Beyond the Void: The Evidence of Multiverse is Mounting

Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Mmmmmm.... Universal donut....

An extra line for *drool*

yeh.

taurus shaped mmm?

or I wonder if this "hole" is found to be in the shape of a pentagon..
one facet of a dodecahedron shaped universe! mmm?

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Methinks someone has been watching too much "Bender's Game".

Titanius! Good man of Cornwall!

Originally posted by stander
reply to post by constantwonder

 

We may stand face to face with the most significant contribution to the unspoken truth that science is best described as having been an open-minded religion. Something is ripping this universe apart and it is to be expected that the cosmologic monotheism would try to preserve the one God/one universe doctrine. The way the defense would proceed will tell us something about the degree of influence of mammalian neural structures of the human brain on those most recent evolutionary additives.

Hi! Can you do me a favor and say this in a way I would understand? I am intrigued by your idea, but the last sentence lost me there.

I'm a pretty simple minded person. Help me out here!

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by prevenge

 

Methinks someone has been watching too much "Bender's Game".

Titanius! Good man of Cornwall!

i just looked up that.. and no I had never even heard of that before.
but i'll watch it soon .. sounds funny as hell.

there's tons of talk about a dodecahedron shaped universe out there.. just giggle i mean google.


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hypothesis; she describes the hole as “… the unmistakable
imprint of another universe beyond the edge of our own“.

There is a large area devoid of matter. Check.
Therefore that area connects to an alternate universe. Huh...what?

How exactly does this make sense?

Originally posted by LordBucket

hypothesis; she describes the hole as “… the unmistakable
imprint of another universe beyond the edge of our own“.

There is a large area devoid of matter. Check.
Therefore that area connects to an alternate universe. Huh...what?

How exactly does this make sense?

think of it like this.. imagine a latticework of Octahedron shaped universes all tightly packed together going on forever.
or maybe packed into another shape.. which is packed into others.



"holes.. or "spaces" like the one descirbed.. as one of the "facets"... of these "shaped borders"... membranes between universes.


ooooo

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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by paperplanes

 

I am starting to see this a lot on here as it seems that the proponents of Evolutionary Theory wish to try and show that it is Evolutionary Law, when its not. Even you yourself are using a site on the Theory of Evolution in your post. The fact is that a Theory is exactly that, it’s a theory, though some have more evidence and support behind them then others:

The term theory is regularly stretched to refer to speculation that is currently unverifiable. Examples are string theory and various theories of everything. In the strict sense, the term theory should only be used when describing a model derived from experimental evidence and is provable (or disprovable). It is considered sufficient for the model to be in principle testable at some undetermined point in the future.

Basically the idea that we should accept anything that has "Theory" attached to it as though it is a fact is completely incorrect, many theories are yet to have any proof or testing to back them up in the slightest.

Couldn't agree more.

A theory is just that, a guess. Don't gimme this special meaning cause it's science. Your scientific theories are all still just educated "guesses", just LIKE in the detective stories. Nothing more.

When you scientists are even today proving some old scientific "Laws" were even wrong, how can you say a theory is more than an educated guess with a straight face? Just because it takes alot more time and work to come up with a scientific theory, than say a theory on a murder case, you think it deserves some special definition.

How can so many contradicting theories be more than just guess when they all contradict each other so harshly?

Face it even scientific "Law" is subject to change, let alone all thesepitiful "theories". The Human brain , at this time, can just not comprehend what made our universe. God? well then who made him?

The Big Bang? Well what was before that? nothing? Come off it, you , or I, cannot fathom how all this was created, nor can the top scientific minds of the world. They just make guesses. Especially concerning these theories of everything.

String theory, Membrane theory. Singularity theories, 11 parrallel universe theory, ect,ect

Heres my theory...

Our entire universe is just a small atom in a blade of grass on someones lawn, and it's getting cut. Thats, what the tear in the universe is. How's that?

I mean come on, doesn't our solar system resemble an atom just a bit to much? Size is irrelevant, ect.

reply to post by constantwonder


This 'hole' has been discussed in depth when it was first breaking news

i post the thread so the Op can browse at his leisure

Ats Thread Link

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One of the best threads this week hope you get a lot of points for this one.



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Originally posted by Kruel
Or perhaps it IS a part of our universe... except that it's folded in on itself and the opening must be found to see inside it.

I guess it's all the same though... it just depends on how you define 'universe'.

