Global Warming - NASA Scientist Dr. Hansen caught again

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I for one did not know that this had happened. This is Gore's pet global warming gloom and doom prophet again being caught passing off bad data and when caught, they try to cover it up.

www.telegraph.co.uk.../opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml

If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.

Well I for one dont need a degree to know when its hot outside or a degree to see huge chunks of ice breaking away from the icecaps in the arctic.

If there is a problem, do you honestly think that they are going to outright say there is a problem and take a chance of causing a major wreck in the markets and cause chaos???

Cheers!!!!

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Uhh... the polar ice caps have been melting and the ice is almost gone. Why do you think global warming is a fraud and that they won't tell us the news? Global warming has been in the news for like at least the last 3 years. They have been telling us the problems.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by RFBurns

 

Uhh... the polar ice caps have been melting and the ice is almost gone. Why do you think global warming is a fraud and that they won't tell us the news? Global warming has been in the news for like at least the last 3 years. They have been telling us the problems.

ice caps melting?...eh?

gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...

these people only tell us what fits into their scam...such as some glaciers shrinking....they dont tell us some are getting larger..all over the world..

please people...dont blindly believe what the authorities tell us...dont believe what the media tells us...look for yourself..its dead easy..

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Well, they could be lying to us about the the temperature trends but they also could be lying about the ice caps extension...

In any case I don't think that it would be a bad thing to start reducing pollution and over exploitation in our world, global warming or not !!

Originally posted by Maxit
reply to post by alienesque

 

Well, they could be lying to us about the the temperature trends but they also could be lying about the ice caps extension...

In any case I don't think that it would be a bad thing to start reducing pollution and over exploitation in our world, global warming or not !!

absolutely...nothing wrong with reducing pollution..the thing is..the governments dont want to do that because they know global warming is not man made...what they DO want is to make us pay more taxes and saying we have to to save the planet..

can you tell me why...if the world is at danger...the US government does nothing for years to reduce pollution?..

why did the german chancellor vote against a move recently to force car manufacturers make less polluting cars?..do you really believe if the world was in serious danger she would think the german economy is more important?

why is the world grabbing all of chinas cheap goods.. fueling its filthy power stations?..are cheap goods more important that our planet?

people should stop believing what politicians say and start noticing what they actually do..

k I major in physics so this in no way makes me an expert or anything, but I know enough about global warming to say that it is 99.9 percent NOT man made. Besides are we really warming? Not a chance, just getting bigger swings in temperature and anyone living up north will see just how cold it will get this winter.

The real reason for global warming has almost nothing to do with pollution, it's all about the sun. When the earth gets directly in the path of a sunspot, we get record highs, when we aren't, record lows. Right now the sun is going berserk with unpredictable sunspots and even pole reversal is starting to show in the sun. like i said the current temperature differences are 99.9% NOT man made.

Originally posted by salty-red
k I major in physics so this in no way makes me an expert or anything, but I know enough about global warming to say that it is 99.9 percent NOT man made. Besides are we really warming? Not a chance, just getting bigger swings in temperature and anyone living up north will see just how cold it will get this winter.

The real reason for global warming has almost nothing to do with pollution, it's all about the sun. When the earth gets directly in the path of a sunspot, we get record highs, when we aren't, record lows. Right now the sun is going berserk with unpredictable sunspots and even pole reversal is starting to show in the sun. like i said the current temperature differences are 99.9% NOT man made.

You are 99.9% wrong. The sun is at solar minimum. There are none or hardly any sun spots at the moment. This year was the second highest year for summer ice melts in the Arctic, go figure hey, all in solar minimum with no sunpots. Physics you say, 99.9 percent Not man mde yoy say, its the sun you say. LOL i say. Look at the sun if you want to be 99.9% sure that you have any idea what you are talking about.
SOHO

Originally posted by atlasastro

Originally posted by salty-red
k I major in physics so this in no way makes me an expert or anything, but I know enough about global warming to say that it is 99.9 percent NOT man made. Besides are we really warming? Not a chance, just getting bigger swings in temperature and anyone living up north will see just how cold it will get this winter.

The real reason for global warming has almost nothing to do with pollution, it's all about the sun. When the earth gets directly in the path of a sunspot, we get record highs, when we aren't, record lows. Right now the sun is going berserk with unpredictable sunspots and even pole reversal is starting to show in the sun. like i said the current temperature differences are 99.9% NOT man made.

