America, a nation of hypochondriacs and fools?

Socialized Health care the all consuming boondoggle promised by vote hungry politicians to a gullible public might be good for us after all.

America has the best healthcare money can buy as it now stands. Yes, we get fleeced but hey it's not our money the insurance companies pay for most of our fleecing.

It's about time we start paying for our own healthcare fleecing with socialized medicine. Once we see how much smaller our paychecks are after our fair share is taken out for healthcare we might appreciate it more and cut down on running to hospital for every little sniffle or palpitation.


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"Yes, we get fleeced but hey it's not our money the insurance companies pay for most of our fleecing."
Over 50% of our insurance costs go to pay overhead and "fatcat" CEO Bonuses, so yes WE pay, it is OUR money that they waste. How can you think for one minute that the insurance companies pay for anything? Do they give you free insurance coverage, or do you PAY for that coverage?

We are the ONLY industrialized nation on the face of the planet who doesn't have some form of universal healthcare.

One part of your post is right, we DO have the best healthcare money can buy, along with the most corrupt insurance companies, which causes us to pay insane sums of money for anything.

I don't know where you get your information my friend, but you need to look for another source...

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Well im glad that you were able to start a topic and prove it all in one post with your own ideals and words. It isnt rare that posts like these are made.. you know the ones where you should just go into the bathroom and tell it to yourself in the mirror.

You don't believe we are being fleeced or that Americans are hypochondriacs, or both?

Originally posted by ashamedamerican
How can you think for one minute that the insurance companies pay for anything? Do they give you free insurance coverage, or do you PAY for that coverage?

Yeah like we pay for the thousands of dollars that most hospitals and doctors charge for a day in hospital. We pay a small percentage of that, the insurance pays the rest.

We are the ONLY industrialized nation on the face of the planet who doesn't have some form of universal healthcare.

That must be why millions of people want to move to this country every year. Maybe they are sick of their own countries so called "free" healthcare

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Originally posted by Wertdagf
Well youve proved the fool point with the threads and the posts that YOU make. I mean you must belong to the group of sterotypical americans your speaking of. You even failed to read what the poster above me said. That would have awnsered the "fleeced" question. As for "hypochondriacs" you must have somone close to you that is a fool and does this... and then because your a fool you assume that everyone else is this way.

Sweeping generalizations will get you nowhere, but you have gained the label that you hoped to pin on others. Great Job!

No doubt I'm a fool and I do have relatives that are hypochondriacs, man you are good. Are you psychic?

Originally posted by gdeed

gdeed: Yes, we get fleeced but hey it's not our money the insurance companies pay for most of our fleecing.

counterterrorist: Where do you think the insurance companies get their money, from. BESIDES, they are 'owned' by the same bankers who own the Federal Reserve and City of London. Insurance is a racket, just like the Fed/City of London.

gdeed: Once we see how much smaller our paychecks are after our fair share is taken out for healthcare we might appreciate it more and cut down on running to hospital for every little sniffle or palpitation.

counterterrorist: the poor fill every emergency room. they usually are not billed, rather, their bills are dismissed because of poverty. Like mine were.

If everyone would realize there is a war going on and the two sides are:

(the private owners of the fed/city of london who are the money-issuing 'capitalist' class) vs (the rest of us)

the private owners of the fed/city of london own: the international banks that own the central banks and the national banks that own the oil companies and the insurance companies and the military-industrial complex.

then everyone might realize money is a fantasy used to mind control you and that there is no need for money. It is not Creator-made, it is man-made. It is a form of idolatry, totally artificial, having nothing to do with Creator-made seeds to grow food, Creator-made seeds to grow animals, Creator-made seeds to grow people, Creator-made seeds to grow the plants which are medicines and from which medicines are made, Creator-made seeds from which the universe is made, Creator-made seeds from which ideas spring.

The raving mythology is that people are worthless with money. I do not agree with this. The Creator needs no money, nor do his/her creations.

Factories would still be built. Food will still be grown. Babies would still be born, live and die. Wars would still be fought. Genocide would still rage. People would still get sick, and people would still be healed.
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Originally posted by counterterrorist

the poor fill every emergency room. they usually are not billed, rather, their bills are dismissed because of poverty. Like mine were.

That's true in America too. The poor fill most of the hospital emergency rooms and don't pay anything.

But we don't call that socialized medicine.

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It's absolutely wrong for American people to think that when you have universal social insurance then you're going to have socialized medicine.

see, 'universal medical insurance is NOT socialized medicine -- according to world experts', at www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by gdeed
Yeah like we pay for the thousands of dollars that most hospitals and doctors charge for a day in hospital. We pay a small percentage of that, the insurance pays the rest.

What reality do you live in?
Where do you think the insurance companies get their money?
Do you think they are charity organizations?
You really need a reality check, and a new source for your "information" if it can even be called that...
Not trying to be rude here, but your "logic" (I can't believe I just called it that) is so far from reality that I can only assume that you work for one of these companies.

*Snip*

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Well I predict the problem will get worse in hurry with the economic downturn.

