Michael Jackson converts to Islam

reply to post by LoneWeasel


My own personal opinion coincides with yours - it's wrong for a child to marry, and I believe this is a very good progression on the part of most countries, and yet as I've shown children as young as 13 are allowed to marry in at least 1 US state
I also happen to be against arranged marriages as well, but that's hardly the point.

We do far too much finger pointing - do you think these countries would be happier if their people had access to celebrity mags, and porn channels on satelite TV, hard drugs and enough alcohol to blind themselves?

If jackson is serious about this, I hope it brings him the peace he appears to need - if not, then he's made himself a very big stick to be hit with.

reply to post by budski


I guess this stems from the fact that certain policies which were changed in the West were percieved as a correction of past injustices.

Would you defend slavery if Arabs owned black people in modern times; simply by dismissing it against the West previously owning slaves?

What we in the West percieve as past wrongs are also extrapolated to other countries; and if they still indulge in them then we judge them. Thats pretty much just the nature of the West.

Child marriage is much the same. I dont think that its malice can simply be dismissed as being another culture and therefore immune from criticism. Neither can it be dismissed just because it occured at some point in the past in the West.

How about women being barred from driving? Or stoned to death after being raped? Or honour killing? Are these beyond reproach simply because they occur in another land, under someone else's watch?

Arabia is advanced in some spheres as you rightly say- education, law and order are well maintained in their countries. They are a hospitable, intelligent people by and large; but some things are still dubious. I have no doubt that Saudi Arabia would be significantly more advanced if they rejected the Wahhabi sect of Islamic doctrine, and became more moderate.

I look at Arabia and by my moral compass (which is by no means totally in line with the traditional Western morals), and I see a land which is backward in some respects. Arabia is extremely pragmatic in some respects, but extremely backwards in others. This is my opinion- Im not going to go over there and force them to comply with what I think.

Nonetheless I will not respect Arabia as a region unless some things change... If you call me prejudiced for that, so be it.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
"Cause This Is Allah, Allah Night
And He's Gonna Save You From The America Beast About to strike
You Know It's Allah, Allah Night
You're Fighting For Your Life Usa's A Killer, Allah"

Well someone had to do it-
How about
'The way you mecca me feel'

mj= attention


just gets Letterman and Leno talking about that pedarest again

Why on Earth is this thing being taken seriously at the moment? Mods, why didn't you catch this one before it grew faster than a tumor?
The original story was written by The Sun, a British b#llsh!t tabloid that is notorious for things like this. The article here is simply reposted by another news company.

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny


It is amazing that a guy who has been through so much of pain and turmoil in his life finally found solace in islam.

What was wrong with his religion? Why did he convert. I think his financial and personal worries at the present time have got better of him

This was the same star of the century pop star that sold millions of albums in the 80s and 90s. I think we will still treat him as Michael jackson and not as a muslim

www.rediff.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

call me cynical but Islam allows everything he has been charged with -now of that is against any rules if you re a moslem

www.islam-watch.org...

converting to Islam makes him innocent in the eyes of his new god

Originally posted by Resinveins
A nut case by any other name is still a few cans short of a six-pack.

No matter what religion this loon says he follows I wouldn't trust him around a child of any age.

take a closer look as what is allowed in his new religion - it might be the reason he chose Islam

as long as he is a moslem he is not breaking any rules no matter how many children he fancies and in what way - no not even pet chimpanzees called Bubbles

they won't have dogs but they'll take this freak??

i mean, if the issue is whether the beast is too unclean to touch... consistency guys, c'mon.

yeah i expect this post to be deleted so what

Only thing I hate more than MJ is hearing about MJ. Why is this on ATS. Seems like it belongs on some celebrity gossip site. Maybe he will get shipped off to Afghanistan! I like that idea.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by budski

 

Perhaps Im just being thick.

How is a marriage contract which is subsequently completed any better than "unsolicited" paedophilia?

The child is equally abused in both situations.


ps: Even if such arrangements were practised in other parts of the world, they currently are not. The onus of evidence is on you to prove otherwise. Your criticism that I am prejudiced is bang on in this case... I dislike the culture of Saudi Arabia vehemently.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by 44soulslayer]

the arranged marriages are not always ones that wait for the child bride to be of age because there is no age of consent in islam

it is commont to have brides age 7 having sex with their husband who is likelyy to be an old man


thighing a baby is ok in islam so long as she is your wife and add to that temporary marriages for quick sexual satisfaction

www.faithfreedom.org...

www.topix.com...

Originally posted by Chadwickus
We're supposed to care because...?

I didn't realise ATS was a gossip site

You heard the latest about Paris?

