New Analysis of Oswald’s Backyard Photo – JFK Assassination

Originally posted by jhotrod
I have noticed two strange things about the photo as well:

1. Oswalds shadow on the ground has a light area (triangle or paralleleogram) piercing the shadow at where the shadow of his neck or head should be. It could be caustics reflecting of a glass pane, but it looks very strange. The round black spot which i assumed to be the head shadow could be dug up dirt of something planted i don't really know.
EDIT: this could be a rectangular piece of plastic foil lying on the ground

2. This is the spooky part. Look at the right side of the photo. Under the stairs. There is a window where you can see the outline of a blurred figure. Really strange.
EDIT: This thing goes OVER the vertical piece of wood in the middle of the window. WHAT IS IT. It scares me, lol.



[edit on 13-11-2008 by jhotrod]

So I went to look at the photo during the reading of your post, clicked on that area of the photo, noticed WTF!! and then someone came online on instant messenger and my computer let out a "skeet" noise, and I almost crapped myself!

Thanks for the "Chill" that just went down my spine!!

This thread has got to be one of the more interesring I have ever read. The arguement is sound. To the naked eye even there are plenty of oddities to be seen in the photo. My 8 year old, who I gave no info on what to look for spotted the figure in the window, the odd shape and pressence of light in the head portion of the shadow and noted to me that the hand holding the rifle seemed to look faked. She also pointed out that the outside of Oswalds right shoe appeared too sharp in comparison with the rest of him like someone had cut it out or cut something out of the frame there. I had to agree considering there is a slight blur or softening where the rest of Oswald stops and the background starts. May be nothing but thats what we saw with the naked eye.

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Great job, I've never seen a post with so many flags!
I've never heard of this theory, I don't know much about the JFK assassination but you seem to have brought up an excellent argument

Flag & Star

Good observation & research.

I've always had my doubts about these pictures. They were literally another nail in Oswald's coffin. Without them the lone nutter theory would have been more difficult to sell to the American public.

While I was reading the posts of this thread I came up with an idea. If a 3D representation of the scene was created in a 3D modeling program that allows you to move the light source to any position then it should be pretty easy to prove whether the scene is a legitimate picture or not. The stairs on the left side of the picture would make an excellent reference point. If the shadows of the stairs matched then the shadows for the person standing there should match too.

I tried creating a model in Google Sketch up but unfortunately I discovered that the software doesn't allow changes in lighting. Hopefully, someone with the right software will catch on to the idea and be able to complete it.

Excellent research,
this thread got me thinking about the whole JFK assassination conspiracy again, and the oddities in the images that we have available to us.


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Ya know, that is a good idea you have there, I'm curious if it has even been attempted... (with modern softwares I would think so) and to what level one would have to go to recreate that sort of scene in a 3d modeler.

There is a little app called Blender that might be useful in such an experiment, who knows, but it could work.


cheers,
T-

Very interesting read indeed. Original piece of research. I hope it gets published. I will flag this one.

Double post - edit

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I don't think that could be done in a correct way, for that we would need to know the exact positions and sizes of the objects, that is the only way of getting accurate shadows.

Very nice work. There is certainly something with the hand holding the newspapers. Notice how different it is from the other when embossed.


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[edit on 16-11-2008 by DrVolin]

Fantastic piece of work OP. I'm usually rather skeptical about a lot of threads on this site, but you have me convinced with this one.

@ DrVolin: The difference is striking when you look at it embossed. His right hand is huge compared to his left!

Sorry, double post.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by TylerKing]

Originally posted by Hugo Chavezthis is one of the things I also noticed, that his head looked rather large for his body. One of the things I did several years back to check this was to guage his head size to approx shoulder width. I hit a dead end in that direction because the ratio was pretty much the same as the photos of Oswald taken before he was killed. He had a bit of a large head for his frame. and notice his thick neck also corresponts to both the backyard photo and the arrest photo.

Gotcha, but what I was trying to point out was that the head in the right photo is much smaller than the left.




It takes 7 Oswald heads to match his height in the photo on the right and it takes 7 1/2 for the left, even taking perspective into consideration it's still way out of proportion. He wasn't a big guy so his head was a little large compared to his body but the 2 photos should be a lot closer than they are.

We have to remember they didn't have the "scale" tool in Photoshop like we do today.

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reply to post by IvanZana


If it is the original, I'd like to know why the rifle butt is sticking out of his butt.

I think it's more credible he was holding it in his hand rather than anywhere more "covert".

(I notice you say later you created the photo to illustrate how an original may have looked. I noticed the remains of the rifle when I first viewed it.)

Does anyone know the origin of this image?



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never mind

In fact, it is a Composite made in 1991 for the purpose of a scene from the film "JFK" by Oliver Stone (the famous scene suggesting the Backyard manipulation of photos.)

The composite was at the initiative of Robert Groden and Jack White in collaboration with a firm digital photo-composition, "Blanks Engraving, located in Dallas.

The photo used as a basis for the realization of this composite is an excellent copy of the backyard photo CE-133A that belonged to George De Mohrenschildt.

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[edit on 18-11-2008 by NGC2736]

that is interesting, ties in pretty well, this kennedy thing doesn't get enough attention anymore. this thread has been a revelation to me, it's amazing how much better they are at pulling this stuff 40 years later.

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Indeed it does tie in well. We start to see a scene where everything is stacked to assure that Oswald is firmly planted in everyone's mind as "the killer." Here we have a man who drove LHO to work with his package, and him and his wife, then and now, said it was too short to be a rifle. Yet the Warren Commission passed over this by saying these witnesses were "mistaken".

They had the picture, possibly reworked, and they had someone who saw him with a package, though the rest of their testimony was supposedly in error, (because it didn't fit the plan to make LHO the assassin.). It shows, as they say in court, motivation to have tampered with the picture, IMO.

it certainly gives obvious motivation and just as importantly for a newbie to the conspiracy, like me, it gives us a very clear insight into the attitude of the people involved in the warren commission.

another interesting note for me is that this man and his wife corroborated the curtain rail story oswald offered, but were still ignored. it's interesting. okay, they heard the story from osward but.................."what exactly do you want a rifle shaped curtain pole for?"......................... it would have been an obvious question, no amount of brown paper would make me mistake that rifle for a curtain pole.

i'll also mention that i think this family should have a statue erected in their honor. clearly there was no strong bonds of fealty between this man, his wife and oswald, yet despite the pressure they were clearly under and the intimidation they probably suffered they have remained true to their initial assessment of the package because it is honestly the way they remember it.




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Yes, it's not many people that can't be cowed by a body such as the Warren Commission, And to have remained true to their testimony for 45 years means these are people I would trust a lot more than the politicians and government.

"Excellence!!" that is the only word for this thread!!

I have not read every post of this thread, but was wondering about what was initially said about the scaling of the "Suposed" doctor up picks, looks as if you have found something that was over looked by others and would be crucial to the powers that be as a cover up, and then I was wondring about the gun pictured with Oswald compared to the photo that was taken at the depository. Found the news erlease picture of the finding of the gun, just don't have th etech you do to compare them.



By all actual points of view, the guns should be the same size.
There are boxes next to the man holding the gun, not sure of there over all size, but with the work you have done so far, "I am sure you can figure it out."

I am curious if there are descreptancies in the two different photo's of the same gun..

Just seen my post and made a mistake about the boxes, but there is a clock? boxy thing? behind him that may sufice for closer analogy.

also found this with the search, don't know if it will help, but here it is.

List of on-line Warren Commission Exhibits

mcadams.posc.mu.edu...

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