The Religion Of UFO/ALIENS!

Why is it all UFO enthusiasts seem to think like Religous Fanatics?

At the moment there is NO scientific Proof for UFO, either pics, physical evidence or implants ect. But people choose to BELIEVE in ufo's and there FAITH tells them its true and they will not be swayed on this belief.

Is it atall possible that the recent hype over the 14th of october was just a plan all along to discoiurage people from believing in aliens beings and that we are being visited by them because i think im right in saying that since nothing happeneed on the 14th alot of people have now lost some faith in the existence of aliens.

i for one still have my faith well and truly in the existence of them infact im sure they exist and noone can change that but it cant be said for some people i know who have now lost faith in them completely and im wondering have some of you now lost faith in other beings not from this world or is it possible that it was a plan all along.

It's not so much the content. It's not that at all. It's the way the subject is being treated. I believe the British PTB are leading the way for disclosure as a prelude to the U.S. PTB making their disclosure

I don't really know what to think about this video. My instinct is telling me that this is one is real as my heart chakra seems to be quite active which watching this. It looks as though one of them has got stuck on an electric fence somehow and the others all seem to have been frozen. What's you take on this guys?

What about the cases reported before we had advanced military technology?

What about the cases reported in ancient times?

The cave drawings of small people w/ bubble-shaped helmets on?

What about Ezekiel's UFO sighting?

What about the drawings of strange craft over the skies of renaissance Europe when no such machine should have/did exist?

What about the Dogon people and their knowledge of astronomical data they should never have known?

I find people using all sorts of already discounted storys on this website and throw examples from some really dodgy sources. I mean Ezekial from the bible - give me strength!

I for one would love to belive but until its SCIENTIFICALLY prooven its nothing but speculation. If anybody here has one shred of Real proof that UFO's exist (maybe a clear pic or piece of flying saucer or a real Implant) and won't try and hide behind smoke and mirrors please stand up!

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I for one would love to belive but until its SCIENTIFICALLY prooven its nothing but speculation. If anybody here has one shred of Real proof that UFO's exist (maybe a clear pic or piece of flying saucer or a real Implant) and won't try and hide behind smoke and mirrors please stand up!

It sounds as if you are the one with the analogies of belief problems.
We are all pretty much free thinker's and so should it be, there is nothing you had stated that wasn't or isn't short of a blatant pie to the face statement.
If you are going to deny that the Govs around the world have not tried to cover up a "Conspiracy" to the UFO topic, you have to be darn near legally blind, or terribly arrogant of the facts that have been presented throughout history, and I mean "Throughout History".
This is not something that has just be going on for the last 75 years or so, it has been reported and documented by people through time, though their descriptions are related to what they are familiar with, ie. Chariot Wheel, Angels of Fire, Chariots of Fire and so on.
I am a firm believer in the existence of living being's visiting our planet on a regular basis, and as for the religious respect you spoke of, "I am atheist and have no belief in such enigmas of fascination."
So, you see, it is up to the individual and up to the people that chose to lean one way or the other, after all, "You show me one bit of evidence that supports the basis of the bible being anything but fictional rather than factual?"

Its just to big not to. Right?

If we find out that our universe is a multiverse or even infinite then that would mean that ALL possiblities fall along both time... and space. Its happening somewhere... and it could or has happend right where you are.

It seems to me that humans can religiofiy anything, if Aliens are out there messing with us then that pretty much means that the whole Jesus /Allah/ Jehovah thing is a fiction, so taking away the dis proven religion creates a vacuum ,this is filled with Alien contact and then like the other religion needed information being lacking ,we make stuff up!

We really seem to need to think that we have a big benevolent ally in the sky

I do not know why I don't have this ,but I do know that it is a panhuman trait

I am on the fence about aliens and their influence on humanity ,what I do know is if they show up openly I won't be worshiping them

there is a large chance depending on how it plays out that I shall be killing them
and stealing their stuff

OK.

So theres no physical proof that can be shown.
However, I know what I've experienced. And that is proof enough for me.

