Anti-Christ Question

I recieved a very good question the other day in my email and I must say that I was dumbfounded by it, but here it is:

Will the person who is going to be the Anti-Christ know that he is the AC from conception/early age? or will the person be led down the wrong road, leading him to become the AC? I searched the bible and could not find anything about the AC origins.

So guys/gals what do you think?



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The anti-christ is the man who replaces Christ. This is the true meaning. It may not be intentional if he is elevated beyond Christ by his supporters.

I don't think we CAN know the answer.

It's like asking if Judas always knew that he was the 'son of perdition' and would betray Jesus.

We just don't know the answer to these questions, and I doubt that we will ever know in this lifetime.

I think a more important question would be just, exactly WHO the anti-Christ is......if indeed he shows himself in our lifetime.

From what I have been taught the anti-christ will be Satan himself. Satan and the 7,000 fallen angels will be cast out of heaven and will finally make themselves seen here. Some of you here do know that Satan and his buddies have been free to roam the earth and yet still at this time reside in heaven.

They will still be in their supernatural bodies as they never passed through this earth age in the flesh. The 7,000 are called fallen angels because they chose not to wait to be born of flesh and came here to earth ahead of time to help Satan try to destroy the Holy line that was to remain pure. In heaven all the angels are male, females looked really good to these fallen ones. The result of supernatural beings and natural beings making babies were the Nephalim, the giants.

Adam & Eve were not 6th day creations. The 6th day creations were the ones who evolved from apes. They are the ones that Cain found in the land of Nod. Evolution is accounted for in the Bible, but it was not the main focus of the Bible; the Holy line was.

On the 6th day God created men & women (from the original manuscripts it was plural not singular). On the 7th day God rested. Then God molded Adam (8th day). The 6th day creations were not molded from clay, they were created. God is consistant. A Holy and pure line was needed for God to be able to be born of woman. Everyone of us had to pass through this earth age and even God came here in the flesh.

The first time Satan tried to destroy the holy line was in the Garden and yes he was the tree of knowledge, knowledge of good and evil. The other trees were also angels that Adam and Eve were allowed to talk to and ask questions of. When God speaks of Lucifer, He refers to him as a tree that became too lofty.

Jesus said that Eve was "wholley seduced", Adam & Eve didn't have those fig leaves over their privates because their mouths had sinned. No where in the Bible does it say that Eve ate an apple. From the original manuscripts, the ones in Hebrew, it is made clear that Satan seduced Eve and had sex with her. Then Eve had sex with Adam. This is how she conceived Adam's son, Abel, and Satan's son, Cain. She became pregnant at the same time by both. I wrote this part to show you that although Satan had a supernatural body he was able to have sex with someone having a natural body. In other words he will have a body with substance and not ghostlike.

Lucifer was the most beautiful angel and an archangel. He was one of God's most favorite angels. For the people who think Obama is the antichrist...does he look like the most beautiful man on earth? Does he have a supernatural body? Can he perform miracles? Also keep in mind that the prophecies leading up to the appearance to the antichrist haven't all happened yet. He's not the antichrist, just the next in line of people to prepare the way for the antichrist to make his appearance.

Anyway...the antichrist will be able to deceive most of the world. How? He will have a supernatural body, he will be physically beautiful , he will quote scripture, he will be able to perform supernatural things as will the fallen ones, that will fool most people in the world that he is Christ coming to save his people. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he and his 7,000 showed up in a spaceship.

When he does arrive, the first 3 1/2 years will feel like heaven compared to what we are now going through and about to go through. Then after that his true nature will show and things will get real ugly, not just for the ones who were smart enough to know who he really is, but those who had bowed down to him.

PS...the rapture theory began in the 1800's by a spirtualist who took her "vision" to some of the elders of the local church in England where she lived and they saw it as a way to get more people into church...meaning more tithes.

This is what I have been taught and believe in.

The bible is a book backed up by nothing full of contradictions and has been edited and translated over almost 2000 years.

