Beware of some "Alien Messages", Hell's Gates, and other "phenomena" in ATS.

Deny Ignorance? Is that the purpose of ATS?
Yet, the level of one-sided "information" is no longer tolerable, at least for those who are seeking to truly inform, learn and grow.

I have been participating in ATS for a couple of months now, and my alarm at the level of sensationalistic "info", paired with gross overall ignorance of some basic facts about OUR nature and the nature of reality, make me have to speak out.

While I have no reason to doubt the basic good intentions of some of the posters on these forums, the constant bombardment of alarmist depictions of hidden "realities", and world and universal events to which the general folk at which they are directed have absolutely no power or say, create negative effects that feed the very events these posters want to warn us about.

My point is that a fair and balanced knowledge of the NATURE OF REALITY, as well as HOW THINGS WORK AND WHY, would present an alternative, more sophisticated, and closer-to-the-truth approach for ALL to better understand and process what COULD be going on, and would enable the individual to see just how much power and say each one has over their own life and conditions of existence.

Before I comment on my PERSONAL and DIRECT experience with these supernatural, Alien, and other phenomena, as I say sometimes, without writing the whole book here:

We are IMMORTAL, EVERLASTING beings, and the You that you think you are now is a manifestation, one of so many that the "SOUL", your SOUL is living.
You and the many incarnations of your Soul are SIMULTANEOUS. Time is only an impression of this particular "dimension" in which we PARTLY operate.

All these "parts" ARE YOU, and You are all of these Lives and manifestations of consciousness, of your Soul.

The You that you think you are, in turn, is composed of an infinite number of "Yous", all actualizing and examining all the probabilities of what it means to be You, in an infinite number of venues, universes and other "dimensions".

There are no closed consciousness channels, so you can and SHOULD attempt to communicate with all parts of yourself, all the systems of probabilities where You examine yourself, as well as the other "Lives" your Soul experiences.

I repeat: ALL OF THESE ARE YOU, and the only thing that keeps you from communicating with Yourself, of KNOWING Yourself, is your lack of belief or knowledge of the fact that you CAN do it.

These are FACTS that can be easily experienced and ascertained, tried and VERIFIED by ANYBODY, for I am talking about the basics of Human Nature.
This is your birthright, your own Self to know and "develop".

The Establishment has long tried to keep people away from this basic knowledge about themselves, to use and sway Humanity for their own temporal and measly purposes.

But ONCE you know WHO and WHAT YOU ARE, there is little chance that you can ever again feel at the mercy of anybody or any event, for You will understand that YOU create your reality, as surely as I write this.

A simple understanding and desire of getting to know Yourself and the collective "realities" that WE create for our learning purposes, CAN and WILL bring to better place and put into perspective the Alien phenomena, the power of TPTB, of the NWO, the "lower" energies, and ALL other phenomena that, as of now, is only serving the purpose of spreading fear and ignorance.

FEAR and IGNORANCE are the real enemy, no matter what section or aspect of Reality you deal with, for no matter what happens, the fact remains that You are eternal, ever searching and capable. No matter what, no one will forever remain in ignorance or fear.

It is time that Humanity, that You as in individual, begin to realize your own everlasting nature, your power and place in OUR creation, and just how you can affect and direct your life and others for the greater Goods that are being denied out of ignorance.

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In a separate thread, or on this one, depending on the response to a more leveled account, I will discuss, as said before, my PERSONAL and DIRECT contacts and experiences, as well as the consequences of those direct contacts.

This would be to better illustrate some of the consequences of what I am saying, because what I have seen, what I know, is available to ANYBODY interested in getting to know Themselves and the "reality" we dwell in.

reply to post by citizenc
Hi Citizenc

I look forward to reading your experiences and what you have learned.

The title for this thread is a little disheartening though, I mean, you seem to imply that all others should be discounted as untrue, but that you KNOW the truth. Couldn't you change the thread title to something like, "My Experiences and What I Have Learned? We are able to read the other threads and discern their validity for ourselves, thank you. Starting a thread on a sour note, well, maybe rethink it. I'll edit this out of my post if you decide to change the title so that your thread is off to a good start. 'cause really, I do want to read your experiences and not a lot of static about the title.

