Massive object crashes over Edmonton, Canada

Originally posted by gormly
Seriously people? Many of you should be embarrased....

Originally posted by plejaren-spirit

dude theres no pleasing skeptics
you can have a pleadian beamship land on the pitch at a football match, have billy meier and three of his alien friends disembark.. and yet the skeptics will still scream cgi!

theres no solution to ignorance

This is what bothers me.. this was just what.. one or two hours after this thing was reported and we have guys like this prebashing "skeptics" with utter nonsense.

As a skeptic myself, if a "pleadian beamship" ever landed ANYWHERE you can bet your rear end that I would be an instant convert..

But you know what?

There's never been a pleadian beamship landing, billy meier is full of crap and I doubt he has any true friends, let alone "alien".. so come off it.

I think you should reverse your sentiment and we'd be agreeing with each other.




This thread is absolutely indicative of what my issue is with the people here.. no one even bothers to wait for evidence of any kind before they start screaming conspiracy, government cover up, little green men and other absurdities.

We had resident "experts" talking about the "flashing" and how meteors "can't do that", we have people telling us about "strobe lights" and the object "slowing down".. Some people were seeing orbs.. relating it to similar past incidents, talking about coverups and roswell.

Some said it was absolutely alien, some said it was an illusion.
Even with the video and 99.9% certainty that it was in fact, a meteor and there is in fact NO "cover up" people still refuse to believe the truth.

There are several of you participating in this thread who claim (loudly) to "deny ignorance" while being the epitome of ignorance.

I think this thread should be a wake up call to the members here that we collectively jump the gun with our serious lack of logic, scientific knowledge and common sense.


Every thread like this thats gets hysterical and out of hand is one more nail in the coffin of ATS member credibility.

Co-sign

A lot of people get overly excited and it turns a sobering event into a high school drama.

Let's try and be a little less emotional guys.

Let's try and be a bit more deliberate.

Together, we can accomplish a great deal. We are all on the same team.

reply to post by gormly



Well said, nothing to add really! Only that i am a believer in aliens etc.. but not sure whats true and whats bs.. But people that see a meteor and think its a space craft etc is just unbelievable and stupid and has nothing to do with common sence more to do with wanting things to bad! Unfortunately thats not really the way it works.


[edit on 21-11-2008 by Pazzzzz]

Has someone said this already? These meteor sightings in Edmonton and Sacramento might simply be part of the Leonid showers.

The past several nights have seen a lot of fireball activity, most likely in association with the Leonids Meteor Shower, which is just past peak. Last night, we saw reports out of western California, and tonight, New Orleans had a nice fireball sighting.

source

I don't know who writes that blog, but it sounds good to me. Is EarthSky a reliable source? They mention the Leonids peaking on Saturday, November 17. Doesn't sound to me that the previous blog is wrong about this.

Edited: I guess that possibility's been discussed on here. I did a search rather than read through 28 pages.




[edit on 21-11-2008 by wintermarches]

Originally posted by gormly

We had resident "experts" talking about the "flashing" and how meteors "can't do that"

Hi gormly
Who are you referring to, may i ask?

I will leave you with this thought...

“I Would Rather Have A Mind Opened By Wonder... Then One Closed By Belief”

— Gerry Spence

Think about it.

reply to post by awakened sleeper


It was last night the first time she woke up was around 12-1 am central. She started screaming possibly an hour or so later. I was dead asleep so I didn't pay attention to the time. We live in Missouri.

The only TV that she watches is Little house & leave it to beaver. She said that the fire started from a computer and the we where in the woods in a forest fire. The second time she said she heard balls hitting the ground outside I am not sure if she was sleeping during that time or not.



[edit on 21-11-2008 by arc de triumphe]

Originally posted by Phage
The meteor was not terribly large and chances are good that not much of it made it all the way to the surface.

Atwood told CTV's Canada AM the meteor was probably no bigger than a grapefruit, and may have broken into small pieces before hitting the ground, or it may have burned up entirely before touching down.