I have some great Clive Barker books that are a tad shorter and far more compelling. I suggest you look into that or go to the library and browse. There is more than enough religious fiction out there.

Here's a discription of him from the bible,2 Thessalonians

2 Thess. 2

Who is more evil then a human. Is the devil actually more evil then what we are. What more evil could he do then we aren't doing to our selves.

We wouldent see the Antichrist even if we tried. He would just be another politician in our eyes.





[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by TheMythLives

Will the person who is going to be the Anti-Christ know that he is the AC from conception/early age? or will the person be led down the wrong road, leading him to become the AC?

The truth is there will not be a person called the Antichrist who appears at the end. People mistake the beast, the son of perdition, and the false prophet as some being being Satan in human flesh. This is not Biblical. A beast is always symbolic in prophcy of a kingdom, and that mentioned in Revelation is no different. It is kingdom lead by many kings, not a single person....

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


The sons of perdition (yes, there are two mentioned in the Bible) were people who's actions would lead to the desolation of both the physical (Christ himself) and spiritual (the church, the temple of God) bodies of Christ.

1st son of perdition, talking of Judas.....

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

2nd son of perdition, talking of a man who would stand in the temple of God (which Paul says is now the church) and raise himself up above God, and cause an apostasy, or falling away from the truth....

2THESSALONIANS 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

People think this is talking of some Antichrist figure that will stand in some rebuilt Jewish temple, but they forget what Paul said was and would be the temple of God at the end times.....

1Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I searched the bible and could not find anything about the AC origins.

That fact alone should raise some red flags with people. You will not find anything about an Antichrist figure to emerge in the end times, not in scripture anyways.

Is the Mothman a spring or an autumn?

Does Nessie like playing hide and seek?

Does bigfoot think about mortaility?

Just thought these were as relevant.

Originally posted by doctorex

I searched the bible and could not find anything about the AC origins.

That fact alone should raise some red flags with people. You will not find anything about an Antichrist figure to emerge in the end times, not in scripture anyways.

I agree and applaud 99% of what Doctorex has written above, we pretty much agree on everything, except possibly who the final “Man of Sin” is. Most people are not even aware of the schools of prophetic interpretation, and very few are aware of Historicism anymore unless they have done a lot of digging.

The origin of the beast being considered a one time, all powerful, Antichrist comes from the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church. In 1545, the RCC held the Council of Trent to organize the Counter-Reformation, in an attempt to do damage control over Luther having both printed the Bible in common language, and his having stated that the Pope was the “Little Horn” of Daniel.

Jesuit Futurism
In 1545, the Catholic Church convened one of its most famous councils in history—the Council of Trent. It continued for three sessions, ending in 1563. One of the main purposes of this Council was for Catholics to plan a counterattack against Protestantism, also known as the Counter-Reformation. Up to this point, Rome's main method of attack had been blatant—burning Bibles and heretics. Yet this warfare only convinced Protestants that Papal Rome was indeed the Beast that would "make war with the saints." Revelation 13:7. Therefore a new tactic was needed—something less obvious. This is where the Jesuits come in.

The Jesuit Order actually came up with the two rival schools of prophetic interpretation that still compete with Historicism today, Futurism and Preterism. Futurism has since spread into Protestant Seminaries through folks such as Chuck Swindoll, Hal Lindsey, the Moody Bible Institute, etc; where it took root, not so much because it was more correct, but rather because it was more politically correct. The more mainstream of Protestant Faiths still teach proper Historicism, though most avoid the topic of prophecy as much as possible. For example, I grew up in a Lutheran School and understood Luther’s feelings on the subject of the Antichrist, but I never really understood Historicism until I researched it myself many years later. I even had Lutheran Teachers use theology that was straight from the other two schools of prophecy, and they did not even understand this fact themselves.

Anyway to me the Little Horn of Daniel is none other then the Pontifex Maximus, the Leader of the Pagan Roman Churches of the old Roman Empire, and a title which out survived the Empire to become what we now know as the Pope.