[edit on 21-11-2008 by Chadwickus]

Oooooh, no. What about Paris?!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by megabyte

the arranged marriages are not always ones that wait for the child bride to be of age because there is no age of consent in islam

it is commont to have brides age 7 having sex with their husband who is likelyy to be an old man


thighing a baby is ok in islam so long as she is your wife and add to that temporary marriages for quick sexual satisfaction

www.faithfreedom.org...

www.topix.com...

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Wrong!!!!!!

Please cite something from Islam that states such.

Muslims do NOT practice pedophilia.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by megabyte

the arranged marriages are not always ones that wait for the child bride to be of age because there is no age of consent in islam

it is commont to have brides age 7 having sex with their husband who is likelyy to be an old man


thighing a baby is ok in islam so long as she is your wife and add to that temporary marriages for quick sexual satisfaction

www.faithfreedom.org...

www.topix.com...

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Wrong!!!!!!

Please cite something from Islam that states such.

Muslims do NOT practice pedophilia.

You mean apart from their inspiring leader mohammed how married Aisha aged 6 or 7? [who was said to be his "favorite"]

en.wikipedia.org...

www.light-of-life.com...

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Foppezao]

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by Foppezao


You mean apart from their inspiring leader mohammed how married Aisha aged 6 or 7? [who was said to be his "favorite"]

en.wikipedia.org...

www.light-of-life.com...

Sigh. I have already covered this at length but for you, I can give you the quick version.

Pedophilia - sexual attraction to PRE-pubescent children.

Muhammed did not consumate his marriage until his bride had reached purberty. I will be back with more details for ya later when you post some other anti-muslim site as evidence but for now, I just proved Muhammed was not a pedophile.

P.S. I did say use a muslim source to show me where they practice pedophilia. Could not find one eh?


[edit on 23-11-2008 by angel of lightangelo]

Is this for real? Is there another source? I'm not doubting you I'm just really surprised. He was once a Jehovah's Witness so that's why I'm shocked.

Originally posted by Ign0rant
reply to post by sunny_2008ny

 

I truly hope it works out for him. He needs some peace in his life.

-Ign0RanT

So true. If that's his way of finding peace than good for him.

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny
I remember he was staying with some Sheikh in middle east some time back before he came back to LA. May be that had an influence on him

It is also some gimmick to bring him back into the news. Dont be surprised if he launches a new album soon !

Would you say the same thing if he was a Baptist?

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by sunny_2008nyIt is amazing that a guy who has been through so much of pain and turmoil in his life finally found solace in islam.

This sounds made up.

One does not become Muslim by "pledging their allegiance to the Koran". And no Imam needs to officiate. This sounds made up.

You become Muslim by stating the affirmation of faith. Only that, and it is not a "public" ceremony.

He is being sued by the Sheik that he took advantage of, I bet that has something to do with all of this.

Oh good point. You pledge to believing in Muhammad and that he is the one true Prophet from God. I'm reading a book about Islam now and I don't recall you pledging on the Quran.

reply to post by Foppezao


I hope some info from real Muslims helps.

"First off, Islam prohibits arranged marriages in the meaning that a spouse is chosen for you and you have no choice. The only type of arrangement would be if 2 families know each other and have children that may be interested in marrying, then arrangements are made. But if the son or daughter is not interested in marrying they should not be forced to do so. It seems like westerners cannot distinguish between cultural practices and religious ones. Some people practice forced arranged marriages, but that's an ignorant cultural practice that has no basis in our religion.


Secondly, the age of consent is the age of puberty. Puberty distinguishes childhood from adulthood, however there is no religious text that requires marriage as soon as puberty is reached. Furthermore the old man - young girl story is more of a myth than reality. This guy posts this so "matter of factly" that it leaves one to conclude he is so ignorant that he probably thinks Jesus spoke english too or he is blatantly lying. Our prophet encouraged us to marry people of strong faith and practice, and have plentiful children and live with one another in peace and happiness. These people try to make us out as oppressive but the it is opposite rather.


Lastly, temporary marriages are forbidden in Islam. It was a practice that existed in the early days of Islam and it was later prohibited by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The only group who has permitted this practice is the shia, who have greater problems than this issue. In short, the shia are like catholics, they worship shrines of dead "righteous" people and they have many core beliefs that clearly contradict the Qur'an and statements of the Prophet. Their founder was a Jew from Yemen who sought to destroy Islam from within, similar to the story of Paul and how he created a new religion, but that's another long topic."

I would not go to a plumber to explain my car to me, you should not let Christians explain Islam to you.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by angel of lightangelo]

Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
What I don't understand is why he has adopted an Arabian name. Just because you've changed your religion, doesn't mean you have to sacrifice your culture.

When I lived in Arabia, a tv program that I watched said all muslims should have non-western-sounding names. I thought that it was one of the 7 Pillars of Islam, but I can't find a solid reference.