Just because I didn't take a photo doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I've seen aliens first hand, and seem to regularly spot craft in the skies.

But I don't own a decent camera, can't afford to buy one, and can't be bothered trying to convince a load of closed-minded ignorant people to open their minds for 5 minutes.

I know. I don't care if they do or not, their own fault if anything significant comes of it in our lifetimes.

Invisiblewoman:

so taking away the dis proven religion creates a vacuum ,this is filled with Alien contact

I really don't know how you came to that conclusion, that is a real "Brain Numb" for thought.
I don't believe in a omnipotent creator, so I tend to have a belief in something else other worldly?
You should be in my shoes right now....RTFLOL

and then like the other religion needed information being lacking ,we make stuff up!

And, even though I have had a genuine sighting of a UFO I know become delusional with impractical hallucinations of alien craft from other worldly places as well?
Oh, and if that was not enough, I share my stories of sightings to be ridiculed by some one who has never had the experience brought forth by my initial sightings and that is where and why I would of made this all up, to fill some vacuum , as you had stated, with something other than religion?........

Giving credit where credit is do is one thing, but making your self indulged analogies for to better allow "Yourself" to accept thing's as they are? You have got to tell me how you ever came to this conclusion for the multitudes of individuals that have had out right true experiences with the UFO phenomenon and why your assessment is so "Correct".

oh take it easy Allred5923

I'm only speaking in generalities about the religion thing ,not about you or your experiences

I have seen strange craft I guess UFOs,I posted about this

I and my husband and two of our co workers saw one in broad daylight on a clear day right above the city about 4 months ago

guess what no picture I don't know what I was thinking , I also don't know if they came from another planet

I just don't know


and taking away one religion and replacing it with another has been going on since the dawn of time

Unless you know some devout followers of Zeus or Chac or Lugh or Baal

UFOs definitely exist. It would be uninformed to say they're not real. Radar data and witness testimonies prove that they exist. It's just that no one can identify them. Remember that UFO means "Unidentified Flying Object". They could be alien ships or secret aircraft. Aliens are a bit different. There's no scientific proof that they exist (or there's proof that the public doesn't know about), but it's very likely that extraterrestrial life is out there somewhere.

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me too yeahright , I've seen some unexplainable stuff and lots of it

I don't know what it is,could be visitors from another somewhere ,could be from right here ,I know they aren't ordinary aircraft ,but what they actually are is anyone's guess and a guess just won't cut it for me

I require a craft I can examine ,an occupant, something , until that happens ,I wait,and wonder

Originally posted by oinkment
Why is it all UFO enthusiasts seem to think like Religous Fanatics?

At the moment there is NO scientific Proof for UFO, either pics, physical evidence or implants ect. But people choose to BELIEVE in ufo's and there FAITH tells them its true and they will not be swayed on this belief.

I find people using all sorts of already discounted storys on this website and throw examples from some really dodgy sources. I mean Ezekial from the bible - give me strength!

I for one would love to belive but until its SCIENTIFICALLY prooven its nothing but speculation. If anybody here has one shred of Real proof that UFO's exist (maybe a clear pic or piece of flying saucer or a real Implant) and won't try and hide behind smoke and mirrors please stand up!

Shhhhh. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Some of us here are starting to realize that WE don't exist.

Getsmart

The OP is right when you examine the comparisons. Lets take xtians versus atheists


Christians think atheists are fools for not believing in God
Christians verbally berate atheists in debates and conversations and have a sort of dislike for them

Christians cant be phased by any rational argument, to them its BS


UFO believers:
UFO believers think skeptics are fools for not believing the big parts of the phenomenon saying youd have to be an idiot not to see it

UFO believers I have seen berate skeptics as close minded and foolish etc, even though there isnt proof

UFO believers will call alot of arguments to the contrary government conspiracy or otherwise.

If we elevate them to the status of Gods, worship them and whatever else; that sounds to me like reason not to contact us. If you were one of them looking in; would you want to converse with annoying, ignorant creatures who don't understand you so they assume you're a God OR an equal in which to learn from and in exchange, teach?

