Aliens do not exists in physical form.

Good thought, but no.
There is no reason to believe that the mechanics of evolution function completely different on other planets.

i think the primary mistake here is that many think that everything we CAN think up is not far enough from life as we know it on earth to let it be aliens. Wake up and smell the coffee, most alien life looks different but similar. Granted that sometimes things might be weird. Imagen sharing you body with an alien soul. Hmm, perhaps asking rent would help.

[edit on 16-11-2008 by AncientShade]

reply to post by Solo954


It's possible that I misunderstood what you are trying to say, so let me try to clear this up.
Are you trying to claim that no aliens exist in a physical form anywhere in our own dimension?

Originally posted by ZenThalysis
reply to post by MsSmartypants

 

The Darkness and the Light are one.

You are true. Light cannot exists without darkness and darkness cannot exists without light. At least in this realm. However you can free your mind from darkness/slavery. But you would still live in an enslaved world, I don't mean to bring faith into this, but the bible states we are born into sin. Sin being slavery.
Slavery being control from your government. Your government forces you to believe in its monetary system and ideology.

Originally posted by ashamedamerican
reply to post by Solo954

 

Are you trying to claim that no aliens exist in a physical form anywhere in our own dimension?

I'm suggesting that Aliens co exist in our current realm. But they are originally 5th dimensional beings.

There not Extra-Terrestrial Beings. They are Extra-Dimensional Beings.

Like fish and animals on this planet.

Originally posted by Solomons
higher vibration? if anything these aliens have found a way to slap two universes together,and since all atoms are linked.They probably dont need to leave their home to travel vast distances or punch through dimensions.

Higher Vibration would be your Aurora. Once peaked your Aurora is used as a conscience transportation for extra-dimensional beings or Aliens. They may travel and even communicate threw you.

Originally posted by Solo954
I'm suggesting that Aliens co exist in our current realm. But they are originally 5th dimensional beings.

There not Extra-Terrestrial Beings. They are Extra-Dimensional Beings.

Like fish and animals on this planet.

You may want to change the title of the thread, because it's misleading and going to cause you alot of headaches.
Again, I am not trolling or looking for an arguement so do not take my posts as an attack.

You may also want to rethink your arguement, let me explain why.
You are misinterpreting Sagan's example.
(which by the way, is based on an outdated theory of physics)
Just because something came here from another dimension does not mean that it does not have a phsysical form here in this one.

Just because aliens may come here from another dimension does not mean that there aren't aliens from THIS dimension as well, who would have a physical form.

There's no way for you or anyone else to know whether any alien life came from the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or any other dimension, unless they told you so.

Aliens don't "meet us half way to the 4th dimension" because for that to be true, it would mean that we would have to leave our 3 dimensional space, and enter 4 dimensional space to meet them halfway. We do not leave our 3 dimensional space, ever, period.

Fish and animals on this planet are NOT extra-dimensional beings, if you believe that they are, you need to research what it is that you are claiming.

This part will totally blow your mind you may actually be right about aliens not existing in physical form, but not for the reasons you believe.
Keep in mind that this is theoretical physics, which is why I said you may be right, then again you may not, but it's still not for the reason's that you think.

Knock on the desk your computer monitor is resting on, feels solid doesn't it?
It's not, it can not be, because it is made of billions upon billions of seperate strings, and therefore it is not solid, it is a collection of tightly packed seperate objects.

The reason that it FEELS solid is because the strings that it is made of vibrate at a different frequency than the strings that you are made of, which makes it mathematically highly improbable (although not impossible) that your hand could pass through them.

Therefore not even you and I are actually existing in a physical form, neither is your computer, your desk, the walls around you, the floor below you, etc.

I'm not trying to be a thorn in your side, or argue for the sake of arguing, but your logic is flawed, and you should research what you are talking about better before making such claims. I would advise against making claims like this if you expect to be taken seriously.

