Adam & Eve had tails? Someone answer these:

reply to post by noobfun

As much as I love hearing someone say Global Warming is not about science, it actually is. It is science being used to tell me what I can drive, what temperature to set my thermostat, how much money to fork over and to whom, etc.

Hitler's atrocities were political as well, justified and amplified by religious beliefs just as Al Gore's proposals are politics justified and amplified by science.

The Spanish Inquisition was political as well, seeing that Spain was a theocracy at the time.

The Crusades were political, an attempt to placate the pilgrims en route to Jerusalem. Again, justified and amplified by religion.

The one thing all of these attempts at control have in common is not religion, but politics. Politics is the science of accumulating power to control others. I suggest you look directly in front of you instead of searching through back rooms looking for those darn religious people.

TheRedneck

My understanding of Genesis is that God created the heavens and earth and all the creatures of the sea, land and air. At this time he also created "humankind"
27So God created humankind* in his image,
in the image of God he created them;*
male and female he created them.
THEN he created Adam and Eve. I remember a distinct difference in the wording as "sons of man" and "sons of God"

When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. 3Then the Lord said, ‘My spirit shall not abide* in mortals for ever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred and twenty years.’ 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterwards—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

Ok so there ya go ...you all are admitting that your beasts (In the image of a beast)........and of course we (The rest of us) are HUMANS>created after the image of GOD >

Case closed I guess ..next ?

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

The concept of vestigial organs even resulted in cases of “evolutionary medical malpractice.” Young children once had their healthy (and helpful, disease-fighting) tonsils removed because of the widespread belief that they were only useless vestiges. That idea actually slowed down scientific research for many years. If you believe something is a useless, non-functional leftover of evolution, then you don’t bother to find out what it does. Fortunately, other scientists didn’t take that view. Sure enough, studies have shown that essentially all 180 organs once listed as evolutionary vestiges have significant functions in human beings.

www.answersingenesis.org...

Hey there guys ... got into this one a bit late ... but I will respond as I read through all the posts.

BW - I respect your attention to detail and tenacity with your arguments.

However, from this day forth any and all evidence that is presented for argument that references or sites Answers in Genesis as it source will be ignored and deemed irrelevant due to the premise that said web-site uses for the information that is posts and claims as fact.

No apparent, perceived, or claimed interpretation of evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.

Source

To ignore clear tested, and proven evidence and to put such restrictions on evidence and research violates the basic premise of the idea of research, knowledge and truth.

Accordingly, any other web-site that uses this statement of faith will also be ignored and deemed irrelevant.

I am sure that you, Bigwhammy, can see the irrationality of such a statement by AiG and others, and, as a truth seeker, must considered evidence from such sites as being fundamentally flawed and therefore unusable in intelligent debate, despite any personal philosophical beliefs that may echo or parallel this statement.

If, as you say, there is clear, tested and proven evidence out there that can be used to prove the Scriptural records version of the creation of life and the universe or similar theories for creation and abiogenesis, then I am sure that this evidence can be sourced from a secular web-site.

I am looking forward to seeing it!

Edit - I should point out that this applies to anyone who posts using AiG or sites with similar statements of faith ... not just Bigwhammy


[edit on 13/11/08 by Horza]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Ok so there ya go ...you all are admitting that your beasts

do we get one of those made by god special banana's too? the ones that prove evolution wrong

you know the ones that tell you when they are good to eat by going yellow

come in thier own wrapper so no need for a napkin

have an easy access split

fits perfectly in your hand

and is even curved towards your mouth(unless you hold it backwards but your just bieng silly then)

i can sit in a tree and eat it while i wait for my tail to grow

It's almost sad that creationist never once can win.. in all the years ive read about their stuff and seen their videos, posts and discussions..they always..ALWAYS come out loosing with their arguments and proof.

But people who have set their mind on something wont be changed easily, thats for sure.. one lesson learned there. Thats why we should continiue to fight against their illusions.. so that they may learn about the REAL world, and not the fantasy world...

