Obama supporters racially attack white woman who doesnt support Obama.

Originally posted by Question Fate Im just wondering, do you ever get tired of the racist drivel you spew on every thread? Not an attack, just from my pov you take that stance that every black male is out to race white women, riot and generally cause trouble. If thats how you feel, then so be it but I was just wondering.

No, amazingly enough I never see to get tired of these threads!

BTW I am not at all sure what you mean by "racist drivel". While most people tend to make broad, emotional statements based strictly on opinion I generally post facts, back them up with legitimate sources, and let people draw their own conclusions. But I suppose if one doesn’t like the facts, and can’t negate them, then it is easier to call it “drivel”.

Which is exactly what you just did. You do not like the point I made regarding population increase and the supposed “racism” that is killing off people of color, so you simply say “drivel!”. Please, if you believe it is incorrect, present your argument and back it up. Hey I already suggested the alien theory, maybe you should run with that idea.

Just like the poster that said the “girl wasn’t physically attacked”. Big deal huh? I am sure if one black girl was harassed by a white teacher and an entire class of white students that would not be a big deal either. I am sure the school counselor would advise her to “leave the class” so as to avoid “more trouble”, yup, that is just what they would say.


[edit on 16-11-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Sonya610

Just like the poster that said the “girl wasn’t physically attacked”. Big deal huh? I am sure if one black girl was harassed by a white teacher and an entire class of white students that would not be a big deal either. I am sure the school counselor would advise her to “leave the class” so as to avoid “more trouble”, yup, that is just what they would say.


[edit on 16-11-2008 by Sonya610]

Yeah that would happen after every form of media beat the story to death, the victim made appearances on talkshows, t-shirts were made, a lawsuit filed, the courtroom proceeding broadcast on primetime televison stations and fortune is made when her autobiography turned movie is a #1 box office hit. Not that anything like what I have described has ever happened before.

[edit on 16-11-2008 by ch1ldofthe70s]

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by PdT11

 

I heard of the Billion Dollar Bill. But can you prove it's because of a black leader?

Are you kidding me ? You sound like you have lived in a deep dark hole your whole life...not to be rude, but really, you don't know robert mugabe ?

He is the one that threw all the white farmers out of the country, he is the one that sat back and laughed while white families in zimbabwe were killed, raped and tortured by the thousands, he did nothing and neither did anyone else..

As soon as all the blacks were given the land owned by white farmers they built shacks on the land and drank beer and cheap wine all day long letting the thousands of acres of land go to waste...


The economy of zimbabwe collapsed completely very soon after all the white farmers left...it was in ruins before that anyway.

robert mugabe is not a president, he is a dictator, and a very violent one at that, he is completely insane...

reply to post by Alucard Hellsing


Mugabe was Marxist;
Wiki

Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary General of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the '60s and '70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with a one-party Marxist regime.

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal"

"my hour is not yet here"

He did it all the time.

BUT this is all off topic. The topi c is that Obama supporters racially attacked a white woman who doesn't support Obama. The posts were discussing that and how it's not an isolated incident.

Eye of the beholder, though, innit? I mean, I read that quote as saying he believes this is the time when our society will start to do those things. All of them worthy, really. It's a bit of a leap from where I'm standing to read that as Obama saying he will single-handedly do those things. In fact, if anything, you could accuse him of trying to take a page from Kennedy with all the references he makes to how we all have to "pull together" and do our civic duty. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," and all that.

Originally posted by Alucard Hellsing
As soon as all the blacks were given the land owned by white farmers they built shacks on the land and drank beer and cheap wine all day long letting the thousands of acres of land go to waste...

Yeah, Zimbabwe was the breadbasket of Africa, their white run farms were so productive they produced enough food to feed their own population and export plenty more. After kicking the white farmers off the land they had worked for centuries the populace is now starving and depends on foreign food donations.

Hey! This just proves the other posters point that “racism kills people of color!” It does! They are in fact starving because of black on white racism!