I would suggest that you watch this.
The Elegant Universe
It gives a very basic explanation of string theory and it's history, but it is at least based on a contemporary understanding of physics, not the outdated model Sagan was working from. Sagan was at least "in the ballpark" but again, you misinterpret what he is explaining.

I don't claim to be an expert on string theory, but I do know enough about it to understand that you are misinterpreting both Sagan, and string theory.

reply to post by Solo954


"Inter-dimensional Interaction for Dummies."
Brilliant!

This is so true and perfectly relates to my experiences.
I have seen numerous projections as well as some literal three-dimensional ones but the most bizarre was when I awoke paralyzed to the strangest thing standing in my room.

A vertical five-foot line!!

I never told anyone about it because it was so bizarre. The only person I mentioned this to was my wife and oddly enough she said she too had the same experience in our room.

Thank you for this.

- Lee

As I have mentioned here before, look not into outer-space but inner-space.
That is where you will find worlds.

- Lee

Originally posted by lee anoma
As I have mentioned here before, look not into outer-space but inner-space.
That is where you will find worlds.

- Lee

This is so true.

Do you all realize how much faster we as humans could all comprehend this if we were taught this in school and the people " in the know" would tell us the damn truth. It's like some of us decide to think for ourselves and start discovering things and we can only get to 99.999% but never 100% because we are withheld the final truth or proof of what we need to understand.
I would say that a few of the posters are for the most part correct. But the truth lies somewhere in the middle of all those ideas. I think our natural capacity to retain and make sense of all this knowledge was purposely takin or removed from us for reason unknown to us.

What I've noticed is that when you think you have the answer, you really only have the beggining of the next step of the next answere which then repeates itself. You or anyone can never know all and will never.
Its the same for life because everything everywhere repeates.
Death is like the final answer you think you have , only to realize it is just the next step in your life ( or the next answere which then breeds more questions)

That and close minded people I feel can't evolve past what they are. They may know more facts about certain things or have a higher degree then me but they will never know what I know because they refuse to open their mind.

If more of us thought like this I think we would come to the conclusion or answers we are looking for.

We are being tricked by darkness somehow, but that being said, it is all for a reason. Everything is connected and releated. Thats how we are god and not god at the same time. Thats how we are percieved as physicall beings on one level and not on another. It is both and neither at the same time. or at any given time or place.
Too many things are pointing to something happening to us . An enlightening if you will. The question is..............What will we do when it happens?
The iggnorant will fall prey to the usual religious BS and government lies. Hopefully the rest of us will wake up , given the chance and start living our lives the way they were meant to be.
It's like we have all the ingredients, but can't agree on how to put them all together to get the final product.

NOTE : I'm not trying to hijack the thread but wanted to share an alternate view that could help us all understand, because I would also love to learn more.
The older I get...day by day, knowledge becomes more priceless.

reply to post by Solo954


" Aliens do not exists in physical form."

I'm not sure how one would describe that which can be physical but is not of the earth.

The "aliens", whom I prefer to call the fallen angels, did have sex with women here at one time, so they can be physical. And in case you didn't know, there have been some freaky sightings of a variety of things in Israel, since about 1990. I'm expecting them to come back en mass some day in the near future. These things you say are not physical, have left imprints in the dirt not to mention some up close eyewitesses who were totally freaked out.

Our ability to understand everything has been limited, by the Creator. So our attempt to explain other dimensions will be hampered by that limitation. Similar to the example of the 3 dimension vs 2 dimension difference.

When the time for us to be non-physical beings again arrives, it will be then that we get a full understanding of why it was so hard to understand and explain the 10 dimension world.

There is nothing new under the sun, the things that were known, and became lost or were hidden, got trampled over/replaced by myths which gave rise to fantasies. Like the story of Noah, got retold as a myth about Atlas who held up the world on his shoulders. I had no idea there was a connection, until I stumbled upon the info in an analytical concordance of the Bible. other groups have in the past and New Agers in the present have added to those stories and have new ones as well.

Even 11th century Bible scholars [ Nachmonides and Maimonides ] thought that there were 10 dimensions to reality, only 4 were knowable.