Source

[edit on 21-11-2008 by Phage]

Don't buy the "grapefruit size" line. For some reason any time a meteor of any size is seen, the media takes local college profeesors word that it was realy small.

Although small meteors can appear quite large, and I am sure this one was smaller than most think, it was larger than a grapefriut.

In 2001 we had a meteor in our area that was seen over 3 or 4 easter seaboard states in broad daylight. My wife and I both saw it, and heard the resulting sonic booms, or explosions assosciated with it. Mind you it was a sumer afeternoon, in daylight. Most impressive sight I have ever seen.
They tracked it down to somwhere near Willimasport, PA, but never did find any peices.

The first "offical size" was that it was small, about the size of a small suitcase, and weighed a few pounds. This came from local professors. More to calm peoples fears I think.

I followed the story for some time after that. A week or so later this report came out from NASA.

Hundreds of eyewitness reports collected by the American Meteor Society establish that the fireball was moving on an east-west trajectory that carried it directly over the state of Pennsylvania. "It was traveling perhaps 15 km/s (34,000 mph) or faster when it exploded in the atmosphere with the force of about 3 kilotons of TNT," says Bill Cooke, a member of the Space Environments team at the Marshall Space Flight Center. If this was a rocky asteroid, then it probably measured between 1 and 2 meters across and weighed 30 or so metric tons.

Source Link

So the size went from a few punds to 30 metric tons, and released an air balst explosion of around 3 Kilotons, not small by any means.

Still small enough to break up in the atmosphere though.

Originally posted by plejaren-spirit
okay for the love of god
how... like 15/16 hours after the incident
with helicopters planes people (believe it or not)
and a rough idea of the area in which it landed.....

how is there still no trace/crater or anything!!

Because:

- we do not even know for sure that anything survived (although it looks likely at this stage)

- it takes time to triangulate the possible site of any falls

- it's more likely that the meteorite fragmented into many small pieces, rather than come down as one large lump. Have you ever tried searching for small bits of rock... on rough rocky terrain probably forested or covered in scrub... in the dark

- the potential fall zone probably covers many square miles, and unless it's fallen on a frozen lake, any pieces will be hard to spot

Craters are unlikely. If you read my previous posts, you can find the reason why.

Originally posted by theknuckler

As stated above it was probably the size of a grapefruit

I think that's a serious underestimate. This one was probably closer to 1m, perhaps as much as 4-5m. My bet is 1.5-2m.

Originally posted by wintermarches
Has someone said this already? These meteor sightings in Edmonton and Sacramento might simply be part of the Leonid showers.

Read my previous posts - I've explained numerous times why this can not be a Leonid.

I have not seen this video posted here, so here it goes:

www.ireport.com...

I am not really sure what to think of this video, but a stamp just appeared on the video that says "ON CNN".

If this video is from yesterday's event, this house appears to be pretty close to ground zero, the guy states that he felt his house shacking two times!


Sorry if this video have already been posted, I did not read every single post.


Chears.

Originally posted by Pazzzzz
reply to post by gormly

 

Well said, nothing to add really! Only that i am a believer in aliens etc.. but not sure whats true and whats bs.. But people that see a meteor and think its a space craft etc is just unbelievable and stupid and has nothing to do with common sence more to do with wanting things to bad! Unfortunately thats not really the way it works.


[edit on 21-11-2008 by Pazzzzz]

not one person on here has said they reckoned it was a spacecraft!

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I do believe that is a new one

Good find!

Originally posted by arc de triumphe
reply to post by awakened sleeper

 

It was last night the first time she woke up was around 12-1 am central. She started screaming possibly an hour or so later. I was dead asleep so I didn't pay attention to the time. We live in Missouri.

The only TV that she watches is Little house & leave it to beaver. She said that the fire started from a computer and the we where in the woods in a forest fire. The second time she said she heard balls hitting the ground outside I am not sure if she was sleeping during that time or not.



