Very Simple Generator designed by Faraday

Michael Faraday, the Father of modern electricity, designed a generator that could not be any simpler. It's a rotating copper disk, with the edge between the north and south poles of a stationary horseshoe magnet. When the disk rotates, electrons move to the edge of the disk so the edge becomes negatively charged while the disk's axis is positively charged. Faraday built this device and claimed it produced 1,000 amps at 1 volt (which equals 1 kilowatt of power). Find out about this and lots of other cutting edge free energy devices in an 1800 page ebook which can be downloaded from this very informative website www.free-energy-info.co.uk...

I highly recommend it.

awesome info

thank you




on a sidenote, you said 1kw can be generated (1 watt = 0.001 kw)
so i could run a 60watt lightbulb and use only 0.06kw of the 1kw?

thats incredible

gonna have to play with this for sure

[edit on 13-11-2008 by warrenb]

reply to post by warrenb


Glad you liked it. By the way, the disk generator is described in section 13 - 2 of the ebook under the title of Homopolar or "N" machine.

Dang, all I have is dial-up. I'd like to download it. I'll see if I can get somebody to do it for me.

Originally posted by warrenb
on a sidenote, you said 1kw can be generated (1 watt = 0.001 kw)
so i could run a 60watt lightbulb and use only 0.06kw of the 1kw?

No, your(standard) 60watt lightbulb requires 120V to operate. The Homopolar generator(Faraday's invention) will output probably no more than 3V. With 3V, the potential difference wouldn't be enough to move the electrons through the bulb thus you would get no current.

To get it working you would need to find a 3V bulb. You could probably power a whole bunch of those in parallel.

Almost forgot, my thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I downloaded the book, and will be reading it over the next few days. Who knows, there might well be something in there I hadn't considered yet.

reply to post by daniel_g

It's no problem to design a simple circuit to raise the voltage after it is produced. All it takes is an oscillator, an 'H' switch arrangement, and a transformer. You'll need that anyway, since the output would be DC and household electricity is AC.

TheRedneck


[edit on 13-11-2008 by TheRedneck]

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by daniel_g

It's no problem to design a simple circuit to raise the voltage after it is produced. All it takes is an oscillator, an 'H' switch arrangement, and a transformer. You'll need that anyway, since the output would be DC and household electricity is AC.

TheRedneck


[edit on 13-11-2008 by TheRedneck]

True, but then you require unnecessary power loses. Much more efficient to use a 120VAC generator.

A more efficient way of using a 3V generator is in 3V bulbs, maybe for bicicle lights or something..

reply to post by daniel_g


Actually, the prototype that Faraday apparently built could only generate 1 volt but that's with one copper disk. You'll see from the ebook containing the description that there's a proposed design that uses multiple disks at the same time so I suppose in theory if you had 120 disks rotating simultaneously, you could generate 120V current.

A magnet going through a disk with a crank and voltage pickoffs.
Lets see where have I seen this.
My watt-hour meter outside my house.
And the Earth's magnetic field is perpendicular to the rotating disk.
However the disk is aluminum and not a copper disk.
Not to worry, aluminum is a magnetic field reflector and might
be powering the mechanism to go slower or faster due to house
usage.
This is similar to a Tesla demonstration with one wire ac circuits.
Current forming a galaxy like arms formation of current from
center to the edge pick off.
Eric Lerner mentioned the Homopolar motor is involved in Saturn's
rings from it own magnetic field.

It's a great book, thanks for sharing.

Please let me know if any of you has constructed any of these systems!

reply to post by seb2882

I came up with the idea behind the Dale Simpson Gravity Wheel (page 4-11) many years ago, and actually designed and tried to build my version of it. I spent everything I had to have the parts machined professionally, but when I started assembling them, I found I had undersized one part by mistake. When it went, the whole thing tore itself apart like a stack of dominoes falling, while attempting to run. I still have the apparatus.

I was unable to afford a rebuild, but a few years later I did draw up (I am a professional draftsman as well as a trucker) plans for a rebuild on a slightly superior design. I even included mathematical proof of operation by algebraically analyzing the forces in order to calculate torque on the output shaft and used calculus to sum all of those individual forces together. It does require a flywheel to overcome 'dead zones' in the rotation, but the total output was even higher theoretically than I had expected.