[edit on 16-11-2008 by Sonya610]

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With all due respect, you know not of what you speak. When a minority group that has been oppressed for hundreds of years has a communal experience that says they have broken through, that they can transcend societal barriers (and no, being on T.V., playing basketball, or being rap star does not count), you had better believe that's quite an intense thing to feel. Are you seriously going to make their perfectly legitimate emotions a casualty of your political agenda? Seriously? Can you please just leave this piece of things out of it? I know you think you've got a good point here, but all you're really proving is that African Americans still have a long way to come in terms of being treated decently and with respect for their unique heritage in our country. No matter how you feel politically, you ought to be able to empathize with them even if you think their experience in this is made insignificant by the political boogie man you fear is around the corner.

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by Sonya610

 

Who said he was a Messiah to ANY democrat? The Republicans! You can not find ANY Democrat saying he's the Messiah, only Republicans.

Well here is one Democrat that says he's the Messiah,Louis Farrakhan..

Video

Looks like humans have a long, long way to go to overcome racisim.



Cheers!!!!

reply to post by rikk7111


That's been pointed out a few times. Obviously, it was hyperbole when Gamergal said "No Democrat has ever said that." There are a sufficient number of Democrats that I think we can all expect that sentence (which I've paraphrased) to be incorrect in point of fact. Just as true, however, is that her intent was probably also clear to those who are now arguing the semantics. I suspect she meant to say that mainstream, non-polarized Democrats aren't saying things like that, and I suspect that more mild statement is probably true. There are plenty of people who believe that Obama is the anti-christ, and so there were plenty of people who felt very strongly indeed about Bush even shortly after he was elected (or selected, whichever version of events you subscribe to) as well. Or have we all forgotten so soon? The bottom line is of course people who are hugely involved in African American interests feel very strongly about this guy. You'd have to be living under a rock to think that's such a strange thing.

Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
but all you're really proving is that African Americans still have a long way to come in terms of being treated decently and with respect for their unique heritage in our country. No matter how you feel politically, you ought to be able to empathize with them even if you think their experience in this is made insignificant by the political boogie man you fear is around the corner.

Huh? I am not playing up the race issue because of my political views, if anything it is the reverse. I typically voted Democrat before Obama. Regarding their "unique heritage" well, their "unique heritage" allows them to enjoy a standard of living that would be unthinkable if their ancestors had not been brought to the U.S. They live in a modern country with good nutrition, medical care, free education, modern conveniences and a lot of opportunity. They are one heck of a lot better off than their relatives back in the motherland.

But that is never mentioned huh? All anyone hears is how "horrible it is" for them in America. Yeah its so very very bad here, thats why Africans jump at the chance to immigrate here today.

reply to post by JohnnyElohim


Two quick things. This is exactly what I was trying to get across to GamerGal earlier. It seems you two are the ones focusing on the semantics. It's not that anyone is claiming leagues of high profile democratic politicians are literally calling Obama 'The Messiah.' Did it ever occur to the two of you that perhaps the 'Messiah Obama' comments were also figurative based on perceptions? I stated this very clearly until finally walking away because the point was not getting through to GG and now it apparently is escaping you as well. You two seem to be the ones intensely focused on finding examples of Obama literally being called 'Messiah' and are completely missing the forest for the trees and are ignoring the other startling examples.

Second, although it is very true the black community appears to be very supportive of Obama, they are not the only ones exhibiting this kind of behavior. So, yes- it is totally understandable why it would be so exciting to see America's first black president. However, it is going so beyond that right now.

And that is absolutely all I am going to say on this subject. It is so obvious I'm beginning to feel like I'm violating both lines of my signature. Take care.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Well I cannot recall EVER seeing this level of furvor over another president elect in my lifetime.

I mean crying and carrying on and saying "this is the greatest moment ever!" and "this has changed my life!" over another president winning. There have been some popular presidents but NOTHING like this, not even close.