You are 99.9% wrong. The sun is at solar minimum. There are none or hardly any sun spots at the moment. This year was the second highest year for summer ice melts in the Arctic, go figure hey, all in solar minimum with no sunpots. Physics you say, 99.9 percent Not man mde yoy say, its the sun you say. LOL i say. Look at the sun if you want to be 99.9% sure that you have any idea what you are talking about.
SOHO

why dont the governments do anything about it then?

The global warming is very real and it is caused by humans. There is a solar minimum now and we should be well on our way into a mini ice age but we managed to delay that with global warming. However, that does not mean we will escape the ice age, it will be here very soon, by 2030 or earlier. I live in a country with many glaciers and we have seen a dramatic change in the glaciers for the past 20 years and you will hear the same story from other people living close the Antarctic on the southern hemisphere.

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see the connection between CO2 in the air and global temperatures.

Originally posted by Waldy
The global warming is very real and it is caused by humans. There is a solar minimum now and we should be well on our way into a mini ice age but we managed to delay that with global warming. However, that does not mean we will escape the ice age, it will be here very soon, by 2030 or earlier. I live in a country with many glaciers and we have seen a dramatic change in the glaciers for the past 20 years and you will hear the same story from other people living close the Antarctic on the southern hemisphere.

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see the connection between CO2 in the air and global temperatures.

www.niwa.cri.nz...

newsbusters.org...

www.sitnews.us...

www.heartland.org...

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Well, if you buy into catchy headlines in the media then you really are gullable. Think big, take 50 year average. Of course the glaciers have good years and bad years but in the end they are shrinking!

You give us a chart by Dr Hanson to prove global warming is real.
and it is based on data that he has corrected

He has been caught doctoring data repeatedly
www.climateaudit.org...
It will take about two days to read all they have on how his data is altered to fit what he wants people to believe.

For doctor hanson global warming has been money making to say the least.

He gets 4 to 5 million dollars in grants, awards, lecture fees and speaking fees a years on top of his NASA wages.
He is so busy i can not tell where he gets time to work for NASA.

Would you not keep up the scam for that type of money.

Originally posted by Waldy
The global warming is very real and it is caused by humans. There is a solar minimum now and we should be well on our way into a mini ice age but we managed to delay that with global warming. However, that does not mean we will escape the ice age, it will be here very soon, by 2030 or earlier. I live in a country with many glaciers and we have seen a dramatic change in the glaciers for the past 20 years and you will hear the same story from other people living close the Antarctic on the southern hemisphere.

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see the connection between CO2 in the air and global temperatures.

www.theregister.co.uk...

nasa bends data..thats the subject of this thread..

the one big problem with global warming is that the globe isnt getting warmer..

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Originally posted by ANNED
You give us a chart by Dr Hanson to prove global warming is real.
and it is based on data that he has corrected

He has been caught doctoring data repeatedly
www.climateaudit.org...
It will take about two days to read all they have on how his data is altered to fit what he wants people to believe.

For doctor hanson global warming has been money making to say the least.

He gets 4 to 5 million dollars in grants, awards, lecture fees and speaking fees a years on top of his NASA wages.
He is so busy i can not tell where he gets time to work for NASA.

Would you not keep up the scam for that type of money.

Well, who is paying your source hey.

]McIntyre does not have an advanced degree and has published two articles in the journal Energy and Environment, which has become a venue for skeptics and is not carried in the ISI listing of peer-reviewed journals.[2] McIntyre was also exposed for having unreported ties to CGX Energy, Inc., an oil and gas exploration company, which listed McIntyre as a "strategic advisor." [3]

Lets see how this follow the money game really works. You have an attack on a subject by an old miner on a scientist, you question that scientists motives, accuse him of only being in it for the money.....but you fail to mention that your source IS A BLOG, by a MINNING CONSULTANT, who works for OIL and GAS. wow, how original.
SourceWatch

My, My , My, please tell me you have more than just a years old attack on the Mann Graph and a couple of opinion pieces that debunk the entire GW theory. Please. This is about the Fiftieth time I've seen this here. You must have something else beside Blogs, Think Tank pieces and MSM opinion pieces.

