Palin thought Africa Was A Country - Confirmed HOAX

Originally posted by GamerGal
Wrong again! Former McCain aide, Martin Eisenstadt did it. www.eisenstadtgroup.com... And he even says he's proud of it! So again, Top McCain Aide says it, Fox News runs the story, and now you and your ilk are calling McCain and Fox News evil liberal democrats.

Ummm.. NYTimes is saying Eisenstadt is a hoax...

NY Times

Trouble is, Martin Eisenstadt doesn’t exist. His blog does, but it’s a put-on. The think tank where he is a senior fellow — the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy — is just a Web site. The TV clips of him on YouTube are fakes.

And the claim of credit for the Africa anecdote is just the latest ruse by Eisenstadt, who turns out to be a very elaborate hoax that has been going on for months.

Now a pair of obscure filmmakers say they created Martin Eisenstadt to help them pitch a TV show based on the character.

So it seems like they fooled alot of folks..

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius

 

Maybe because the Palling Around with Terrorists came from the opponent? "X says Y eats babies!" Do you expect the MSM to run with it? While "Insider source who works for X says X's VP is an idiot." Which one seems more reliable? Especially when it turns out to be the Senior Top Head Chief Decider guy.

Or maybe because access to proof was blocked.

We had two incidents where someone was going to try and explain the Obama/palling around with terrorists link and in both cases, odd things happened:

1. Stanley Kurtz, assured that he would have access to the public files regarding the Chicago Annenberg Challenge which were being kept in the public library at the University of Illinois, was suddenly denied access for one week. The explanations as to why kept changing. When he was able to examine the files, he noted that papers appeared to be missing.

2. The LA times refused to release video showing Obama at a party with accused PLO operative Rashid Khalidi even though they ran a story about the video in April 2008.

reply to post by Irish M1ck

Absolutely untrue. CNN, MSNBC, and all of the "liberal" media talked incessantly about the "palling around with terrorist" incident.

What you seem unable to realize is that the CNN, MSNBC coverage was done in order to DEBUNK that criticism In the case of Palin, the media perpetuated the rumor by reporting it without investigating. They did not report on it to debunk it.

For example, look at the CNN article in the google link you provided.

www.cnn.com...

CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

You see? CNN decided there was nothing inappropriate. The whole piece is a means to that end.

Its a simple distinction that extremely partisan people usually cant, or wont admit. Its the reason we have such a dishonest, biased media.


[edit on 13-11-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius


Probably most of it, but coverage is coverage. Every time they aired it, someone who hadn't previously heard of it now had. You said they didn't cover it.

Why would they give it credence? It's a ridiculous assertion, just as these Palin ones always have been. If Fox wasn't smart enough to debunk these claims then that is their problem.

Even I was saying that they were most likely not true, and if true, irrelevant. I posted it on this board, as a matter of fact.

Attacks on Palin Ploy for Sympathy

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
As someone pointed out earlier, it's not the democrats. Most attacks on Palin haven't been from the democrats.

That being said, I immensely dislike Palin. However, the recent attacks on her have been unfair. The clothing attacks for instance... stupid. The attack on her saying she didn't know Africa was a continent... stupid (though good payback for those who attacked Obama on his comment about how many states were in the US).

Everyone makes verbal gaffs. It happens. The election is over, and the mudslinging continues.

On a positive note, I am pretty sure Rush Limbaugh will spontaneously combust on Inauguration Day.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]

Originally posted by Frogs

Originally posted by GamerGal
Wrong again! Former McCain aide, Martin Eisenstadt did it. www.eisenstadtgroup.com... And he even says he's proud of it! So again, Top McCain Aide says it, Fox News runs the story, and now you and your ilk are calling McCain and Fox News evil liberal democrats.

Ummm.. NYTimes is saying Eisenstadt is a hoax...

NY Times

Trouble is, Martin Eisenstadt doesn’t exist. His blog does, but it’s a put-on. The think tank where he is a senior fellow — the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy — is just a Web site. The TV clips of him on YouTube are fakes.

And the claim of credit for the Africa anecdote is just the latest ruse by Eisenstadt, who turns out to be a very elaborate hoax that has been going on for months.

Now a pair of obscure filmmakers say they created Martin Eisenstadt to help them pitch a TV show based on the character.

So it seems like they fooled alot of folks..

Bingo! And again, GamerGal, at the time the ORIGINAL story ran THEY DID NOT QUOTE Eisenstadt. They quoted an ANONYMOUS McCain Aide.

reply to post by Irish M1ck

Probably most of it, but coverage is coverage. Every time they aired it, someone who hadn't previously heard of it now had. You said they didn't cover it.

Now you're getting it. Since a left winger and a left wing media decides there is nothing to it, its dismissed by a like minded left wing media. Yet in this case many of us were saying there is nothing to it and were ignored by both the left wing ATS members and the left wing media. It was printed and talked about for a week straight and now we find out it was a hoax.....

