Do you fear who you are capable of becoming if the SHTF?

People don't want to accept that # can indeed happen. As such, they don't want to understand what they deem useless information. For those who keep an open mind about things like disaster, they'll take the information about anything they can get, and people who can 'teach one how to fish', are very valuable resources.
I like to know how to do anything that will keep that unavoidable force called 'death' at bay just a little longer.

The new series "Survivor" on the BBC (you can watch it on iPlayer) shows you exactly what people will be like in SitX and exactly why I won't be wanting any contact with anyone.

They will want to rape any women in your party, they will have guns and claim resources such as shopping malls and petrol stations as their own, if you get stuck with these people they probably won't hesitate to kill you then rape your women.

SitX = steer clear of anyone you don't know, an be weary of those who aren't in your immediate family.

Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
I would reccommend reading this item I found a while ago and posted here on ATS:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This only bears representation in today's climate in a Sit-X climate I would think that it's all up in the air and it would be just your luck to come across the low percentile of nutters.

reply to post by BlackOps719


Yo pienso, y creo,que deberia ser asi, y supuestamente será asi...
pues todo el sufrimiento que está escrito para nosotros hará que seamos mejores...
Si vemos a alguien con hambre, nuestra mision en esa hora, sera darle la mitad de lo que tenemos.
La vida es un boomerang, lo que se da, vuelve.Debemos comprenderlo.
Nadie tiene que esperar, ni temer, que algo se le quite, porque antes debee nacer de nosotros el compartirlo.
Si así no fuese despues de final de los finales, significaría que no ha servido para nada, lo que es imposible, puesto que escrito está que nuestro destino es la purificacion y la evolucion.
Desde Argentina, futuro faro de faros y sammaritana de la tierra. Paz.

I no longer fear what I may become. I have allready became that man.
Came to terms with this several years ago. I fear the most for those that have not yet reached this crossroad. I fear for those who simply cannot cross this bridge. I fear for the children and the disabled and elderly.
There are many simalar to me but the bridge they have crossed is a mile too far. They are preditors,preying on the helpless folks.
My drive is to prey on the preditors that destroy the helpless. No more, No less. A looter I will become,ruthless as an barbarian I am. Kind hearted to the helpless I Shall Shurely Be. Death and Destruction to those preditors who harvests the helpless and their posessions ,I will be as God is my Wittness.

OMEGA

I definitely do not fear who I would become. If you fear it, you may not be able to do what you need to survive. I believe I am a strong enough person to do whatever I would have to to ensure the survival of myself and my wife and child.

TINSTACT

Someone said that they fear their instincts... I find that to be a bad idea.
Once the adrenaline hits, that's all that you have, you and your instincts. You must sharpen those instincts, but you have to also keep calm.

Your instincts are what you have to fall back on, but if you can keep calm and keep a solid grip on thought and action, than you may not have to.
Like the fallout shelters built during the cold war, something to fall back on.

Only those who have really been in those situations know what it's like, and it's impossible to tell anyone the feelings you get when it happens.

I fear not being able to 'put the animal back in the cage' once its been given freedom to run without fear of reprisal from societies legal/moral constraints which keep that animal on a short leash and in check

Originally posted by dooper

have you ever seen people panic?

A drowning man will pull you down with him.

Folks trying to get on the last plane out will throw others off.

My first real taste of a 'fight or die' scenario and letting the 'animal' take over came at 9y.o. when I had the opportunity to take part in emergency evacuation testing of a new passenger airplane.

Even though it was a static airplane in a hangar and dry-ice smoke, as soon as the cabin lights went out, the emergency lighting kicked in and the place filled with a dense fog of smoke. I shoved past people who froze and panicked (even though their rational mind knew it was just a drill) climbed over seats, anything to escape and save my own skin with no regard for others.

My father who was one of the test engineers was shocked and embarrassed at my actions, and yet also proud

That's definitely a logical way of thinking, and I guess that's what people really fear, not the instincts themselves.

Originally posted by anotherdad

Originally posted by Trayen11
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An idea like that is where communties are born, and the thought of killing others without any morals leads to truely scarry times in my eyes.

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Barter and trade Yeah! so you have 2 potatoes and 3 cups of rice but if i mow your lawn you will give it to me. Hope you felt proud when checked Obama/Biden.
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This is the fault of the 80% of the population that isn't capable of Piaget's Formal Operational Thinking. You should feel bad if you voted for EITHER major candidate, McCain OR Obama, as they are two sides of the same coin; the FASCIST coin.

I don't feel guilty about my vote, because I voted for Baldwin, as Ron Paul supported him. I tried to SAVE your stupid hides.

Now, will I revert to some other mentality, when SHTF? No, I'm already in that mentality. S HAS ALREADY HTF!!! It's over. End game over, checkmate. I know my rights, and I understand life, and I will not fear my choices. I will not fear the choices of others. I will, however, try with all of my might to preserve some about of knowledge and try to reinstall CIVILITY and ORDER into the new world, as this endeavor is not dead. It is only warming up. And, Personal Liberty IS God-given, and cannot be taken away without force.

I find it interesting the visions folks have as to what behavior they would engage in and what they wouldn't, given extreme circumstances.

We had a medic who was a conscious objector. I disagreed with his decision to not carry a weapon, but I admired his guts because he put himself in harm's way more so than the rest of us.

He would fuss at me for my . . . I guess we could call it "efficiency." He would actually get angry with me at times and we discussed our philosophical differences. Yet at all times, I admired his courage.