To be honest it scares me on a few levels, mainly because if something were to happen to this guy things would get very very ugly. There are plenty of people that would love to see America torn up, both internal and external groups, and if something happened to Obama plenty of people might use that as an excuse to go nuts.

Exactly. Some people will lie and say that that they don't see the references to a messianic obama, or that it just doesn't exist when it is there in the media for all to see. Some people (as seen here on this thread) will play the troll game and keep trying to deflect the topic - even when repeatedly called on it. Some people will assume the "peacock pose" with their head in the sand and hope any backlash caused by blacks "wanting to get even" doesn't see them.

IMO, all of the above is truly pitiful.

[edit on 11/16/2008 by centurion1211]

if we are to make progress, lets see what kind of change Obama has
to offer. I hope all racists tensions ease and we all can live in peace
without hatting each other.
The girl in the video was being almost judged if I can say anything for
this matter. Everyone has there own opinion and I myself would like to
see what kind of change we are talking about.
Name calling will not help anyone. I just hope the riots don't start here in the USA because then all hell will break out.
Maybe we can learn from our mistakes and move on with love and respect torwards all human kind.


I am sorry if no one agrees

One tidbit regarding the Farrakhan stuff. In context, he actually said:

Sen. Obama is not the Messiah for sure, but anytime, he gives you a sign of uniting races, ethnic groups, ideologies, religions and makes people feel a sense of oneness, that’s not necessarily Satan’s work, that is I believe the work of God.

So, you know. More like he thinks Obama is doing God's work in trying to unite. Source.

reply to post by Sonya610


I have a distant family member who works for coca cola, they offered him a position in zimbabwe, paying him a fortune to live and work there in an effort to get zimbabwe back on track.

The blacks are so against the foreign workers there that he and all the others have to live in a special fortified town, they are not allowed to leave without being escorted by a few armed guards.

They had to bribe them with free resort accomodation, jet ski's, a free car and medical etc etc...

How desperate can a country be that it has to bribe white people to work there...

I have heard of this same thing happening in the schools around the DC metro area.... GO figure..... The thing that gets me is that Obama is half White, raised by a white family, and brought up mostly in white society. Not that this matters mind you but I don’t think most African Americans know this. In fact, I don’t think most of them know anything about his views or his positions. They only see the color.

My man Howard stern did several street tests before the election where he asked African Americans on the street if they thought Obama was the man and they all said yes of course...but the thing is when Howard told them of his policies he was giving them McCain’s policies instead and they still said hell yeah Obama is the man..... It was so funny to hear these people rant about Obama when it was McCain’s policies they were hearing.

One even thought Palin would be the VP... Incredible LMAO

This next 4 years should be very interesting to say the least.

Here is some of the interviews.... LOL enjoy


www.youtube.com...

Huh? I am not playing up the race issue because of my political views, if anything it is the reverse. I typically voted Democrat before Obama.

That's how it came across, but please feel free to clarify.

Regarding their "unique heritage" well, their "unique heritage" allows them to enjoy a standard of living that would be unthinkable if their ancestors had not been brought to the U.S. They live in a modern country with good nutrition, medical care, free education, modern conveniences and a lot of opportunity. They are one heck of a lot better off than their relatives back in the motherland.

But that is never mentioned huh? All anyone hears is how "horrible it is" for them in America. Yeah its so very very bad here, thats why Africans jump at the chance to immigrate here today.

This represents a pretty severe divergence from my point. My point is that you shouldn't find it frightening that people who identify with Obama ethnically are moved by his political accomplishment in being voted in by the widest margin for a Democrat in a great many years. It doesn't mean they are bereft of reason or worshipful, it means they are touched and perhaps astounded. It might just mean that they feel that much less cynical about this idea we call "The American Dream". I put to you the idea that this might be a Good Thing.