I was thinking that exact thing the other day, lol. IMO, we do live in a multiverse, but these multiverse's are all connected, to make one giant organism, or a universe, this is merely redefining our 'universe' to accept a much larger concept.

Interesting find, did I read that right, this 'blank patch' is nearly 400 times the size of our galaxy?!? Thats pretty sick right there.

Starand flag.

EMM

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and fourth: Richard Dawkins' neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory and the modern evolutionary synthesis.

I really don't like this guy, a friend gave me 2 books by him to read, the 'God delusion' and 'the oxford book of modern science writing' and I really couldn't stomach him. In the God delusion' he basically lists a number of reasons to not believe in religion and then applies them, by basically saying that they prove God doesn't exist.

He then goes on to explain how science and logical thinking are a much more progressive way for our civilization. Now I'm all for expression of personal opinion, but when he dresses it up as 'facts' and tries to trick people into believing in his belief system, it really annoys me.

Oh and he thinks that science has pretty much solved everything there is to be solved, that was in either the first chapter or prologue to the 'modern science writing' book.

Not saying he detracts from the theory, only that I wish we had someone else, lol.

EMM

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That reminds me of this:

Neat concept…

Is it an Uber black hole? I'd give up trying to put current science to anything, its wrong!

There's no line of logic let alone evidence to draw from a large "hole" in space to invisible dimensions. It' outrageous that this gets passed off as science, are taxpayers dollars used for the invention of fairy tales?

The void (I think) was detected as a drop in temperature in the CMB, so they assume there's no matter, a void. Also The vast distances are calculated using the erroneous Hubble law.

In other words you have to take everything with a grain of salt that comes out of mainstream astronomy.

Interesting stuff.

The article states, the theory that this void is the mark of a parallel universe is testable. The theory stands or falls based on the prediction of a matching void in the "southern hemisphere" of the universe. Considering that the article is from Nov 07, I would guess that the prediction was incorrect.

A little off the central topic, I find it amusing how in recent times we seem to come up with increasingly outrageous theories to prevent our previous theories from being disproven. For example, with the Big Bang theory we thought we'd solved it all, until more sophisticated ways of measuring the universe showed us that not only did observations fail to fit with predictions based on the Big Bang theory, but they were the complete opposite of what was expected; the universe is expanding ever faster where it should be slowing down, and galaxies cling together when they should be flung apart.

So in the face of these contradictions do we rethink the original theory? No. We invent mysterious, unobservable, unmeasurable, unprovable matter and energy to force the observations to fit our theories. So-called "dark matter" keeps everything sticking together, and so-called "dark energy" pushes everything outwards faster and faster. Perhaps, for now, we should admit we simply don't have a clue and just keep observing.




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could this void be somewhere near the area of the big bang as obviously the matter emitted during the big bang would spread on all sides with a void in the middle ??

That link doesn't explain why a hole would be created by a nearby universe. See, the squeezing of our universe by another would cause spacetime to warp in the opposite direction that it normally does under the influence of mass. Mass causes the universe to warp in a fashion that causes other mass to be drawn toward the warp, like a trampoline being stepped on (to be a crude hack). Mersini-Houghton predicts that a nearby universe would "push up on the trampoline." Yuck, look at me being a relativity hack, next I'll be talking about folding a piece of paper and sticking a pencil through it.
people.tribe.net...

Here's a little food for thought. If this hypothesis is correct, could this opposite spacetime warping ever reach a critic limit, say, an infinite amount, like how a black hole is a seemingly infinite curviture caused by mass with zero volume? Would that be a collision of universes? Would that be another big bang? Are we about to witness the birth of another universe, and perhaps the death of ours? With such reveresed gravity, the explosion would accelerate outward at the same speed at which matter accelerates inwards towards a singularity. Maybe it will only be a localized big bang, a white hole perhaps? This is all speculation, anyway...


It's more than just the hole...

If the cosmic cold spot was all that Laura Mersini-Houghton and her colleagues had chalked up in the way of a prediction, it might be possible to dismiss it as a fluke. However, they claim they can explain two other anomalies in the WMAP measurements of the cosmic microwave background too.
The standard model of cosmology cannot explain why the hot and cold spots of the quadrupole and octupole are much closer in temperature than they are in other multipoles. But Mersini-Houghton says that the squeezing of our universe by neighbouring ones in her team's model leads to repulsive gravity and suppresses the quantum fluctuations that seeded matter. "This is turn depresses the temperature variations at the quadrupole scale, exactly as WMAP has seen," she says.

people.tribe.net...