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

Originally posted by TheMythLivesWill the person who is going to be the Anti-Christ know that he is the AC from conception/early age? or will the person be led down the wrong road, leading him to become the AC? I searched the bible and could not find anything about the AC origins.

I know the answer to this question, it isn't what I think. The truest reality behind the answer is this:

Hundreds of thousands of years ago there was put into place a spiritual being over this planet. Over that time this spirit has been shun of all power over the planet, the last disenfranchisement being about 2000 years ago, however this spirit still remains on world. That spirit being is known as the devil, and it was the power over this world under satan. That spirit has no power to bother anyone anymore unless throught he self will of a creature (man) and through trickery that spirit being can lead the person away from the spirit of truth.

This is the case of the anti-Christ, and all "anti-christs". The AntiChrist, along with all underling antichrists, will be self centered and self absorbed being of evil self willed persons, that will desire power and athority over others. In an unholy union of their selfish self and the powerless spirit (devil) they shall be given insights and even believe they are being lead by The Most high God.

They themselves are pawns in the game, and their selfish will of self gets them trapped into believing they are delivers and messengers of God. They want to believe they are "Good" and thus they are alowed to believe that.

The spirit that is known as "The Devil" can communicate with a mind open to recieve messages of selfish natured desires. The Devil sees itself as "The God" of this planet.

Fools believe that if they ask an inner voice if it is "God" then only the original creator God could answer with yes. It's because the antichrists and "AntiChrist" refuse to want to see truth absolute rather then their self willed desire to be truth that leads them astray.


The Whole Exercise of this world is for each personality to pick and choose to be found within the Will of the Creator God of all, or to follow down the path of self willed that leads to distruction.

Hope this helps.

Moreover here's an extention of the antiChrist and antichrist.

Antichrists always try to rewrite the rule, they try to take the spiritual stream of reality down another path from prestablished norms. Most often it is of a physical understanding and a nationalistic behavior. Such as Hitler tryed to make the germans the "chosen people" to rule over the world.

The very nature of the "anti-christ" is to downplay the singular man christ figure. Such as David Wilcox does. Not saying that David Wilcox is an antichrist here. However he displays great idealisims of antichrist behavior. He teaches that the christ is just a state of mind that everyone who follows him will achieve and that he is to fight the estabilshment because they are doing many consparicies against "the people". Such boggy truths should be well shuned.

The leading "religious movement" of antichrist establishment in the world today is Islam. Islam teaches that the christ was little more then another prophet of God in which there was many but the last one was to be "Mohamad".

The Islam religion isn't evil, nor is the christian religion good, as it depends upon the understandings of each individual within the group as to free willed choice. Orginized religion is just the short bush that gets the helmeted children to the classrooms. However sometimes one acts up.

Fundementalist Islam has the drive and motovation to try to subdue the world under a named god.

The totality of the "AntiChrist" that is to come will be known when a "leader" stands and perclaims spiritual rule as god over the planet.

The totality of meaning behind the play is this:

Too many confuse physical natured understandings, the beast, with higher natured meanings. Life isn't about the physical existance. Physical life is about choosing Life or nonexistance through a projection of your self will down the path of self will projection or self will projection into the Higher giving up of one's self willed projection to the Will of the Father of ALL.

Because Satan does not know everything including the exact time of the end doesn't it make sense that every age Satan would have to have an Antichrist ready to go? Just a thought

Originally posted by BlackProjects
Because Satan does not know everything including the exact time of the end doesn't it make sense that every age Satan would have to have an Antichrist ready to go? Just a thought

First off you attibuting to satan something that isn't satan's.

There is no chess game going on between God and evil forces. There is only an evil act and the resulting evil echos/waves.

The devil, not satan, is getting ready to be removed from this planet. Evil forces believe that if they can trip up the system they can have another cycle of existance upon the physical realm. They are wrong but that is what they WILL to believe. The Antichrist therefore is the part of the evil act that is the reaching toward the new world cycle in hopes to dominate the new world cycle.

There is no repitious action through the ages, time is more linear, and the story is unfolding in percession rather then cicular.