The issue with insurance is that everytime it gets a bit more expensive some of the healthy people that don't "have to have it" drop out, that means those in the pool are higher risk, needing more services, and driving the costs up MORE.

As costs go up MORE, more people that are healthy drop out, making the prices even higher still. It's a vicious circle that will probably accelerate a lot as people start pinching pennies and some drop insurance coverage that they aren't really using now anyway. If they go to the doctor on average once a year they would cost them maybe $80 bucks, whereas monthly insurance rates are much much higher.

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Originally posted by ashamedamerican

Originally posted by gdeed
Yeah like we pay for the thousands of dollars that most hospitals and doctors charge for a day in hospital. We pay a small percentage of that, the insurance pays the rest.

What reality do you live in?
Where do you think the insurance companies get their money?

The money doesn't come from only the employee, it comes from the companies that pay into those funds.

The average employee pays a few hundred dollars a year but uses thousands of dollars in benefits.

Edit: question for mods...
Can a thread be deleted for blatent stupidity?

Or your posts too

Originally posted by gdeed
The money doesn't come from only the employee, it comes from the companies that pay into those funds.

The average employee pays a few hundred dollars a year but uses thousands of dollars in benefits.

A lot of smaller companies split the cost with the employee. And no, I don't think the "average" employee rings up a few thousand a year. More likely 10% ring up 90% of the costs. Though it comes down to how you figure your "averages".

Hello everyone.

If you look really hard all around the board, there are forums you will not find me posting in.

Why?

Because I don't care for the subject matter, or even how some of the threads are worded.

My suggestion.

If you don't like the thread, don't post.

If you continue to post Off Topic and Ill mannered posts, they will be removed, you could be warned and posting privileges removed.

Fair enough?

Thank You

Semper

Right now we already have "free" medical care for everyone. Show up in an ER and by law you have to be treated just like Obama. The hospitals get reimbursed for this, the docs do not. THIS IS THE LAW!

Yes our infant mortality is worse than other countries, but if you take out the drug abusers, illegal aliens who get no prenatal care, etc. we are second to none. Also premature babies who never grow up to be normal, consume millions of dollars of care. In other countries they are left to die in peace and they are not counted as live births.

I am a doc and I think we need a one payer system. We also need to ration medical care. This is sad, but true. We waste billions on keeping cancer patients on kidney dialysis, etc. just because either the doc or the patient or the family "wants it done".

Ready anything by Norton Hadler. He is a professor at the medical school in North Carolina, and he points out that much of what we docs do today is nuts.

The BIGEST problem is defensive medicine. DO NOT TELL ME THAT THIS DOES NOT MATTER! When medicare set their doctors fees they took three things into consideration. How long and hard it was do so something, how much overhead the doc had, and the risk of getting sued! They didn't want the lawyers to miss getting their share!

Studies have shown that winning or losing has little if anything to do with "malpractice". It has to do with how good your lawyer is!

The insurance companies are MUCH worse than the government. MUCH WORSE! Most docs would much rather deal with Medicare than an insurance company.

My kid is also a doc. He got TWO degrees in four years, cum laude in econ and physics. He then went to medical school. He will be able to first go into practice when he is 33 years old! Yes, docs make a good living but you get what you pay for. Pay docs less (as you are doing now) and you will get more MBAs and JDs. That is what is happening now. Go to one of them when you are old and sick!

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by gdeed
The money doesn't come from only the employee, it comes from the companies that pay into those funds.

The average employee pays a few hundred dollars a year but uses thousands of dollars in benefits.

A lot of smaller companies split the cost with the employee. And no, I don't think the "average" employee rings up a few thousand a year. More likely 10% ring up 90% of the costs. Though it comes down to how you figure your "averages".

I agree it's a small percentage that abuse the system and that adds up fast. But it don't take much to rack up thousands of dollars when the average person goes in for legit stuff.

Originally posted by gdeed
I agree it's a small percentage that abuse the system and that adds up fast. But it don't take much to rack up thousands of dollars when the average person goes in for legit stuff.

Well I think most of the true "abuse" comes from the non-insured that run to the hospital emergency room every time their kid has a cold. Perhaps the government should subsudize more local clinics that can handle basic problems without the overhead that hospitals pay.

But yeah if a legit problem comes up it can get expensive very very fast.

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What about mental illness?

Health care is free already. We just think we are paying them. Caveat fiat money and fractional banking money is worthless ... it is pretend, you just think it has value.

Money has become the idolatry instead of worshipping life-force.

Health is the true wealth. We are letting the central bankers vampirize our health. They should be imprisoned.

Until you isolate those shepherds who are mind controlling you, and take away their power ...and as long as we believe in private control of public (God-given) natural and human resources -- then we doom ourselves to mental, physical, spiritual, emotional, financial and sexual slavery.

As long as the sheeple worship money rather than see it as a control mechanism, then we will remain slaves to the owners of the central banks that issue the money we focus on.

If you do not elevate your thought to equal reality, then you are just chasing the carrot on the stick, instead of cutting off the arm that holds the carrot in front of your blind eyes.

Elevate your argument. Learn. Do not be a sheeple.

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