That info was not forgotten, just never repeated by those in power who had a manipulative agenda, so the people never hearing about it, think that it is a recent scientific idea then discovery but it is quite old but unproven until quantum mechanics.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Aliens are physical enough to leave dna evidence.
Nordic aliens left behind almost-human dna in the Khoury case.

Thats because it likely wasnt alien DNA but corrupted Human DNA!

My god when ever I see anyone mention Alien DNA I just have to ask.. How many of you understand how DNA came to be on this planet?
On ancient Earth the eleents here formed into nucleotides, those nucleotides chained and formed peptide chains, those gathered and formed even more complex changes, and evolved over time through natural selection, eventually giving rise to DNA

DNA was not the sole way of peptide chaining and information transmission when life on arth originated. We know of RNA also and many other competing methods by which nucleitide peptic chains formed, but through evolution and the fact the DNA was the best for Earth and transmitting information. The remants of RNA exist today, the majority in forms of viruses and such which themselves dont begin to live in the true sense of the word until they have infected another organism.


To believe in "alien DNA" , and DNA being almost human for that matter, you have to believe that the alien homeworld evolved in a exact manner as that of the human world, with DNA arising for transmitting information and with life evolving in the exact same way giving birth to almost identical species, all on a totally different planet. bullhocky.

and the fact of the matter is NO UFO CASE has ever resulted in samples DNA or otherwise that was poved conclusively to be alien.

"almost indentical to ho human alien DNA" WHAT?! my god. These are what we call corrupted DNA samples, its a imperfect sample and might have been broken down some, but human none the less.


Oh and furthermore to the OP to say "aliens dont exist in 2d form" is a arrogant and unfounded statement. You mean to tell me youve been to every habitable planet in the known universe and can validate this?

furthermore why is it when ever the UFO phenomenon is discussed, some people have a almost intrinsic tendency to elevate the alleged aliens to these hyper dimensional almost God like beings who have manipulated space and time and mastered the dimensions etc etc? This sort of thinking is merely one rung down from the alien based religions.


[edit on 16-11-2008 by NavalFC]

Originally posted by toasted
reply to post by Solo954

 

" Aliens do not exists in physical form."

I'm not sure how one would describe that which can be physical but is not of the earth.

The "aliens", whom I prefer to call the fallen angels, did have sex with women here at one time, so they can be physical. And in case you didn't know, there have been some freaky sightings of a variety of things in Israel, since about 1990. I'm expecting them to come back en mass some day in the near future. These things you say are not physical, have left imprints in the dirt not to mention some up close eyewitesses who were totally freaked out.

Our ability to understand everything has been limited, by the Creator. So our attempt to explain other dimensions will be hampered by that limitation. Similar to the example of the 3 dimension vs 2 dimension difference.

When the time for us to be non-physical beings again arrives, it will be then that we get a full understanding of why it was so hard to understand and explain the 10 dimension world.

There is nothing new under the sun, the things that were known, and became lost or were hidden, got trampled over/replaced by myths which gave rise to fantasies. Like the story of Noah, got retold as a myth about Atlas who held up the world on his shoulders. I had no idea there was a connection, until I stumbled upon the info in an analytical concordance of the Bible. other groups have in the past and New Agers in the present have added to those stories and have new ones as well.

Even 11th century Bible scholars [ Nachmonides and Maimonides ] thought that there were 10 dimensions to reality, only 4 were knowable.

That info was not forgotten, just never repeated by those in power who had a manipulative agenda, so the people never hearing about it, think that it is a recent scientific idea then discovery but it is quite old but unproven until quantum mechanics.

fallen angels? give me a break. news flash, if angels did exist, which they dont, they wouldnt be able to reproduce with humans..speciation and all that...