I'd rather make friends than babysit, so I await their friendship

I see the correlation, when you have a big following of those who believe and those who don't your bound to get something along the lines of this.

On a side note there may not be 100% proof, but I've had my experiences and the loss of some things in the process (To this date I haven't been able to find yet). So that's pretty much my proof for myself.

Naval FC is right on the nail with what I was trying to portray in my original post.

I am making direct Comparisons with Religous "memes" and the Ufology/Ufofanatic meme. You can see from some of the answers in this post where some people have thier views.

So theres no physical proof that can be shown.
However, I know what I've experienced. And that is proof enough for me.
Just because I didn't take a photo doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I've seen aliens first hand, and seem to regularly spot craft in the skies.
But I don't own a decent camera, can't afford to buy one, and can't be bothered trying to convince a load of closed-minded ignorant people to open their minds for 5 minutes. I know. I don't care if they do or not, their own fault if anything significant comes of it in our lifetimes.

That's a pretty close-minded response - surely if you were seeing things as regulary as you claim then why not share it properly. I could easily claim that I knew a two headed purple talking elephant but didnt want to show anyone any evidence becuase he was shy or i was scared he would be carted off for experimentation.
Do you believe me or do you need more substantial proof?

Also to make things a little clearer - I am not attacking UFO's, I am very interested in the subject but I don't think they are out-worldly. What I am attacking is the unusual claims, the Reptillians, the anal probings, dodgy abduction storys, worldwide goverment conspiracy on disclosure and similar claims. It seems that some people have more interest in confusion than scientific reasoniong, also they make a living from it which is frankly outragous!

[edit on 17-11-2008 by oinkment]

Ok invisiblewoman, "I'll take it easy."
But, with all the efforts of bashing the atheistic people of this forum has left a bad taste in my mouth, it is always a individuals point of views that tends to get things started and basically leaving the odd-man-out feeling when it comes to intellectual and insightful conversation for someone who feels that there is some unwavering deity that has too control our fates as we live our daily lives. Guess you could say "I don't where a tin-foil hat."
If that is explanation enough.

I am glad to hear that you have had experiences though with "Possible" UFO sighting's, and with wittnesses none the less! That is what I was trying to get across when I had posted my reply to you, didn't mean to ruffle feather's or rub you the wrong way, just wanted to justify my way of life for exactly what it is, "My way of life." Nothing more and nothing less.
No god to believe in, never ever seen a God for that matter, and for the belief acceptance of other worldly being's? Well, seen quite a few UFO's in my time. Which gives it more credibility to me on a physical and scientific basis.

"Cheer's Invisiblewoman!!"

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We're on the same page Allred5923! I'm an atheist not because I hate the idea of God just because like Aliens ,I 've no proof of of one

anyway I friended you !

