cos they just looked so good!!(till they found the model he used after he had died). And I admit, this laser thing does look pretty good, and as it appears on footage of unknown light sources too it just has to be real............doesn't it?? I rest my case.

NB. Though talking of the name Adamski, by coincidence, if you do want a "real" UFO mystery google it along with Alan Godfrey and "Todmorden" and you will have enough to keep you going all night!!! These are the genuine mysteries, not daft claims of lasers taken by cellphones, believe me, stop wasting time and study the genuine unexplained and you might get somewhere!



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Never mind, I can see the images now...

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Apologies for not replying sooner. I had to go away for a few days, and had no access to the internet.

Fair play to you higlander and ArMaP. Perhaps I was a little over zealous and I apologize for that too. Even if the chances of it being a camera fault are slim, it has to remain a possibility, at least until it can be excluded with 100% certainty, and I'm not qualified to answer that with that degree of certainty.

It's possible that the only people who could know for sure are the people who made the camera module/sensor that was put in the Nokia. I looked for a bit but could not find out who made it.

Either way, I don't think any of us here think this 'laser beam phenomenon' is likely to be connected to anything alien - this thread probably sums up the most likely possibilities quite well. If is a camera issue, well, I guess I'll have to heat my hat

I'll keep an eye on this thread for developments, but I'm quite busy at the moment and for the foreseeable future, so I hope you'll forgive me once again if I abandon this thread for a while.

I hope you guys manage to find an answer.
Good luck.

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
Apologies for not replying sooner. I had to go away for a few days, and had no access to the internet.

Fair play to you higlander and ArMaP. Perhaps I was a little over zealous and I apologize for that too. Even if the chances of it being a camera fault are slim, it has to remain a possibility, at least until it can be excluded with 100% certainty, and I'm not qualified to answer that with that degree of certainty.

It's possible that the only people who could know for sure are the people who made the camera module/sensor that was put in the Nokia. I looked for a bit but could not find out who made it.

Either way, I don't think any of us here think this 'laser beam phenomenon' is likely to be connected to anything alien - this thread probably sums up the most likely possibilities quite well. If is a camera issue, well, I guess I'll have to heat my hat

I'll keep an eye on this thread for developments, but I'm quite busy at the moment and for the foreseeable future, so I hope you'll forgive me once again if I abandon this thread for a while.

I hope you guys manage to find an answer.
Good luck.

Thanks, no problem apology accepted. It's good to have debate, and appreciate you spent a lot of time looking in to this also. At least now this thread provides an detailed presentation of the case for all to see and decide themselves. Personally I find it disappointing that sites showing these videos have not bothered to present my case as well and show my videos also. Presenting one-sided evidence does not do anything for proper investigation!

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I couldn't find any reference to the maker and model of the sensor either, and I suppose nobody that owns one of those phones is thinking of taking it appart just to see that.