[edit on 21-11-2008 by arc de triumphe]

Has your daughter ever claimed to see anything weird or unusual (at least from your perspective)?

It sounds to me like she may have observed something on TV, or perhaps she actually dreamed of the meteor. This is quite common with young children.

Originally posted by gormly

We had resident "experts" talking about the "flashing" and how meteors "can't do that"

Well, these so called "experts" obviously don't have a clue, because meteors are well known to "flash" and flicker...

See some examples in this compilation here:
uk.youtube.com...

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Great find!

Star for you!


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[edit on 21/11/2008 by Sauron]

Originally posted by MorfeuZ
If this video is from yesterday's event, this house appears to be pretty close to ground zero, the guy states that he felt his house shacking two times!

Good find, but if you look at the length of the shadows cast in the footage, it's obvious that the meteor is no where near overhead, so it's unlikely the "impact site" is anywhere near by (see my previous posts for the explanation). The sonic booms reported can be heard from many tens of miles away.

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.

Originally posted by MorfeuZ
If this video is from yesterday's event, this house appears to be pretty close to ground zero, the guy states that he felt his house shacking two times!

Good find, but if you look at the length of the shadows cast in the footage, it's obvious that the meteor is no where near overhead, so it's unlikely the "impact site" is anywhere near by (see my previous posts for the explanation). The sonic booms reported can be heard from many tens of miles away.

Good point.

Weel I figured it should be closer to ground zero than the other videos cause of the speed it flies by, or am I seeing too much here?

edit to add:
"pretty close to ground zero" really was a little exaggeration on my part.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by MorfeuZ]

reply to post by KnowMore

I'm not disputing that the size estimate last night's event is a guess but I have to point out that the numbers for the 2001 meteor seem a bit odd:
2 meter diameter sphere = 4.2 m3
30 metric tons / 4.2 m3 = 7.142 g/cm3
In order to have that kind of density it would have had to be an iron/nickel meteor. Stony meteors generally have a density of about 4.5 which would have put its weight at about 19 metric tons. Not tiny, but 37% less massive than that article would indicate.

That said, I have no idea why I bothered with this. I must be more bored than I thought.


[edit on 21-11-2008 by Phage]

I havent been able to get online for quite a few days due to having been at the hospital undergoing an operation, but I just logged in for the first time in a while, saw this thread and my jaw almost hit the floor!

On the evening in question, around the same time, my wife was loading our kids in the car to go shopping. I was inside with the blinds down watching TV. My wife came running in, freaking out, saying she saw the most incredible comet/meteor/shooting star she'd ever seen.

I live in Oregon, and our house faces in the direction of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada! The direction of travel, and description of the thing my wife saw is exactly what has been described here in this thread!

I even matched it up with Google Earth, and it looks like my wife may have actually seen this!

My only wonder is, is it possible that it could have been seen from all the here in Oregon? Please let me know!

reply to post by MorfeuZ


I'd assume that his security camera would be mounted to his house...or a pole or something along those lines and I don't see the camera shaking at all to collaborate his description of his home shaking twice. Now in the description he does say it was after the flash, so maybe he just didn't post enough of the video. It would have been nice for him to leave it running for us to see if it did actually cause any vibration or shaking. Nice find.

Michelle

Originally posted by treemanx
I havent been able to get online for quite a few days due to having been at the hospital undergoing an operation, but I just logged in for the first time in a while, saw this thread and my jaw almost hit the floor!

On the evening in question, around the same time, my wife was loading our kids in the car to go shopping. I was inside with the blinds down watching TV. My wife came running in, freaking out, saying she saw the most incredible comet/meteor/shooting star she'd ever seen.

I live in Oregon, and our house faces in the direction of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada! The direction of travel, and description of the thing my wife saw is exactly what has been described here in this thread!

I even matched it up with Google Earth, and it looks like my wife may have actually seen this!

My only wonder is, is it possible that it could have been seen from all the here in Oregon? Please let me know!

What part of Oregon do you reside? This is very interesting, indeed.