I managed to buy the bearings for that design, but could not afford the machining of the parts. Thus far I have not constructed the newest design, but as I now have a self-contained personal machine shop at my disposal, I may do so in the near future. The reason I have not been more concerned was two other calculations I had made: there is a very high probability that a large enough unit to generate electricity for a typical household would wear itself out within a period of days, due to the lifespan of available commercial bearings; and there is a danger of it flying apart with explosive force due to the high output and severe centrifugal forces acting on the components.

One difference: my design did not use springs. 'Nuff said.

The Dale Simpson Hinged-Plate System (page 4-14) will not work. There is no torque turning the system; rather a balance of weight alone on each side of the belt. Therefore the moment distance is not applicable as calculated.

There may be ways to adjust the design to overcome this, but a vertical belt system will simply not work.

I am not sure about the other units described in section 4.

The biggest surprise I had was in section 1, the magnetic motors. There are some very good insights and very good designs there that appear to have a high likelihood of operating as described. I am only recently able to do any experimentation on magnetic possibilities.

That's all I really have so far, still going through the book. This thread needed a bump though, and your question seemed like a good excuse to do so.

TheRedneck

Yes, there's a lot of interesting stuff in this ebook, including a tantalizing description of an anti-gravity device just before you get to the appendices. I also liked the chapter that explains basic electronics.

I got a cousin to download it for me with his high speed. The Faraday device is listed under doubtful devices. There is a lot of good info to go over. Can't wait till I have time to go through the whole thing.

The reason why the Faraday generator is listed under the chapter heading of doubtful devices isn't that it doesn't work, it's because of the difficulty in making use of the electricity over a long period of time. Something having to do with contact brushes that wear out over time. My reaction when I read that, was to change it so that the copper disk remains stationary and the horseshoe magnet rotates. That way copper wires can be connected to the edge and center of the disk with permanent connections that don't rely on brushes.

reply to post by Studenofhistory


In that case you have designed a gravitomagnetic motor.

I am considering what would happen if conductors were set rotating next to instead of through a magnetic field axis. Would they continue to rotate? Hmm.

That's great, TheRedneck! I'm not home right now so I can't make a lot of stuff, I read this book a bit and it's great to see people like you working on this stuff. I have an electronics background so some stuff seem plausible to me.
When I have the time and resources to do any of this, I'll post. Meanwhile I encourage everyone to try it and post your progress!

[edit on 19-11-2008 by seb2882]

that's a neat thing, isn't it?

did you know that some submarines use this type of machine (homopolar motor and generator) because it does not cause vibrations like AC designs?

the least developed, but potentially most advanced system is the Superconducting Homopolar Motor (SCHM) being developed by General Atomics. The SCHM is a DC motor, affording much reduced acoustic signatures, while still producing full torque at low speeds, making the technology ideal for submarines.

www.janes.com...

strange how this is supposedly advanced - it's actually a very simple design.don't get overly excited, though, AC transimission is way more efficient because you don't need return leads...

[edit on 2008.11.19 by Long Lance]

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Im an arm chair cat, and that is being generous, but i have wondered about taking 2 magnets and lining them in an array to create perpetual motion, and possibly using it to power a generator/turbine.

if you have something like magnetic fan blades, each on a slight tilt, with the south poles pointing down, and you place it over another magnet with its south pole facing up, then maybe you could spin the blade by sheer magnetic "resistance?" here is a crappy mock vid

reply to post by drsmooth23

I have considered similar arrangements, but have not yet been able to verify the veracity of my ideas through actual prototyping. The e-book also covers this, with the John Bedini Magnetic Motor (pages 1-9 and 1-10) and the Howard Johnson Magnetic Motor (page 1-15 thru 1-17).

My question is this: why are you sitting in that armchair? Get out and build something, man! Here's my source for Neodymium magnets to get you started: www.kjmagnetics.com...

TheRedneck

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haha, i understand. there are alot of pretzel crumbs in my cushions so It might be a good idea to stand up once in a while.

In the PDF i see that most continuous magnetic devices create direct current, due to one solid rotating motion. Isn't AC "better?" maybe we could make a pendulum type device, powered by permanent magnets that might have the ability to produce AC.

I have another idea, but it is 100 times harder to model in 'Bryce 5', so bear with me:

its essentially a giant ball, with thousands of magnets styled like type writer keys. you have some magnetic hoops arranged on the X,Y, and Z axis, sligtly outside the diameter of the ball, and then you just give the ball one good spin and it creates like clicks of the ball magnets getting pushed in while near the axis/fields. I dont know of a configuration that would propel it into perpetual motion, but MAYBE(?) the simple act of depressing and then repressing the "keys" to their original position might help create motion.

either way your avatar is awesome!