Ok hows this ...maybe the men of renown (fallen angels who were the Sons of God ) and satan could have evolved from animals ..maybe thats how the Sons of God (fallen angels) became men ....and made children with the daughters of men ......with scientific experiments ...just like they are still doing now ..(genetically altering dna) .....


So maybe yall are right and some of you did evolve from an animal (satan may have used the beasts of the field to do these experiments with then) .....and are the children of these children ...the seed that the enemy hath sown ..
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Notice it says they were OF OLD (ancients ...from everlasting (Angelic beings)
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

reply to post by minniesoda


A'Dam is actually the name given to the Flesh, but the Name Man, was Not the flesh but the writings have been corrupted by humankind as a result of envy and the desire to be like the Soul or a Son of God.

So A'Dam (or is it A Dammed or the Dammed or the fallen one????) was the primate.

If any of us look in the mirror we see a Primate don't we! LOL..

Note: Cain was Born of The Wicked One So The Wicked One is Cain's Father and Not A'Dam.

The Crime was Never eating an apple, but It was Eve Committing Adultery with the Wicked One whose Name can be found in the Books of E'Noch. So when A'Dam copulated with Eve after this He became an Adulterer too.

Look it is so obvious why are people in such denial perhaps it is fear of their origin and their fate?

It was The Genetic Cross with the Alien, or Wicked One, that caused Eve to Die, and A'Dam to Die, and everyone after them to Die.

It is This Genetic Invasion of The Species that Gives you Illness, Confusion of thought (No longer knowing the Truth) and Death.

If you read in the Books of E'Noch which there is a Quote from the Books of E'Noch in The Book of Jude in your bible, you will find all the names of the leaders that came to the Earth and Stole the females of Earth and the begat children many grew into giants because the DNA were so corrupted as a result of this cross breeding between the Primate and the Aliens.

And the Aliens corrupted all birds animals plants etc with their Corrupt technology having no Regard for Life!

So humankind, is a cross between the Primate A'Dam and the Aliens, which there are 200 different species, that crossed with the Primate back then.

This is what is meant by taking up your Cross, and Following the Christ in your Soul.

In other words bearing your fate having this genetic corruption in our DNA...

But the Soul is Not what people believe it to be today.


But Man, and The Son of Man and The Man Child, is the Soul and Not the Primate.

The Matrix Map in my Avatar, is known as "The Man Child". But is also known as The City as well as The Son of Man.

You can find this described in the Book of Ezekiel Chapter 40 onwards for the description and in the Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ.








[edit on 13-11-2008 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
The real problem is the inability to say i don't know. There are many questions left unanswered in the case for intelligent design. There are also many gaps in the fossil record which atleast at this time make it impossible to PROVE macro evolution. If anyone were to find a single fossil showing a transitionaly evolving animal linking the old to the new it would be a different story. As of now the fossil record shows evidence of micro evolution, but also seems to show spontaneous creation and extinction, when all the missing links are thrown out the window. An open mind, and willingness to look at dissenting information from the status quo, will bring us all that much closer to the truth. Teaching theory as fact it not the way to go, and before anyone wants to bash that crazy creationist, realize first that your firm belief in evolution is also faith based.

nice post!

Originally posted by Daniem
It's almost sad that creationist never once can win.. in all the years ive read about their stuff and seen their videos, posts and discussions..they always..ALWAYS come out loosing with their arguments and proof.

But people who have set their mind on something wont be changed easily, thats for sure.. one lesson learned there. Thats why we should continiue to fight against their illusions.. so that they may learn about the REAL world, and not the fantasy world...

Look denial of Life is the greatest deception of all, but in the End The True Mind always Wins.

The True Mind,which your Consciousness or mind is a droplet of, always wins in the end.

The primate, goes into the Ground from whence it came.

So why war against Life or Consciousness???

