Civil Marriages Are A Civil Right.

reply to post by Supercertari

"Civil Right" is a big claim, it's important to establish what a "right" is and who defines it. You haven't done that yet.

Yes,i have.
But you can't seem to grasp that civil rights are rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship.

In the US these rights date back to the 1860's and can be found in the 1st,13th and 14th Amendments of the Constitution.This is a case of equality before the law.

You've spoken about equality and being just and moral yet you haven't identified who decides what is any of those three?

Yes,i have.
Governments,influenced by the people,decide.Religions don't care about people's opinions,their laws,morals etc are rooted in scripture,therefore the people have no say in what happens within that faith.

You suggest if some group wants something then they should have the "right" to do it even if it upsets other groups - you haven't clarified who should make the decision of which "upset" should take priority?

No,i didn't.
If it is a right,by law,then they should be allowed to do it.Civil marriage is a right by law.And no group,no matter how upset,takes priority above the law.If all 1.6 billion Christians said they were upset by several million gays being allowed to get married,it wouldn't matter.Because,by law,gay people have rights and those rights include civil marriage.By arguing this,these Christians are putting themselves and their religion above the law.

In this then there is found a very difficult situation where what one group calls a "right" is contradicted by what another group thinks is a "right", how and who decides between them and on what authority?

Once more with feeling....
That would be the government.Civil rights are in-forced and protected by the government.Their authority is the Law.

So, you propose that one group's want should be considered a civil right, but you do this by questioning another group's right which has already been declared. Should the right to freedom of speech, as here declared, be suspended for a particular group while another group achieves "right status" for something which has not yet been declared to be such?

The 1st Amendment allows the free exercise of religion,would you be happy if people argued that such a law be removed and restrictions be put in place?? Religions are practiced by the grace of the law,not by the will of its followers.
A civil union is that between 2 people,the Defense of Marriage Act tried to change that by saying that marriage is between a man and a woman only.By denying the right of civil marriage you are breaching the equality laws and denying the benefits of over 1,138 federal laws that hetrosexual married cpl's receive.