Arab plan explained in Hebrew ads

Israel has made reasonable offers too.
www.haaretz.com...

This is not a one sided disagreement. Both sides obviously have their own agenda.

Originally posted by Daz3d-n-Confus3d
Israel has made reasonable offers too.
www.haaretz.com...

This is not a one sided disagreement. Both sides obviously have their own agenda.

Thats obviously true... Yerp, It never will be solved in the middle east. They've been at war for thousands of years, and "we" the west think we can just pop in and stop it all. There are ways to stop it, but they are not going to be liked unless you can brain-wash every single person.

You would have to have one SERIOUSLY short memory to take anything the 'Arabs' are offering the Israelis seriously...



Anyone that has followed the history of the the Middle East knows that the Arab mendacity about 'peace' vis-a-vis Israel... is all just code for getting in really close to get off a good shot.

It's ALL about hate. (and politics )

And quite frankly if the 'Arabs' were not so busy hating and being a totally destructive influlence...

There is more than enough land and prosperity to go around for everyone.

The bottom line is the 'Arabs' are just TOTAL bigots and any pretense to the contrary is just so much hypocrisy.

The 'Palestinians' are viewed by the rest of the 'Arab' world as expendable... and just cannon fodder...

Unfortunately, the 'Palestinians' are REALLY slow on the uptake and continually keep biting the hand that feeds them.

Honest I won't sting you! Let's cross the river...

If you also keep in mind that poverty is a state of mind... It becomes very quickly, very obvious what the real problem is...

But the JEW haters, playing SO many semantics games... (read: not so cleverly hiding it) Don't really care.

The JEWS! are NAZIS!



Yeah, so much for YOUR credibility!

The ABSOLUTE double standard continually demonstrated by the 'pro' 'Palestinian' side is just too amusing!



The JEWS! started it!!!

How?

'You are on Muslim land'... So I have to KILL you?

Do any of you guys hear yourself?

Wow- I really don't mean to undermine your authority as a Site Administrator but I must beg to differ.

To be honest my last comment, sure, I threw that in mostly emotionally based. But to answer your question, it relates to the ME peace process in that the US has quite demonstrably exerted more foreign influence in the ME of an imperial nature than any other country since we prevailed from WWII. Also prevailing from WWII was the Bretton-Woods institution which has further perpetuated this current regime of the international banking system. The Federal Reserve Chairman and the board of directors is and are appointed by the President- who with his cabinet also directs the bulk of US foreign policy. That fact that our ME foreign policy has consistently and unabashedly been in support of Israel first and foremost begs the question why is this so. I myself don't claim to have an answer but I do find odd the disproportionate degree in which Jews are involved with macroeconomic dealings and policy making of the US. That Jews constitute 2.5% of the US pop. while the Fed Res Chairman position has been held by a Jew for almost 3 decades supports this claim. There has also been a great deal of Jewish scholars who have addressed this very issue (e.g. Raphael Patai). To this end, I personally believe this strange anomaly should be considered when addressing any US involvement with Israel or the ME.

Admin Edit to remove attack. Complaints go to either the complaints form or in u2u's. Not in-thread.


[edit on 11/20/2008 by Djarums]

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
So Israel gives up land taken in a defensive war against the Arabs and then what? Iran and its foreign legions disappear? Hisbollah and Hamas will still be on Israels border and their supplies from Iran will continue. I don't see what Israel has to gain from this apart from one step in the direction of national suicide.

Actually Israel attacked first although if they didnt attack they probably would of been attacked. Its not national suicide its peace for the first time in over 1000 years.

Can you hear yourself? You were constantly on the side of the Jewish people when you seem to claim that they have never committed any crimes of their own. Seriously, the Arabs aren't just the problem, so are the Isreali people. While the Jews have support worldwide, they will always threaten the stability of the Middle East, aswell as the Arabs. Have you ever wondered why the Jewish people slowly gained their way into countries like the United States, British Empire and Russia to gain political influence. I'm not going to be one-sided, because Islam is doing the samething. The best way to counquer your far superior enemy, is to integrate into there society and in due time you will eventually have control... Just have alook how much the Western World has changed towards these people and different religions... Your into history, then you'll know how much it has changed. And one point would be, just look how much rights White british people have in the United Kingdom and the dwindeling christian faith.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by Starance]

[edit on 20-11-2008 by Starance]

Ahem

You have been asked once already to stay ON topic and cease the personal sniping.

I will ask ONE last time. If you find you are unable to stay on topic or post witha modicum of decorum and civility, then perhaps you should step back and take a break

Further instances will be dealt with accordingly

Thanks

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Please review this link:

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Interesting for you to mention- come to think of it I haven't seen much in the way Zjonist conspiracy on this site. Perhaps there is some sort of Zjonist element at work here-very nefarious. Who's running this site?