RELIGON is a human need.We need to be a part of a group.We need to co-operatively create a future and we need each other to accomplish this.All religons are "right" for an individual seeking a group dynamic that will fullfill the human need to co-operate.We havent seen a religon practiced on our planet yet that encompasses the needs of all humans only small special interest groups [compared to our entire species several million people of one religon could be considered a small special interest group].The internet was not a random occurance ,it is a method for all humanity to express of fulfill their need to be a part of a co-operative effort or future.Whgy doesnt someone at ATS start a thread that asks everyone to begin contributing the names of every human being on earth and the dates they die,we all are born with a voice and the internet is the only venue that is more powerful than the social structures and beliefs that keep us apart and unknown to each other.The more we become aware of each other the greater our sense of responsibility to each other will be,and the result of shared responsibility for humanity is a better world for us all.Religon will always be a need for us as humans,it will never go away or disappear, the genetic blueprint of our DNA will not replace the need for religon,the discovery of an"alien" species will not negate our need for religon,IT IS A NEED NOT A BELIEF ,if we never aknowledge this need we will continue to view it as a choice which will in turn give us the wrong belief that we have a right to defend our choice with violence .This is why there are religous wars ,a mistaken belief that religon is a choice that can be made by an individual WITHOUT CONSIDERING ALL OF OUR SPECIES NEEDS AS A WHOLE. If we considered these humanitarian needs as much as we consider our own individual rights there would be absolutely no place for war or violence and there would be so much work to do to help each other we wouldnt have the resources to make war.Mathematics will give you the answers we all seek.Someone please solve the logistical questions that would come up if we simply wanted to feed the whole planet every day.DONT FORGET THAT UNTILL WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHO IS ALIVE ON OUR PLANET WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE MAKE ANY DECISIONS AT ALL, WE NEED TO READ THOSE NAMES HEAR THEIR VOICES AND MAKE THEM A REALITY BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MORE DECISIONS.This is our achillies heel ,our inability to communicate with each other,hence the internet,hence we need to come together as a whole of humanity and begin to recognise that the barriers to total and open recognition of every human voice on our planet are the true challenges we face..Coincidentally I was abducted by blonde humans with funny little helpers I couldnt identify and the experiance has left me with a clear feeling of why religon is a need we must fulfill on a global,every-humans voice heard scale,that feeling stems from the fact they were human and they needed me ,they expressed need through their actions of abducting me,and intelligent need is excatly what makes us human and is a commonality we share.If we all sing the same song of shared responsibility on our planet there is no power great enough to stop our species from continueing to exist and grow.There is no alien or any other power that is greater than we are on this planet!!The earth is ours and by ours I mean all those who sing the same song ,alien ,human or otherwise,all of the lifeforms on our planet will fall under our stewardship if we could sing together.Faith,belief,hope,future,destiny,fate we control them all we just need to be on the same page singing the same song.I cant say if I am afraid of my abductors or not they are like a natural occurance to me they DO NOT CONTROL MY OR OUR FUTURES THEY ARE AS MUCH A PUPPET IN THE PLAY AS I AM, until there is a global voice on our planet and then they will seek out the comfort of the song,religon,belief call it what you need to. US,ONE SONG,ONE EARTH

If its all right, or correct or whatever. I don't care.

This is a hard one, especially about "God". In my own words. All these people who call themselves followers of God, are simply using his name for their own gains. Jesus (If he even existed) stated not to bow down to him, but his father, and God does not want any of his people killed, or harm brought to them. So why on earth does religions go against nearly everything they teach. I'm not an Atheist or any part of religious stuff... but Jehovah witness's seem to follow almost all of what God/Jesus states, unlike the rest that go against Gods wishes. Jihads, crusades, floggings...Woah! God wants peace, wants all of mankind to unite under one. Anyway... I'm sure someone can argue with this, again... I said this aint an easy topic to discuss. The bible was wrote by man, and people took advantage of it. In the times of darkness, when people needed a roof over there heads and food on the table, this religion plague took over the minds of everyone because humanity all want to believe in something higher than them(yourself).

Originally posted by Starance

If its all right, or correct or whatever. I don't care.

This is a hard one, especially about "God". In my own words. All these people who call themselves followers of God, are simply using his name for their own gains. Jesus (If he even existed) stated not to bow down to him, but his father, and God does not want any of his people killed, or harm brought to them. So why on earth does religions go against nearly everything they teach. I'm not an Atheist or any part of religious stuff... but Jehovah witness's seem to follow almost all of what God/Jesus states, unlike the rest that go against Gods wishes. Jihads, crusades, floggings...Woah! God wants peace, wants all of mankind to unite under one. Anyway... I'm sure someone can argue with this, again... I said this aint an easy topic to discuss. The bible was wrote by man, and people took advantage of it. In the times of darkness, when people needed a roof over there heads and food on the table, this religion plague took over the minds of everyone because humanity all want to believe in something higher than them(yourself).

way off posted topic, but do see what you mean. I feel that thier have been Aliens visiting the earth way before the advent of omnipotent creator belief systems or any other belief system reffering to an entity or deity of a higher existance.

Not to sway the multitudes, but there have been pictographs as far back as Cambrien(SP?) man and very little mentioned about any religions of that time, which, in turn, says a lot about what came first "The Alien or Religion" questions. IMHO...