Anti-Gay Blacklist

Anti-Gay Blacklist

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On November 12th, it was widely reported that Scott Eckern, the artistic director of the California Musical Theatre, resigned after the Yes on Proposition 8 donation list revealed his $1,000 contribution. Turns out, the idea of boycotting companies to get homophobic employees fired has caught on.

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Wow, I don't know how I feel about this...I am gay and I certainly don't want my money going to companies that supported Prop 8, but they should probably amend the list to only include companies who directly donated money. I will not boycott companies for the personal donations of its employees.

Your thoughts?

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I wouldn't boycott based on employee contributions either.

I do want to say, before this thread gets going and the Pro Prop 8 people head in pointing fingers, that the Prop 8 campaign directors did the exact same thing and even sent out letters to companies that contributed to no on Prop 8 campaigns and threatened them. Said if they did not recall their contributions and then give the same amount to the Yes campaign, they would "out" them.

I know this because the owner of the company I work for received such a letter, I saw it with my own eyes, it was blatant extortion. So, just keep that in mind, supporters of Prop 8, before you start pointing fingers at "the gays" about this.

I have heard about those letters but have not been able to pin down a reliable sorce. I would love to see it. Do you think your employer still has the letter?

Originally posted by TERAKO68


Wow, I don't know how I feel about this...I am gay and I certainly don't want my money going to companies that supported Prop 8, but they should probably amend the list to only include companies who directly donated money. I will not boycott companies for the personal donations of its employees.

Your thoughts?

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I feel the same way. Companies are as diverse as a city, just because a couple of people contribute to a certain thing, doesn't mean people should boycott the entire company.

It would be like PETA people boycotting Wal-Mart because some associate contributed money to a fur company...kind of ridiculous.

But then again, I also think it's ridiculous that these companies get put up on lists showing who did what for what, so that the angry people who didn't get their way can punish them.

I'm sorry if this isn't too coherent...it's very late here, and I'm about to go to bed.

It appears that a local produce company here in Utah donated 25k to prop 8. I actually own a restaurant that is part of a large franchise in the western US that buys a ton of product from this company. I think I may need to make a call to our buyer.

There must be a lot of hate for a company to deal out that much cake.

Can you imagine if religious people boycotted establishments that have gays working in them that donate to gay rights causes? Gay activist would not be happy about that, so I don’t see why any are condoning these actions. This is not right.

I can't believe some of the sums of money in that list.

You know, if these people were really concerned from a moral point of view, wanting to make a difference to American society, I'm sure the money could have been donated to some organisation that could have put it towards some use elsewhere. There's far more immediate problems that could do with large chunks of money than stopping gays from getting married.

If someone is so desperate to stop this they're willing to stump something like $25,000, I'm wondering whether the lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Merriman Weir]

Why do these folks list their employer when making a donation ? Is it because of some tax advantage when making donations or are they using company funds ?

If the latter it changes the whole equation entirely ...

Fair enough. If a company puts their name out there dealing with something like this then I am sure the do it for a strong reason. If your willing to take the hits then go for it.

Me personally, I don't think a man should marry another man or woman another woman for that matter. However, those on my personal views and it's not something that I want to see up for vote. It's not something that I think laws should be able to dictate. I don't agree with it but I am not going to tell you that it should be against the law.

I find it funny that the anti-8 people have turned to violence and intimidation. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN! Wait a few years and vote again. But your attacking old ladys and churches will harm your cause, NOT help it. But i guess that under the dictatorship of obongo, it is the NORMAL people who need to live in fear. I have not seen a single arrest in these TERRORIST attacks. Go figure. It is wrongto be strait and normal.

Boycotts like this do not work. They just create more hate and division. Boycotts are childish revenge. Boycotts say I'm going to shove my wants down your throat no matter how you feel and I could give a damn less about you or your wants. Does anyone really believe shoving little old ladies around will further their cause. Yeah, sure.

As I've said before, I don't care if people marry their pets, just knock of the in your face Gay attitude and the obscene X-Rated parades. What you do behind closed doors is fine with me as long as it is consensual.

I'll never understand the need to constantly talk about sexual preference in public to strangers. I'll never understand the need to publicly expose themselves without regard to others and their children. I'll never understand the weird idea that children as young as 5 need to be educated about Homosexuality.