Responding briefly to your comments above, but not wanting to take away from the core issues: first of all, so long as there is a claim that they suffer from racial bias or disadvantage due to prior racial bias, we as Americans should desire to be equalizers. Equalizers insofar as we are all created equal and imbued with the same inalienable rights. One shouldn't be set back unduly by the fact that, for example, one's parents and one's parent's parents simply could not amass the kind of wealth that Anglo families have successfully amassed over the years. Obama's victory is perceived by many, right or wrong, as a sign that we have made a huge step in that direction. Talking about conditions in Africa is beside the point and has a nasty smack to it of "they should be grateful and not ask for more!" If that's not what you mean, I advise you to consider carefully the nuance of your writing. Ditto with Zimbabwe. If you want to go there, we can talk about colonialism and all the rest, but I don't think this thread is an appropriate place to do it.

First of all, that black student looks like Will Smith =D.

Ok, lets reassess this situation.

Teacher announces political stance and defends it in a class she knew that was filled with black students. What did she expect? Acknowledgment? Understanding? Acceptance?

I am pretty sure that more white people hate Obama for being black than blacks hating whites for not supporting Obama.

These black kids are not educated correctly, there is more to politics than personal attacks. They need to learn to question the opponents and create constructive criticism which they were not able to do. This is a failure on the teacher's part.

The teacher was quite possibly racist as well, the way she said things in this video made me think that she provoked this from the students and either thought that she can get away with it or gain attention from the media.

Another problem arise with Obama as the new president. Does he represent blacks who are not interested in politics? Blacks who voted simply because the candidate was black? Pretty much in my opinion. Schools fail at teaching current events because they fear things like this, and thus situations such at this happen pretty darn often.

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by JohnnyElohim

 

Two quick things. This is exactly what I was trying to get across to GamerGal earlier. It seems you two are the ones focusing on the semantics. It's not that anyone is claiming leagues of high profile democratic politicians are literally calling Obama 'The Messiah.' Did it ever occur to the two of you that perhaps the 'Messiah Obama' comments were also figurative based on perceptions? I stated this very clearly until finally walking away because the point was not getting through to GG and now it apparently is escaping you as well. You two seem to be the ones intensely focused on finding examples of Obama literally being called 'Messiah' and are completely missing the forest for the trees and are ignoring the other startling examples.

Sure, and thanks for the reply. To start things off on the right foot, please understand that I don't claim to share Gamergal's views. I just suspect things have gotten a bit out of control in that dialog and was hoping to bring in a little sense. To move on to the body of what you're saying above, I think you may be reading me incorrectly. Mind you, I hardly blame you. I obviously jumped in on a particular side of a two-sided debate. But just to set things straight: I don't think there's a whole lot of importance in any particular example of someone literally saying (or not saying) that Obama is "The Messiah". More importantly, though, I think the zeitgeist that people are picking up on is being misinterpreted. Yes, absolutely Obama is being seen as a possible enabler of great change. I dare say that a lot of people are more excited about the political possibilities in this country then they have been in a very long time. Just as a lot of people are perhaps more terrified than they've been in a very long time. If you ask me, it's neither here or nor there. The proof will be in the pudding and there is simply no point in getting so worked up for either side at this stage in the game. I do, however, believe that many of Obama's detractors are just plain unreasonable and I'm sure if you were interested you'd see my posting history bears that out. That's not to say that all criticism of Obama is pointless. I'd just be a lot more interested to see people talking about his failure to oppose FISA after telling it from the mountain that he'd make a principled stand than I would be to see yet another thread rehashing heated racial issues.

Second, although it is very true the black community appears to be very supportive of Obama, they are not the only ones exhibiting this kind of behavior. So, yes- it is totally understandable why it would be so exciting to see America's first black president. However, it is going so beyond that right now.

Well, sure. I (an Anglo male) was quite touched the night Obama was elected. It absolutely was an historic moment and I felt it in my bones. That's not because I feel religiously about Obama, mind you. The next words to pass my lips were "you had better not screw this up."

And that is absolutely all I am going to say on this subject. It is so obvious I'm beginning to feel like I'm violating both lines of my signature. Take care.

Pleasure to correspond with you even if only briefly.