We got hit hard, and partially overrun. It was every man for himself there for a few moments, and in the confusion, a couple enemy got through our "lines."

I was too busy worrying about the dozen or so in front of me to worry about a couple that got behind me, and in moments it was over. We began taking stock of ourselves, checking each other, plugging wounds and so on, and I had drifted back toward the center of our small perimeter when I saw the Medic sitting on a log, covered in blood, staring at his bloody hands, holding a scapel.

He sensed my presence and with a manner of disbelief, said, "I killed them." Come to find out, these two clowns that broke through found our wounded, and were bayoneting them. The Medic was returning with another wounded man and saw what was happening to "his" wounded.

He waded in, armed with a scapel. Maybe a two-inch blade, and to use the word "butchered" would not cover what he did to these two. They were sliced and diced beyond recognition.

I looked at them and deciding to lighten the mood, replied something like, "Yep, you killed the **** out of them."

I waited a moment, and said, "Doc, we need you. We've done what we know to do. You got work to do."

Only later did we talk again, and I assured him. "Doc, we all have a breaking point. Mine's about room temperature. Now you know yours. I drop these bastards at every opportunity, you drop the same bastards at last resort. We both have our place under the sun."

Until you've experienced a really bad survival situation, you really don't know exactly what you'll do. I do know that if kids are off limits in good times, kids will be off limits in hard times.

It's those nice, quiet, peaceful little guys that never say much, go along with everyone, accommodate others at every chance that are the most fearful men on earth when the time arrives that action will not wait another moment.

Good responses by everyone.

I learned that the trick is to have a few rules that will never be broken. Not too wide-sweeping. Don't want to be forced to break a rule.

For example we had three rules. Never, ever sleep on guard duty. Never, ever hurt or rape any women captives. And never, ever, throw down on a child, since they had no choice who their parents were, much less their parents politics.

Even a couple rudimentary rules will enable you to keep a string, ever so thin, that will enable a return to civilized behavior when the moment is appropriate.

Let us all pray those moments never come.

Yeah, I agree...People change when their backs are against a wall.

What do you think the next SitX will be?

pandemic Bird Flu?

The war along our borders?

Final collapse of the economy?

Originally posted by spitefulgod

SitX = steer clear of anyone you don't know, an be weary of those who aren't in your immediate family.

It helps that I do that anyways. I'm not a very trusting person, respectful, but not trusting, until I know you're trustworthy.

"The most dangerous element in the world is the mind. The mind creates adreneline."
I will resort to cannblizing if it comes to buying my family a few more days.
The only part of the body that your stomach can not digest is hair.
if someone comes at me to try and harm my family or harm my chance of survival, well they made my survival that much easier.
Will I enjoy it? No.
But if its for my family, and I have no other option, well, I would eat a bullet, if I knew I could buy my family a few more days of life.
I do value the human life, but my families is more important than anybody who tries to take it away.
I am not afraid of what I may become. In a way, I have already became that person, or animal. Just because it is MY responsiblity to keep my family out of harms way, to feed and protect them. It might come at a price of a human life.
I don't want to have to take anyones life.
i won't be out looting and murdering.
And this is a scary thing to think about
s&f BTW

I have to admit this is a very very interesting thread and I think really gets down the basics of our animal nature vs. our human nature.

I am very disturbed at the lack of humanity displayed by the parents in this thread with the attitude of I will kill anyone else, innocent or not to feed my kids and ensure their survival. Such as killing someone else who might have food or water that their kids could use.

I will suggest even an elementary study of nature suggests you will not last long with such a tactic. From the humanity side of this I would suggest you should not even be allowed to survive if such is your prevailing attitude.

As a survivalist your answer already lies in nature. Look at wolves, lions, any other social animal. Females raise their kids in herds or packs and they all help out in the community. If a female lion were attempt to kill another lion to feed her kids, a few things would happen,
1.) eventually the irresponsible parent will get killed and leave their kids defenseless to the world.
2.) if the entire species attacked each other it would never survive more than a few generations.

As a human being, I would suggest it's that self-righteous and most selfish attitude where everyone only fends for themselves and their own that would lead to a sitX in the first place.

If someone else has food and water, why not make an ally and offer your help you can provide and in return they can offer food and water or teaching you the ways in which they acquired the food and water.

Would not everyone benefit from such a simple change in strategy?

I truly believe if your are willing to hurt an innocent person so easily to provide for your own kids, you will not last long. On top of that you are incredibly myopic, selfish, and irresponsible to both the innocent person and your kids and unfit to be parents.

The people who will last the longest will be those who are able to build communities where they take care of each other and help each other out.

Sorry for the harshness but people who think like that are the ones who scare me and the type of people who got us into this mess in the first place.

wile Im for peace before arms,if I or mine is threatened I will swiftly make sure to remind the opposing party why god made a foodchain..

I've been in a situation where I've fought for my life, and I fought with everything, which was only my fists and my knife, and I won. I don't know if I killed the man, but I know I cut him deep. No police have showed up at my house yet though.
The fact is that I know I'll kill God himself if that's what it takes to survive. I've been tested in combat, and I've proven myself to me.

That is why it is imperative to forge alliances and working relationships with survivalists you know you can trust.

The sad fact is that when it gets down to it, a worst case SitX, there will be murder. It will quite possibly be survival of the fittest.

This doesn't mean running around like Rambo, this means cooperation with like minded individuals.

reply to post by Nirgal


Exactly. Allies and community is the key to survival. I think in any given sitX the biggest problem one will face is from other human beings, sadly.