It might also be worth noting that the anomoly that Steve found in the Goddard readings, only relate to the USA, not the GLOBE. It 2007 it was being reported that the readings were wrong and that GW was not happening. The Hotests year on record, and the hotest decade for the USA was in the 1939, and the decade around that, but the Global readings are different. Its funny how people forget to mention that. Especially those linking Steves Blog. Gotta love the way things spin....on both sides, admittedly.

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Ok, check out this graph, its CO2 levels for the last 500 MILLION years.





I know you dont think Dr. Hansen is credible even though he is a top notch scientist, but do you think all scientists are on the payroll?

Edit for source: Atmospheric CO2 levels for the past 500 million years

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Waldy]

Originally posted by Waldy
reply to post by ANNED

 

Ok, check out this graph, its CO2 levels for the last 500 MILLION years.





I know you dont think Dr. Hansen is credible even though he is a top notch scientist, but do you think all scientists are on the payroll?

Edit for source: Atmospheric CO2 levels for the past 500 million years

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Waldy]

of course theres more co2 in the atmosphere now...comes from cars and power stations and aeroplanes..

funny really....all things the governments are saying we need more of...

why..if these things will cause the earth to become uninhabitable...is..for instance...every little area of germany where i live getting its own airport?..it seems just recently theres an airport being built in every little town..

[edit on 17-11-2008 by alienesque]

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Ok you at least admit that much, but why not admit the connection between it and global temperatures rising in the past 60 years?

Why are the governments not doing anything? Well, they are doing as much as they can, remember Kyoto? Doing is just never as simple as saying. but steps are being taken and there already has been made significant progress.

I suggest you read this for more information: International Efforts to counter Global Warming

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One i know you did not read the link i posted because you did not have time that means you are ether a tree-hugger that ignores any other evidence that you do not agree with.
Or you don't try to research global warming you blindly attack anyone that you don't agree with.

Try to tell me differently



I posted at 17-05-2008 05:26 AM
you posted on 17-11-2008 at 06:29 AM

You had time to read over 300 pages o document i a hour

Wow you are ether the worlds fastest reader or a tree hugger that never read anything but the first page before attacking my evidence.

You give us a chart by Dr Hanson to prove global warming is real.
and it is based on data that he has corrected ie changed to suit his views,

First if you had read the site you would find that www.climateaudit.org. is not a blog but a long document of data that comes from Dr Hanson and what the data was when it came from other government sites.before Dr Hanson got to it.

Just because someone builds there site in blog style format does not means it is just a blog.

I will leave it to others to see what you really are all they have to do is look at your post and the timing and you are busted as a tree-hugger plain and simple.

You did not and could not have read the climateaudit site admit it
you are a tree hugger and you will attack any one that disagrees with you.
that gives you away as a dunce.

That all treehuggers have is blatant attacks on anyone that challenges your pet with nothing real to back you up.

I just love to get under the skin of treehuggers.

Dr Hanson is not even a climatologist
all the treehuggers claim the any scientist that is not a climatologist are not qualified to give there views on global warming except if they are Dr Hanson.
www.giss.nasa.gov...

www.heartland.org...
www.sitewave.net...
www.delawareonline.com.../20070201/NEWS/702010363/1006/NEWS
www.enterstageright.com...
www.dakotavoice.com...
media.www.vainformer.com... g.At.Wm-3386341.shtml
www.globalwarmingheartland.org...
www.catostore.org...
www.global-warming-and-the-climate.com...
www.iceagenow.com...


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[edit on 17-11-2008 by ANNED]

These are the type of disagreements that no one will ever change their mind over until years later when things can be experienced by the individual.

I can remember when the planet was cooling according to many scientist. This was based on several years of record cold and snow fall in many parts of the world. Of course millions were spent by different groups to examine the consequences of a cooler planet.

Now, the new funding catch phrase has been Global Warming, for the last several years. Millions have been replaced by billions of dollars.

I'm not a scientists, I have some college but did not graduate. I not a stupid person but am ignorant in some fields. But one thing I noticed about those nice charts everyone seem to post and then re-post. The results are all over the place including a time frame that mankind didn't even exist in our current form. Unless someone is telling me mankind has an industrial based society dumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, we should explore the 500,000,000 year chart one more time.

Far be it from me to say a scientist is wrong, but the recent world wide weather is heading the wrong way for global warming. Too many places are receiving record cold spells and snow fall. It seems to be more than just a short term trend.