Maybe the aliens have technology to appear to us as from a different dimension. They also seem to have technology to materialize and dematerialize. Besides, most of the aliens that visit the earth are clones. I would'nt be surprised if they know about an extra dimension that we do not identify

Why couldn't aliens simply live on a planet of their own like we do? I mean, sure, maybe there are extra-dimensional aliens, but in what way would that mean that there are no extraterrestrial aliens? The two theories do not conflict with each other. And there's another possibility.... time travelers. Also, time traveling extraterrestrial aliens. Also still, time traveling extra-dimensional extraterrestrials. Maybe there are even aliens that have discovered ways to move from one universe to another! (If other universes exist) There's a large number of possibilities. No proof for us of any of that yet though, but maybe someday.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by GrayFox]

Some of the reports have mentioned what these aliens or whomever refer to us as containers. So, it also suggests their ability to move between life forms as temporary hosts.

These also suggest the old myths of the fallen and watchers who came into (or possessed?) women etc. The ones I believe I've met can leave a physical form they're currently using at will for a short while and the body goes into a sort of limp mode with eratic breathing as if brain activity is very low.

I've had at least one incidence they took me this way and my wife called the paramedics because of my breathing and she couldn't wake me.

I had an incredible lucid experience during that time in another body and visited some young Persian girl in what appeared to be a middle eastern tent suggesting around the 1800's as if a staged setting.

There are also suggestions of them being able to take what we presume as a solid form. There are also alleged biblical accounts of alleged angels that also did this.

Budd Hopkins mentions some of these in his book Sight Unseen.

Just because something is a biblical account, doesn't mean it's a myth etc.

Originally posted by aleon1018
Some of the reports have mentioned what these aliens or whomever refer to us as containers. So, it also suggests their ability to move between life forms as temporary hosts.

These also suggest the old myths of the fallen and watchers who came into (or possessed?) women etc. The ones I believe I've met can leave a physical form they're currently using at will for a short while and the body goes into a sort of limp mode with eratic breathing as if brain activity is very low.

I've had at least one incidence they took me this way and my wife called the paramedics because of my breathing and she couldn't wake me.

I had an incredible lucid experience during that time in another body and visited some young Persian girl in what appeared to be a middle eastern tent suggesting around the 1800's as if a staged setting.

There are also suggestions of them being able to take what we presume as a solid form. There are also alleged biblical accounts of alleged angels that also did this.

Budd Hopkins mentions some of these in his book Sight Unseen.

Just because something is a biblical account, doesn't mean it's a myth etc.

"Just because something is a biblical account, doesn't mean it's a myth etc. " Unless it deals with some aspect of verifiable history, it is.
There was no Noahs ark. no global flood.
and no angels having sex with humans.
Speciation kind of bites your ass there.

reply to post by NavalFC


It would seem you've totally missed my point. Biblical accounts are stories and interpretations. A spiritual being is allegedly using a human form as a host to mate through. Real or myth, it's just speculation based on an alleged ability. Bible stories can have an element of truth and still be fiction.

I don't know about this thread... seems a bit dodgy to me. Saying aliens are from another dimension is like wrapping a mystery in an enigma. I think you're getting ahead of yourselves.

Firstly we must learn what aliens are not before we can actually learn what they are. That is to say we shouldn't be discounting the possibility of them being from distant planets within our regular dimensions before we make unfalsifiable claims they are from from extra dimensions.

We also need solid proof that these dimensions actually exist.. that is - exist beyond just theory and mathematical probabilities. Something that is probable isn't necessarily so. Then we need to be sure that life can even exist in these extra dimensions.

It's nice to pretend we know all the answers but none of us do... Ultimately I think that claiming aliens are extra dimensional is ultimately unhelpful at this point in time.

IRM

[edit on 17/11/08 by InfaRedMan]

What you guys are talking about is so outdated. Euclidian dimensions as in Flatland are not what the extra dimensions actually are. If they exist, they are proven to be folded dimensions. Very tiny loops. Look it up. There is no distance between us and other universes, only an angle. Think about a surface (2D analogy). One side of the surface is rotated 180° from the other side. Dark matter is there, invisible to us, only interacting through gravitation with our universe.

[edit on 2008-11-17 by nablator]