Evidence for Creation Video

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Covers the biblical creation account with some scientific findings. I watched this a while ago and I must say it's very informative. Great for beginners interested in biblical creation.

Out of fifty-seven minutes this man gave two pieces of evidence, one of which (the genetic "eve" hypothesis) was presented completely inaccurately.

The mitochondrial "eve" refers not to a single woman, but rather a group of ancestors. Plus, he only mentioned the study that happens to be twenty years old. I can tell you for a fact that there is no way that every modern human on this planet came from one woman and one man......genetic material would've gone right down the toilet. I mean, we don't attempt to reproduce with our brothers and sisters do we? Exactly.

I find it a little amusing that this guy didn't bother disproving early human evolution. I guess a few million years worth of evidence in bones is just too much!

I listened to the first 5 minutes, was not impressed. Scanned through to the middle for a minute or two, was not impressed.

Sorry-- I just don't dig the whole creationist angle.

I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for posting it. It's funny...no matter how much evidence is presented, evolutionists will never change their minds...not until Christ returns, then it will be too late....

Another thing about evolutionists is they forget one crucial and fundamental part of science...it has to be observable and repeatable to become fact!!! I don't think anyone is alive that has observed humans evolving from anything.

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I don't think anyone is alive that has observed humans evolving from anything.

You just got home. You walked in your room to find your window broken and a baseball ball on the floor. What would your conclusion be? You didn't observe it happening.

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Evolution is fact.

There is no evidence of a creator.

The multiverse theory is actually a theory, whereas creationism is a belief with not even a shred of evidence.

Go and peddle your rubbish elsewhere.

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True, but we've observed species change into other species in the lab, so yes - it's directly observable. The evolution of humans is observable, just not directly. Your understanding of science is quite flawed in that aspect. May I suggest you read this article - it will fill in the blanks you so obviously have.

Originally posted by mytquin
It's funny...no matter how much evidence is presented, evolutionists will never change their minds...

until there presented with real evidence not just bad science and crazyness thats already been disproved ..

if jesus did come back then at least that would prove somthing

Another thing about evolutionists is they forget one crucial and fundamental part of science...it has to be observable and repeatable to become fact!!! I don't think anyone is alive that has observed humans evolving from anything.

ever observed the fuel igniting inside your cars pistons?

i guess it works by magic then if only it were magic enough to fly so you could avoid traffic huh


now thats classic, you dont have to a sceintist and know the answers its ok to be dumb and not learn as long as you go ask your priest instead.....

the vast majority of educated people in the western world has not HEARD the message ............ wonder why .....

he was on a plane at a university in a lecture on evolution and geology() where the Athiest (wait didnt you say he was a theologist ...) was discussing everything christinaity not evolution or geology... i think he's a little confused



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Let me remind you of something St. Augustine said:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

I could pretty much underline the whole thing - he's right on the money.

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I agree with your statements 100% but I can't go along with the few millions years of bones either but I will discuss this on another thread later on and give in detail why not and the argument behind my reasons for puting thoes bones in their context,

Don't you just love to see self professing christians I refer to the video, using incorrect statements to put up an argument.


The book of Genesis in the bible is only one example of what is known as "The Genesis books", others being called "The Adam Books" and another book known as "The little Genesis".

All are contained within Hebrew Libraries.

In most of these writings A'Dam is mentioned in the Plural sense and Not the Singular!

I hope the guest and members who watched it learned something. As far as i'm concerned evolution was disproved long ago. I wish Christians would stop even discussing it. We don't need to disprove evolution once again in order for the creation truth to stand.

Genesis and Geology
www.youtube.com...

Before this debate descends into the usual farce....

Seems to me the problem with any debate on this subject is the presumption on both sides that they are correct and must be proven to be wrong. So those who believe in creation will state until they are blue in the face that the evidence presented to them is insufficient to disprove their own beliefs, while evolutionists like myself will say the same thing back.

I don't particularly have any beef with creationist theories except for the distinction between my own view and theirs. This video purports to provide evidence but in my view actually provides only belief and faith. Though I too have a faith of sorts, it is insufficient to override my satisfaction with the evidence I have seen and studied that supports evolution. Nothing in this video did anything to change that point of view - but thanks for posting it.

LW

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Evolution wasn't disproved. Every single discovery since Darwin's theory was first published has only gone on to demonstrate Darwin was right. The theory has been refined over the years, and since humanity discovered DNA (which fit perfectly into the theory) the amount of evidence for the theory is massive. Absolutely massive.

If you don't want to believe the evidence or theory - fine. Just don't lie to us - and yourself - and say you are doing it because it's factually wrong, as that is about as irrational as you can get. It looks like your faith has blinded you to rational thought. If you read what I posted here, you'll see it's perfectly OK for a Christian to learn from science. Heck - you're using a computer right now, aren't you? They only work because of the scientific method.

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Originally posted by masterweb
I hope the guest and members who watched it learned something. As far as i'm concerned evolution was disproved long ago. I wish Christians would stop even discussing it. We don't need to disprove evolution once again in order for the creation truth to stand.

Genesis and Geology
www.youtube.com...

If by what you mean by Evolution, you mean the strawman version given by snake oil salesmen like Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, and Ray Comfort or the actual scientific theory of evolution? The one Hovind gives has as many holes in it as Noah's Ark would have had when the woodpeckers and termites were threw with it.

Evolution itself is a scientific fact. Allele frequencies change over time, turning genes on and off, giving new traits and taking others away.

The theory of Evolution is the explaination of the mechanics of that process.

Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
The one Hovind gives has as many holes in it as Noah's Ark would have had when the woodpeckers and termites were threw with it.

your sarcasm gets me every time star for comedy value

i cant give you another for the rest of the posts contents though for 1 simple reason


and thats cause it wont let me

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Thanks. You've got some good stuff yourself.

Originally posted by masterweb
I hope the guest and members who watched it learned something. As far as i'm concerned evolution was disproved long ago. I wish Christians would stop even discussing it. We don't need to disprove evolution once again in order for the creation truth to stand.

First of all, science never claims to prove or disprove any theory, and it uses actual, verifiable, empirical evidence. Religious fanatics such as yourself have no right to claim "proof" of anything, as you don't even require evidence to believe the most ridiculous of claims.

Biblical creationism has been demonstrated, over and over again (even by Christians such as Kenneth Miller) to be just plain wrong.

There is no "creation truth." Every argument maintained by creationists is an argument from ignorance, and every reference you make to these assertions shows how little you know about the theory of evolution.

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I still consider myself to be a Chistian but the whole creation idea is idiotic and you have to be a special breed of moron to believe in it. God created the universe, etc and we're no better than ants, just my opinion.

First of all, there is no debate. I posted 2 videos on creation. I'm new here but I'm pretty sure there is a debate area for debates. I say evolution has been disproven for the fact that nothing can do nothing. The nothing being the "big bang". If it can be demonstrated that nothing can do something then we can talk. Until then there is still the question as to where matter came from. I say God created matter on the first day. I keep seeing people mention kent hovaind who has a large internet cult following and other people who can be seen on tel-lie-vision but I don't see any scriptures mentioned. Once you read the bible and stop relying on these peoples opinions (who often times are biblical incorrect) then you may learn what biblical creation is. No one has mentioned anything specifically mentioned in the video either. Nothing to refut it. Just rhetoric and blanket statements. If you are so content to believe in evolution or just don't believe in the biblical creation account then what's the point of continuously arguing over it? Also, you can't be a Christian if you don't believe the whole entire bible. You are fooling yourself if you think you can pick and choose what to believe in. If creation is idiotic, maybe your salvation is also. If it's a metaphor maybe your redemption in Christ Jesus is as well. I know quite a bit about evolution as well as creation, I have studied them both. Can you say the same? Or have you just watched kent videos that has formed your idea of what creation is? I doubt that if I had mentioned a disagreement with any other scientific area that people would want to fight with such religious fervor as you do with this evolution. Why is that? Darwin himself said-"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." We don't even have to go as high as an organ, we can stop at dna. Very complex! Not only that you need dna to produce dna. So there really isn't anything to debate here. If the "actual, verifiable, empirical evidence" isn't there for a theory then yes, that theory has been disproven. Don't waste our time running into every creation thread with evolution and ray comfort quotes please. Wern't not buying it. If we are lying to ourselves as you say then that's or choice and more evolution talk certainly won't change that.

Originally posted by masterweb I say evolution has been disproven for the fact that nothing can do nothing. The nothing being the "big bang". If it can be demonstrated that nothing can do something then we can talk. Until then there is still the question as to where matter came from. I say God created matter on the first day.

The Big Bang theory and Evolutionary theory are not related at all. Furthermore, even if they were, the same question of "where'd it come from?" also applies to god.

I keep seeing people mention kent hovaind who has a large internet cult following and other people who can be seen on tel-lie-vision but I don't see any scriptures mentioned. Once you read the bible and stop relying on these peoples opinions (who often times are biblical incorrect) then you may learn what biblical creation is.

I was raised a Christian and remained one until I was roughly 16 years old. I'm now a biology student. I'm very well educated about arguments on both sides.

If you are so content to believe in evolution or just don't believe in the biblical creation account then what's the point of continuously arguing over it?

Simply put, it's disappointing to see that people actually believe this stuff, despite all the evidence to the contrary. If you're so content to believe in biblical creationism, why try to find evidence to back up your claims? Isn't your faith good enough?

Also, you can't be a Christian if you don't believe the whole entire bible. You are fooling yourself if you think you can pick and choose what to believe in. If creation is idiotic, maybe your salvation is also. If it's a metaphor maybe your redemption in Christ Jesus is as well. I know quite a bit about evolution as well as creation, I have studied them both. Can you say the same? Or have you just watched kent videos that has formed your idea of what creation is?

As I've said, I was raised a Christian and for many years actually enjoyed reading the Bible. I've read the biblical creation account many times, and scientifically it is just plain wrong.

And considering you confused the theory of evolution with the Big Bang theory, I think it's kind of a stretch to claim you know "quite a bit about it." From what you've demonstrated to me, you know basically nothing about it.

I doubt that if I had mentioned a disagreement with any other scientific area that people would want to fight with such religious fervor as you do with this evolution. Why is that?

Probably because scientific "evidence" backing biblical creationism tends to be ridiculous, unsupported, and ignorant, and scientists hate to see such nonsense being propogated.

Darwin himself said-"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." We don't even have to go as high as an organ, we can stop at dna. Very complex! Not only that you need dna to produce dna.

Actually, in a 1955 experiment conducted at the University of Chicago, nucleic acids (the building blocks of DNA) were created by applying electricity to a number of compounds. The same effect could have been produced in the highly volatile environment of the Earth 3 or 4 billion years ago.

So there really isn't anything to debate here. If the "actual, verifiable, empirical evidence" isn't there for a theory then yes, that theory has been disproven.

There is actual, verifiable, empirical evidence supporting evolution, though. Speciation has been observed literally hundreds of times in peer-reviewed scientific journals. The complete (or near complete) fossil records of many species are available to show the full transition of one species to another (horses and elephants are two examples). We've even found the fused chromosome that resulted in humans having one fewer chromosome than primates!

Just because you don't know about the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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