Also, the team has two other predictions that, if proven, would make an essentially rock solid case for us mere humans having actually observed the effects of a nearby universe.

They predict that there should be not one such giant void but two: one in the northern hemisphere corresponding to the WMAP cold spot and one in the southern hemisphere. "We are hoping that a southern void will turn up in the data soon," she says.

The other prediction is that the The Large Hadron Collider WILL NOT have the energy required to produce supersymmetric particles

They hope to test what happened when the universe cooled below a certain temperature and underwent a phase transition, which broke supersymmetry. According to string models, the energy released during the phase transition drove inflation, and went on to create supersymmetric particles. Since the energy had to be sufficient to ensure the growth of our piece of vacuum, Mersini-Houghton and her colleagues can make an estimate of the energy scale of supersymmetry breaking. "We find it is about 100,000 times greater than generally believed," she says. "Therefore we predict that the LHC will not detect supersymmetry."

Here's that link yet again
ALSO...

Here are the peer reviewed, published papers on the subject, just for extra bonus...

As wasn shown in [19, 20] connectivity through the nonlocal entanglement of our domain with everything else on the multiverse left its imprints on the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and large scale structure (LSS), in various observables. Among them, it is worth mentioning: the prediction of a giant void [19] whose existence was later confirmed experimentally[21]; a suppressed 8 but an enhanced power with distinct signatures at higher multipoles in the power spectrum which is in agreement with the latest WMAP data release[26]; and, a higher SUSY breaking scale which will be tested this year by LHC.

arxiv.org...

This is source 19
arxiv.org...

This is source 21
arxiv.org...

Here's a link to Cornell's library database in case you'd like to read all of the sources, sources of sources, and so on, and so on.
arxiv.org...

The problem is, this information is kind of old, and if anyone can find any updated information it would really be appriciated.

The void may just be a statistical artefact, nothing more. So I would caution anyone on the finding of the "void", as it seems the case for it is weakening.

Void Challenged

A giant hole in the cosmos that shocked astrophysicists last year may not exist after all. A re-examination of the area has found that the "void", which supposedly contained far fewer stars and galaxies than expected, could be a statistical artefact.

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Others now agree that the case for a void is weakening. "I think Smith and Huterer have made a good case that there is no void in the radio data at this location," says WMAP theorist David Spergel of Princeton University.

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reply to post by Nola213


Calm down girlfriend. He was just trying to point out that simply stating a theory is a guess is a gross over simplification. And yes, scientific theories are guesses, but as you yourself stated, they are educated guesses.

And about the thread, that's pretty cool. If it isn't the 'mark' of another universe, I wonder what it is? If it was the center of the big bang, would it necessarily be empty?

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
A little off the central topic, I find it amusing how in recent times we seem to come up with increasingly outrageous theories to prevent our previous theories from being disproven. For example, with the Big Bang theory we thought we'd solved it all, until more sophisticated ways of measuring the universe showed us that not only did observations fail to fit with predictions based on the Big Bang theory, but they were the complete opposite of what was expected; the universe is expanding ever faster where it should be slowing down, and galaxies cling together when they should be flung apart.

So in the face of these contradictions do we rethink the original theory? No. We invent mysterious, unobservable, unmeasurable, unprovable matter and energy to force the observations to fit our theories. So-called "dark matter" keeps everything sticking together, and so-called "dark energy" pushes everything outwards faster and faster. Perhaps, for now, we should admit we simply don't have a clue and just keep observing.

My thoughts exactly. I've been fairly disappointed in conventional astronomy ever since hearing about "dark matter". It's not like they tried to rethink the big bang and then decided on inventing dark matter... no they didn't even consider it. Seems the religious aren't the only ones with faith.

Originally posted by LordBucket

hypothesis; she describes the hole as “… the unmistakable
imprint of another universe beyond the edge of our own“.

There is a large area devoid of matter. Check.
Therefore that area connects to an alternate universe. Huh...what?

How exactly does this make sense?

I think that "devoid of matter" means that IF something IS there, it's undetectable via current physics...the "multiverse" theory suggests that other universes may "operate" via totally exotic physical properties and this area could be one of those multiverses.

Nutshell? This "large area" is probably freaky-deaky beyond comprehension and this discovery should, at the very least, make us all take the time tonight to crack open a cold one (or fire up a hot one) and a comfy blanket and stare at the stars.



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