The Primate, becomes Silent in the End and Rots in the Ground.

But Life Goes On, so I guess Life Wins every Time doesn't it now?????.

Even my body or flesh or Primate, will be silenced and rot in the Ground, So I guess Life winds again, and So What have you achieved????

Nothing at All.

The Flesh is Vanity, even mine, But as for Me that is the Living Me or Consciousness and Not the Flesh will remain for ever.

And I will see the flesh, I once had, pass away through the bellies of worms.

So you See, You can't win, but only Life will remain without Your Flesh, and my flesh, so who is in a fantasy?????

Yes You've got it it is our Flesh or the Primate... LOL...

This includes Your Flesh and My Flesh too.

reply to post by TheRedneck

no its about polotics misusing the answers science found

science says all cars are bad for the enviroment, its the politicians that decide that your favorite brand is the demon spawn of FORD of GMC

they also say emissions from all industry is bad, its the politions that decide how much is to much for each type of company and

they also say its more important to stop cutting down all the tree's and poluting the sea cutting down how much the earth can absorb which is most of the problem in the first place

religeon and politics use and misuse each otehr as both sides see fit

science gets used and missued by both, but isnt an entity able to use/misuse religeon or politics

science concerns its self with finding answers and ways to use those answers (often under politcal guidance) its the politics that later demand how much or what type of thier findings to enforce on everyone else

Originally posted by amazing
nice post!

not really

There are also many gaps in the fossil record which atleast at this time make it impossible to PROVE macro evolution.

except for whales? where we have a rediculous amount of species undergoing macro evolution to become modern whales from 4 legged land loving creatures

theres a few small(and i mean small)holes in it but not enough to go deny it unless you ignore most of the fossils in it

and the whale fossil record isnt the only one, we have palentologists arguing if somthing should be a mammal like reptile or a reptile like mammal, we have so many transitional species in the proicess of macro evolution we cant decide whats reptile or mammal anymore the lines are to blurry

If anyone were to find a single fossil showing a transitionaly evolving animal linking the old to the new it would be a different story

will a few thousand do? we have them, any youd like in perticular ill look a bunch up for you

As of now the fossil record shows evidence of micro evolution,

well at least he got this right

but also seems to show spontaneous creation

you must have a different fossil record to the rest of us .... or just gaps in you knowledge it shows the complete opposite

and extinction,

dying sponatiously from having a huge rock hit the earth, or other recorded and testable massive enviromental changing factors killing of lots of species its shocking

As of now the fossil record shows evidence of micro evolution, but also seems to show spontaneous creation and extinction, when all the missing links are thrown out the window

? throw all the transitional fossils we have out the window and yes there will be big holes and things may appear to spontaniously appear .... but whats the chances science will do that? it might be fun to forget it and learn it all over again but i dought they will

Teaching theory as fact it not the way to go

your absolutley right unless its a scientific theory which is a testable repeatable group of facts held in a carry all bag we call a scientific theory like the gravity bag, the evolution bag, the relativity bag to name a few

and before anyone wants to bash that crazy creationist, realize first that your firm belief in evolution is also faith based.

faith means beleif without proof/evidence/facts, evolution is a unifying theory of facts and evidence .. with a no faith allowed sticker on the front

so faith made of facts isnt faith, guess you just green lighted some more bashing of the *and i quote*crazy creationist(id have added an s theres more then one)




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reply to post by noobfun

You're splitting hairs here...

Regardless of what ideology is at the basis of corruption, it is by definition a political act which institutes the control issue. The Christian religion, which follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, is based on forgiveness and love for all mankind. Yet the meaning can be twisted, individual verses can be misrepresented or taken out of context to turn it into a horrible monstrosity of evil. Science concerns itself with the understanding of the universe around us. But if taken out of context or misrepresented, scientific findings may be used to enact control over the masses and discriminate against members of society just as easily as any religious text can.