At some point you have to realize that your partisan beliefs aren't the basis for all truth.

reply to post by Frogs

Ummm.. NYTimes is saying Eisenstadt is a hoax...

Yeah, I posted that in a separate thread. The whole group was a fraud.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]

reply to post by sos37


And as I said the fox news guy confirmed it wasn't him that fed him these lines. He was embedded in the McCain campaign at least since August. Why would he be reporting some low level guy he never heard of? He said it was senior aides and multiple sources. The hoax is just that a hoax, he was never this anonymous deep throat in the campaign.

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius


I edited my post to add more, which possibly you should read. The left wing attacks the right wing and defends it's own actions, and the right wing does the same.

I don't get involved in that and I call them like I see them (as you can see from my above post). I never bought into any of the Palin attacks and didn't care.

I had my own reasons for disliking Palin, just as I had my own reasons for liking Obama.

www.abovetopsecret.com... Once again, the guy was a top McCain Aide, and not anon. Get over it. FOX NEWS is not liberal, nor is McCain. Also, Rashid was funded by McCain before Obama met him, one reason not to bring it up. And Ayers worked closely with the GOP on the charity board and worked with RR's close personal friend. Another reason not to bring it up. The whole not casting a stone if you sinned, even more when you sinned first.

reply to post by Irish M1ck

I edited my post to add more, which possibly you should read. The left wing attacks the right wing and defends it's own actions, and the right wing does the same.

Agreed, but one side has a hell of lot more power and influence. Thats a problem when such a juggernaut of power is completely in the tank for a government ran by the same like minded people. Thats my point.

The left controls most all of the media in this country. When they spend all their time deflecting criticisms of democrats and pushing hoaxes as truth to smear people in the minority party, there is a serious problem.

reply to post by djpaec


That is true. I have heard of magazine that had reporters embedded on both the McCain and Obama side. They didn't report day-to-day events, only for an overall article written at the end of the election.

I heard it second-hand from someone, so I can't validate the claim, nor do I care enough to research it, but they were saying the embedded reporter noticed that the McCain camp didn't plan much. They would just get together one day, think of an idea, throw it out there, and see if it stuck. The next day they'd do the same.

It seemed to reflect what we saw the McCain camp doing, which is why I think it might have some validity (even without checking). It would explain why one day it was "Obama pals with terrorists", then it's Joe the Plumber, then it's socialism, etc.

Just grabbing for anything and seeing if it sticks. Anyone else heard this?

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius


Well, I guess that depends. The right does have Fox News and almost all talk radio monopolized. The left has Hollywood, which is a huge advantage of course, musicians, newspapers, and most of the other TV news channels.

So I may to be inclined to agree that the left wing does have a bit more influence based off of those factors, but I wouldn't say it's enormously huge. People know where to go to get the news that they want to hear.

reply to post by Irish M1ck


Yeah McCain said it during the debate, it was somewhere along the lines of.
Obama is a fancy talker, he's like jello you can't nail him to the wall and make anything stick.

Something along those lines. When he said it I was pretty dumb struck cause he just put out his whole campaign strategy right there.

reply to post by GamerGal


Um, GamerGal, read the OP, the whole point of this thread is that the source you are citing is a now known and recognised hoax, he was made up, not real, a fictional character, a joke who made up, invented, created, scripted stories which weren't true.

Except your topic title is misleading. Don't you think there was a reason they hid Palin from the press for so long. She thought the VP was in charge of the Senate! Didn't she know that's Reids job, A guy the campaign was railing against?

Originally posted by Supercertari
Um, GamerGal, read the OP, the whole point of this thread is that the source you are citing is a now known and recognised hoax, he was made up, not real, a fictional character, a joke who made up, invented, created, scripted stories which weren't true.

From some strange reason I am reminded of the movie "Cool Hand Luke" and words of the Captain..

"What we have here...is a failure to communicate."

reply to post by djpaec


How is the title remotely misleading? The article and thread is about the 'Africa is a country' ordeal- not anything else. The title seems pretty appropriate. Am I missing something?

Originally posted by djpaec
Except your topic title is misleading. Don't you think there was a reason they hid Palin from the press for so long. She thought the VP was in charge of the Senate! Didn't she know that's Reids job, A guy the campaign was railing against?

What's misleading about "Palin thought Africa Was A Country - Confirmed HOAX", that she thought this has been confirmed to be a hoax.

The VP is President of the Senate with a deciding vote where the Senate is equally divided (Ref. US Constitution Art 1, Sec 3). Harry Reid is the US Senate Majority Leader.

reply to post by AshleyD

The hoaxer claimed to be the source. Several news outlets said, and I quote, 'Senior campaign advisors'. The guy didn't even pose as a senior campaign advisor. And the only one in the campaign with even a remotely close name, was far from senior campaign advisor.

I'll say it again, these reporters were embeded in the camapaign at least since the convention, and probably further back. Why would they be talking to a guy that had a blog? When they had campaign aides RIGHT THERE.