BTW-this relates to original topic in that the state of Israel is predicated on the philosophical concept of a national home for the Jewish people otherwise known as Zjonism.

I think the point is being missed, which is a real shame.

For the final time, the topic here is the Arab plan explained in Hebrew ads.

I will not be closing a very interesting topic on the middle east and overtures meant to further the peace process because a few people refuse to stay on topic.

Posts not having to do with the topic will be met by a 3-day restriction from posting.

Numerous staff members have asked nicely and have been met with nothing but attacks.

Oh and as far as this quote:

Interesting for you to mention- come to think of it I haven't seen much in the way Zjonist conspiracy on this site. Perhaps there is some sort of Zjonist element at work here-very nefarious. Who's running this site?

I don't know what "zjonist" is but you should make yourself acquainted with our search feature as there have been plenty of threads related to the topic you're intentionally spelling incorrectly.

Originally posted by Moonsouljah
reply to post by mybigunit

 

Interesting for you to mention- come to think of it I haven't seen much in the way Zjonist conspiracy on this site. Perhaps there is some sort of Zjonist element at work here-very nefarious. Who's running this site?


BTW-this relates to original topic in that the state of Israel is predicated on the philosophical concept of a national home for the Jewish people otherwise known as Zjonism.

I have nothing more to say than just this

This agreement will not be agreed to. If it ever was to be agreed to it already would have been. There must be some "bigger" reason why. Its almost as if there is a "movement" of some sort for some huge Israeli state otherwise there should be no issues in accepting this deal. Im glad the arabs are taking it to the people.

Originally posted by golemina

The bottom line is the 'Arabs' are just TOTAL bigots and any pretense to the contrary is just so much hypocrisy.

The 'Palestinians' are viewed by the rest of the 'Arab' world as expendable... and just cannon fodder...

Unfortunately, the 'Palestinians' are REALLY slow on the uptake and continually keep biting the hand that feeds them.

You're probably right and I don't find your comment Vulgar in any way whatsoever. Arabs being TOTAL bigots IS the bottom line and anything contrary IS hypocrisy.
Palestinians ARE slow on the uptake. Good for you- you've solved the Arab-Israeli conflict! You've cracked the case AND without being Vulgar in any way!

Originally posted by neonine
you know if we keep backing Israel up in some of the crap they do we keep flushing our good standings with the KSA Jordan and the rest of the middle east. one thing iv learned from talking to lots of people from over there is Israel is the real problem.

Have you read the Qu'ran? Sorry, but this whole appeasing Islam is futile. We have to flood out that religion's influence on Middle Eastern politics with superior virtue, law and governance. Now, that doesn't always necessarily mean war. But it seems people are starting to gravitate toward the rationale of isonomia in that part of the world. Its influence is extremist in nature, no matter which way you look at it. Secularism is the only way. We need to keep backing up Israel. Any conflict due to this policy of interest in Israel's sovereignty is a result of those Islamic regime's unwarranted, uncivil hostilities. I don't think we'll ever give up on Israel. Just like we won't give up on Taiwan. There's precedence there. We have to keep backing them up until this blatant uncivil intolerance by those hostile regimes comes to a complete halt.

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Israel has a level of military advantage over its neighbors that was almost inconcievable in 1967. They no longer run the risk of an army crossing the Jordan and cutting their nation in half before they have a chance to respond. Their need to hold the West Bank is significantly reduced.

I can understand why Israel has been adamant about holding onto any solid strategic position it can get, especially since 1973 proved that not all Arab-Israeli wars will go as well as the Six Day Smackdown, but Israel now is virtually impervious to any attempted invasion that its neighbors could mount, especially now that Egypt wants to play nice.

Returning to its pre-67 borders is a viable option for the Israelis. They may not like it, but its a worthwhile gamble. They don't lose anything that is rightfully theirs, and they gain at least a shot at reducing the level of violence (we all know the Syrians don't care about the Palestinians and will do everything they can to keep the fighting up, no matter how much the Palestinians want it to end, but they probably would achieve a decrease in violence. With a lot of time and a lot of sometimes painful good-faith effort, the day might come when the Palestinians get fed up with Syria stirring the pot and side with Israel against the terrorists. I admit that it's recklessly optimistic, but it's something to aim for if possible at all.

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i should have kept away from making topics and posts in this Forum,
same old BS

1. what does this have to do with apeasing muslims?

2. what does this have to do with the Quran (and before u say anything i have read the quran being of the islamic faith)



so the Arabs pressing for a peace treaty with israel is a bad thing in your eyes?
since they are majority muslim.

also if you look at the Flags on the first image you will see that a larger amount of them arent even arabs, or in the middle east.

this goes far beyond middle east to africe,Asia and so forth.

reply to post by Moonsouljah


its not so much an arab thing as it is a muslim thing.

all must submit to islam, there is no appeasement for allahs true believers.

they're not kidding, allah made this very, very clear.

all must submit. one way or another.