If people want to be treated normal, they need to act normal. Gays cause their own problems by not doing anything about their own peoples behavior.

I think many Gays are not even Gay. They are just antisocial nuts wanting attention. Those of you who are normal people who happen to be Gay, you need to speak up and do something about disassociating yourself with the nutty crowd. Then you may have some success.

That crowd running out of those bars, drunk and violent and threatening that church group is what people think you are. Are you? If not do something about it. That little display turned even more people against you. Its your own damn fault.

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I think in some instances they do work. Does anyone remember the Dr. Laura boycott? It was rather successful. Her Television show didn't last very long due to major advertisers pulling out.

For a community so desperately seeking acceptance for their beliefs, feelings, and rights they sure do seem hypocritical. People who are opposed to gay marriage should have that right without being demonized, just as people who are pro gay marriage should. I certainly think that the gay community's recent actions will only be detrimental to their cause. Their recent actions are getting me fairly irritated, and I couldn't have cared less if they were allowed to be married.

reply to post by TERAKO68

Wow, I don't know how I feel about this...I am gay and I certainly don't want my money going to companies that supported Prop 8, but they should probably amend the list to only include companies who directly donated money. I will not boycott companies for the personal donations of its employees.

to you for being so rational on this. I know it's been a highly emotional topic on both sides. I agree that companies should not be punished for the individual action of it's employees. I think that is taking things way too far and could open the door to a lot of lawsuits as well.

Jemison

reply to post by Raustin


What would you have us do? Continue to give money to companies that are going to turn around and use it against us?

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
Can you imagine if religious people boycotted establishments that have gays working in them that donate to gay rights causes? Gay activist would not be happy about that, so I don’t see why any are condoning these actions. This is not right.

Late Response

This actually happens quite often depending on where you are at. BMW when they established in South Carolina had a huge mess dealing with churches over their tax incentives to locate here because they were the first company in South Carolina that listed sexual orientation as a protected class.

At the same time they (churches) defended the rights of "The Redneck Shop" in Greer for selling KKK memorabilia which included copies of old photos of blacks being hanged in photo frames and anti-gay memorabilia.

For many years the Southern Baptists here were boycotting Disney for offering benefits to gay couples. Some still do even though the official boycott died.

Also coming from a point of view in South Carolina where employees also will at times raise a stink at times if they have to work with a gay person. One such case was a security guard in Mauldin. His partner brought him lunch to work everyday. He was fired for this because his co-workers were offended even though their wives and girlfriends brought them food.

When applying for jobs in the area as well you might get a straight up question of sexual orientation when applying for a job. Most of the time when you get this question you will never work at the place.

I also had a friend report back to me when I applied for a management position for a company I worked for before that the reason I did not get the position wasn't from qualifications.

Some knew I was gay and they didn't want the image of being pro-gay. Some of the people on the board's panel were overheard as saying, " We don't want a fag as management". My friend Holly whom was on the board was dumbfounded as she encouraged me to apply. Luckily she also recommended me to their main competitor when she jumped ship.

I would like an option to boycott the anti-gay businesses in the area however, I am in South Carolina and that would be like boycotting the air.

Peace and Blessings.





[edit on 2/12/2008 by toochaos4u]

[edit on 2/12/2008 by toochaos4u]

reply to post by Raustin

For a community so desperately seeking acceptance for their beliefs, feelings, and rights they sure do seem hypocritical.

Hm, maybe this is because they are dealing with hypocrites? The Mormons who mainly fueled the prop 8 campaign with money are a pretty big group of hypocrites. That's pretty much a human condition, it festers in gays and straights. The question is do either get to judge the other or be judged more harshly for a human condition? I think it's best to judge ourselves, we are all guilty.

I don't think a company can be blamed for the actions or choices of its employees either. But it would be interesting to see what the companies have said in response.

If I were the head of a company and discovered that a few of my employees had donated to this, I would feel obliged to make sure that people knew what the stance of the company was.

While it is not wise to involve your business in politics of any kind, I would still feel obliged to renew and publicize (at least for employees) the opinion of the company to support equality across the board.

It doesn't have to be a defensive move, just a reminder of what a company stands for among its employees.

This is the first I heard of this particular groups economic manipulation of the democratic process and therefore is responsible for politicians betraying segments of their own constituents to deprive them of their constitutional rights.
Its infuriating. It also proves that politicians are so easily bought off. How sickening.