Bush pardons himself

reply to post by Ign0rant


How can this happen,the whole administration should be tried for treason.

If torturing suspected terrorists was not illegal when Bush was giving the thumbs up, I fail to see how he can be prosecuted for it.

Originally posted by unnamedninja
If torturing suspected terrorists was not illegal when Bush was giving the thumbs up, I fail to see how he can be prosecuted for it.

There is more that.
As you say "suspected"
It it Illigal to Hold and Detain anyone in the US without being charged,
so he moves them to another country. Not because the Food was better or
more secure but all the US laws do not apply there. They used all methods
of torture that were banned by Geneva Convention. Plus because they
are "suspected" they can hold them until they die without trial or hearing.
In other words they are guilty until proven Innocent, and denied all outside
access so you can't prove them Innocent.

This not much diffent from the Country Bush went to Liberate from.

As others have stated The International Criminal Court in The Hague is in no way bound by U.S. legislation, pardons, etc.

There is absolutely nothing that could legally stop them from going after Bush once he steps down from office.

Someone stop me if I'm wrong about this next part please.
Hypothetically speaking, if Bush stayed inside the U.S. and Obama refused to hand him over to the international community, wouldn't he (Obama) then be guilty of at least harboring a fugitive, if not aiding and abetting, and then subject to prosecution himself?

Can someone find the proper email address to direct a letter writing campaign to the The International Criminal Court in The Hague on behalf of the people of the United States, requesting that they pursue a conviction of Bush?

I seriously would like to start one but the only email addresses I can find don't seem to be the proper channels for this kind of activity.

The only bad thing about the International Criminal Court being the ones to prosecute him is that they wouldn't be allowed to waterboard or torture him.
Maybe we could also request that they turn him over to other nations for "questioning"

reply to post by anonymousATS


I read your response to my assertions and then ask myself...Why did this person just ask me for credible evidence of Bush's betrayal and then further down the page say Bush is a traitor.

Are we in agreement or disagreement, I cannot figure this out.

I assumed that it is generally understood that all of the powerful political figures belong to secret societies. A topic which is regularly discussed in forums such as this one. It is also understood that these secret societies and its members operate toward a common goal outside of normal day-to-day operations of the Governments they are employees of.

Bush is a well known member of skull and bones, right? So what is his assignment or role? Is it just a social club for a bunch of over priveleged men? I have merely suggested that Bush's role was to betray America; or to lead America down the path of certain destruction. When his assignment was completed he invoked the Gospel of Judas, a document where Judas alleges that he was instructed by Christ to betray him to the Romans. Bush's role was similar to this. What else can explain his happy dance outside the White House before a press conference? He's a man that has a future worth living, that's why. Or, he's lost his mind.

What has happened over the last eight years appears to me to be a set-up embedded within a trap which were embedded into an even bigger trap, the first trap being built by our true enemy and the set-up being fabricated by our fake enemy, George W. Bush, the big unseen trap was built by a military genius or something, whoever it is this guy caught everyone. And at this point of the war is simply toying with the Enemy. Watching as they struggle to come to terms with what has certainly just taken place.

I know many are of the opinion that America is somehow in big trouble, but I see something different and Bush made it possible. So while he did betray us, he did it for a bigger purpose which many people refuse to understand. Because most people are not strategically inclined and make war in the most clumsy fashion.

That is why I am willing to bet money that Bush will NEVER stand trial for anything that has occured. I could be wrong, but then again...Where are the credible charges against him if I am wrong? Oh right, they don't exist.

Hey Iraq had it coming for years and finally got it now its time to spank Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!

Go U.S.A. bomb them all back to the stoneage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


War for Oil is not a crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Beelzebubba

Not that it really matters. In cases of potential war crimes involving US administrations (and there have been plenty) how many high ranking decision makers, have even been indicted let alone convicted?

0, that's how many...

I don't think any of them were anywhere near as bad as Bush.

I really hope that once the Bushies are out of office, we can finally go after them for all the stuff they've pulled.

The signing statements alone are a disgusting perversion of their intended purpose. Other presidents have asked for a line-item veto - King George just gave it to himself.

Originally posted by unnamedninja
If torturing suspected terrorists was not illegal when Bush was giving the thumbs up, I fail to see how he can be prosecuted for it.

It wasn't illegal only because he had his people make it legal.

Hmmmm.... kind of like this whole "pre-pardon" thing, come to think of it.

Originally posted by Nightflyer28

Originally posted by unnamedninja
If torturing suspected terrorists was not illegal when Bush was giving the thumbs up, I fail to see how he can be prosecuted for it.

It wasn't illegal only because he had his people make it legal.

Well I'm not disputing that. Point is that they have already covered their asses by waterboarding people in the airspace of countries where torture is okie dokie. This is just additional ass covering. Bush is never going to see the inside of the hague.

reply to post by unnamedninja


When people who we are in conflict with use the Geneva Convention tennents against us and then they themselves ignore those same rules I believe that all bets are off. Those that say 'We should be better than that" aren't the ones getting their heads lopped off or being blown up by combatants with no uniform and no rules. Should the Hague ever try to bring the POTUS up for any crimes before the bar that they might perceive they are cuting their own throats.

Zindo

reply to post by NASTY LAWLESS


WOW im hoping your post is completely sarcastic but judging by the lack of intellegent thought in said post im guessing not.

Not to be rude or anything but its backwater "bomb them back to the stoneage" ideologies that have torn the human race apart since its inception. The number of people thinking your way is dropping by the day. Your dominiring demenor and rhetoric are obsolite and so are you my friend. Stop polluting society with your noxious tripe.

I just can't wrap my head around this,Bush should be tried for warcrimes!

I cannot wrap my head around this,Mr Bush should be tried for treason and warcrimes!! Will faith ever be restored to the American people again?
I hope Obama is up to the task of being all he says he is(fingers crossed)