The only difference between using religion and using science is the name of the excuse used to enact control. In every case, bar none, politics, the science of controlling populations, is the commonality.

Do you really believe the Rev. Jesse Jackson is primarily religious? No, he is political. That's why he's on the news so much instead of in church. George Bush? Religious? Puh-leeze! He's purely political, despite using religion as a tool. How about Jesse Duplantis? Who? Oh, that's right... he is religious, an evangelist who preaches love and devotion to God as opposed to politics. You never hear of him. Nikola Tesla? On this site, most people know the name, but in public, they think of the band that adopted his name. He didn't get involved with politics, but preferred science.

Politics is all about control and abuse. Religion and science are both trying to mind their business and both tend to get used by politicians in their dirty little games.

TheRedneck

reply to post by Simplynoone
but does this still mean the devil had to hide a bunch of fossil bones in a giant easter egg hunt game we call palentology and anthropology?

and if my genetic code(the spawn of the devil) and your genetic code(the spawn of the ever loving) are identical

our physiology is identicule

our psychology is identicle

in fact we are pretty much identical in every aspect of construction and capability

could it be we are from the same source and as we can track that back could it be evoultion is the creator not a beardman?

and if some of us are evil incarnate as you suggest then how come we can all gain entry to heaven, surley god and jesus dont want the evil ones we might make divits on his holy golf course

reply to post by TheRedneck


o_0

religeon is a control construct
politics is a control construct

science is a finding stuff out construct

religeon controls politics with its views, politics controls religeon with its views

science cant control any one, if it did it wouldnt be science it would be politics or religeon pretending to be science

Politics is all about control and abuse

you have read the bible? its all about control and in many cases people get abused becasue they wouldnt adhere to its control

i do love the your taking it out of context anytime it disagree's with your personal philosophy, if your gonna do it dont be all half hearted go on beleive all the bible says and do all the bible says

it just means the moral highground will be a bigger fall when someone decided to jump of it and into religeon



[edit on 14/11/08 by noobfun]

redneck you're missing the point that he's trying to make, he clearly agrees with you that politics is the underlying control mechanism, however he's stating that religion is also a control mechanism on it's own, whereas pure science is a quest for factual data. Politics may abuse scientific discoveries, but science itself does not seek to control the masses.

[and if some of us are evil incarnate as you suggest then how come we can all gain entry to heaven, surley god and jesus dont want the evil ones we might make divits on his holy golf course]

I believe God gives evil angels a chance too ..
Because even they will be judged .
1Cr 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

The word says any and all who will come can come ...
All are invited .....
It is his desire that all come to him ..

If God can give man so many chances why wouldnt he also give those angels chances ?

How do you know that some of them did not regret following satan once they were all kicked out of heaven ? maybe there is SOME truths to the new age stuff where there are two classes of supposed aliens ...(One group who do want to help mankind and the other who do not ) .....
You just never know ...

If we can have change of heart towards God ..so can they ....

They could be these angels
Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by Simplynoone]

reply to post by whiterabbit85

He's missing my point as well. When religion is used as politics, it becomes, in essence, politics. Religion (Christianity anyway, can't speak for the others) is not about controlling anything outside oneself.

noobfun, you've indeed made some very good points about archeology and paleontology. I salute you for that, as you are apparently well-versed in the two. Yet, why do you feel the need to make such a sweeping generalization that contradicts the very edicts as written of the subject you address, and attempt to deny the fact that both science and religion can be misused?

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


Religion has been used as a form of crowd control for as long as it has existed. I was raised christian until I was old enough to realise it was nothing but a cult.

You cant eat meat on good friday(was originally every friday, due to a cattle shortage, but they decided to incorporate it into thier religion)

You cant have sex before marriage (would you buy a car without test driving it?...)

You can't work on a certain day, you can't aspire to have what someone else has...

seriously, religion isn't set up to control people?




[edit on 14-11-2008 by whiterabbit85]