Highest regards,

STM

i think you may misunderstand the premise behind the idea of "hell's gate." i believe the actual wording is "heavens gate" or more precisely, "gate of E.DIN", "gate of eden", "gate of chaos", "gate of tiamat", "abzu of tiamat" and to be really precise, "Abzu of Enki"

they are all references to the abyss and the bottomless pit, but also references to the gates of paradise. where the confusion lies is in the conceptualization that the gate only has one destination, when in fact, it has many destinations.



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Just remember that everyone is ignorant, to these matters, and no one knows it all, lol.

But i get where your coming from, but reading most posts i doubt, people take, anything regarding dates etc... on here to seriously(at least they shouldn't).

I see ats as entertainment, though some matters here are serious, most are not, and you take from here what you need.

I wonder about so many dramatic proclamations of "the answer". All seem to espouse the same general concept, that we create our reality (perhaps though it's more accurate to say we create our perception and reaction to it), but then go on to exclude items they find disagreeable.

Not so much a pathway to knowledge, but a pathway to your way.

In a user-created reality every perception is equally true, and equally appropriate a path for the believer, and denying any is contradictory and limiting only to yourself. What they draw from the well; fear, anger, hatred, love, peace, respect... is up to them. As I see it, it isn't a concern of mine what people believe so long as they don't try to contaminate my stream or that of others. And that doesn't happen through words, thoughts, imaginings, dreams. No, contamination comes from action, and by that time telling someone they're wrong is generally of little use.

Ultimately, I think most of us would be better off realizing that our beliefs are simply the material we use to fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle we call life, and that how we act and react has so little to do with those beliefs and so much more to do with feeding and engaging our raw, emotional ego. Each of us has our own puzzle; pieces aren't always compatible. So how can anyone else know what is right or wrong for us?

Starred and Flagged from me so far.
I can't argue with anything you have said In your post thus far.
Please do not start out on some rant about the "lower astrals"
and gates opening up from the underworld.
Please tell me you are not a "gatekeeper" or a "Dungeon Master"
Or anything that sounds like it came from Dungeons and Dragons.
You have me so far though.
I am right there with you.

You have me too. Can't wait for your thread on your experiences.

reply to post by seentoomuch


Thank you for your response.

About the title, Beware is the operative word. The rest are just some of the themes at hand, which are being used to throw around all sorts of uninformed alarmisms and the sort.

I admit that I had to think twice about it, and ironically, went for the alarmist sort of title, to further prove my point.

Glad to hear from you, and hope to get your input soon.

reply to post by undo


Thank you for you clarification.

Though it may not be obvious, the title is not directed at myself, but at the so many that, eager for information, misunderstand already unclear and incomplete accounts, and in the worst of cases, are deliberately misled.

We will see in the future how much real importance those gates would have in the scheme of things, which is one of the points I am trying to make here.

What they draw from the well; fear, anger, hatred, love, peace, respect... is up to them. As I see it, it isn't a concern of mine what people believe so long as they don't try to contaminate my stream or that of others.

Each of us has our own puzzle; pieces aren't always compatible. So how can anyone else know what is right or wrong for us?

I quoted you to illustrate where a part of the problem I am addressing resides.

You see, with a little more acquaintance with how things work at deeper levels, you would see that you analogy about the the streams is more than accurate.

In fact, this very muddying of streams is a part of the problem "nowadays" (for this is also just convention, where at deeper levels things work slightly different), and there is no "contaminating" streams without effects on ALL other ones next to yours, and if we bring this back to global levels, we have the kind of mass "pollution" we see and feel.

The same thing happens on the physical level, where most think that they can eat, drink, drive and be merry and that the effects that each create will eventually be evened out because "everyone else does it". Mass pollution is the result of such thinking.

If you could SEE the effects of your own thoughts and actions, you as an individual would be extremely more careful, more sensitive and loving towards others and the environment where you dwell.

This knowledge is there, at your grasp, all you need to do is want it, and work for it.

Self awareness is NOT for some special people, it is the birthright of ALL HUMAN KIND. It is never late, and it is always the right time to start.

Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
I wonder about so many dramatic proclamations of "the answer". All seem to espouse the same general concept, that we create our reality (perhaps though it's more accurate to say we create our perception and reaction to it), but then go on to exclude items they find disagreeable.

This hits the nail on the head for me. Our peception of events differ so immensely it is a wonder we are all experiencing the same reality.

reply to post by cbass


Thank you cbass, and no worries...

The only "keys" that I hold are the ones to my own mind, and this should suffice.
My aim is to share that with those who apparently or obviously, from the perspectives that rule their ideas, have not ventured down the path INTO themselves yet.

I have read your work on other threads, so I can see why you are worried, and maybe you have read some of mine, and can see in the title why I am worried...

I hope we can bring some light in this oh so evil world... (irony intended...)

Good topic

The thing that is concerning me though is that there seems to be a steady build-up of frustration, anger and fear around the world in the form of perpetual war, the financial crisis that has been in the making for decades and just now blowing up the economy and restrictions of personal freedoms and privacy. And frustration and disbelief in the anger of discovering that EVERY bailed out bank had a party after getting money, not only in the US by the way.

This is powering *something* *somewhere* and to be honest some gate opening for whatever evil is lurking there could be the target for all i know. Not saying it is so but something is getting fed out of this.

On the other hand being at peace is the solution for this problem so topics like these are perfect to show the other side of the possibilities. Reality is a strange and wonderfull place if you just look outside the self-made confines.

I disagree that "We are IMMORTAL, EVERLASTING beings". But then I suppose that I am just "fearful and ignorant" since I don't agree with you.

You're doing the same thing that the GFL people,etc do. You're saying that you know this like we should just blindly believe it. With nothing but your word to back it up. Sorry, but I don't play that game. You don't "know" any more than the rest of us do.

Just my opinion. I wanted to throw my two cents in.

reply to post by citizenc


Just so you know,I am looking for any opportunity to shut you down if you start getting to "lightworkerish".

I have had it with self-important condecending, new-age hippies who have nothing better to do than battle evil, sinister,malevolent,dark, nefarious forces on the battlefield of their mind, and feel it is their duty to let us "lower astrals" know just how "LOW" we are, and that they, the "higher astrals" are sending Love and Lightbulbs our way.

Don't make me shut you down, cuz I will turn on you and stab you in the back the first chance I get.

But, for now, You are right on in my book and I could not agree with you more. If I could star and flag you twice, I would.

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reply to post by citizenc

Great Thread,
I hope what you say is true for the sake of humanity. I have been searching for the answers for some time now but threads like this end up leading to no where.
Forgive my impatience but time is running out. Please post the "how do we do it" asap so as to start the process of getting to know the ones self.
Cheers,
Kitos

reply to post by Blueracer


Thank you, and of course, you are free to disagree with anything.

Please, for a second, consider this analogy:

Anybody can listen to music. Anybody can appreciate music at some level.

Not all, however, are able to play an instrument, and even less are able to actually "create" or compose music.

Being able to listen, and being able to create, are two entirely different things.

Extrapolating, most people are acquainted with their own minds, because it is the thing seemingly between the ears and behind the eyes that "tells" them what is going on.

But most of the tunes, thoughts, you only hear. Most are not even yours.

Most people cannot even keep track of their own thoughts of a full two minutes, let alone be able to discern accurately what is going on around them or inside them.

What could be more important than getting to know yourself, but REALLY getting to know yourself and the "reality" you dwell in?

Take it from a "musician": most of what is being dispatched as "music" is none other than processed fear and "info" geared at keeping people limited and prisoners of their own incomplete beliefs.

If you read well my words, and maybe I should stress now, I invite people to WORK; to get to know themselves, to seek and search THEIR OWN nature, their own minds.
This is only and strictly a personal matter!

I can only, and will, point out the way in which I learned MY PATH, and for every other person shall be different, yet the same, for we are all the same.

Just as an example, SkyFloating's meditation, ANY meditation is already a pace to start. Most know this, yet, how many actually take the time??

See that I take the time to stress that this is EVERYBODY'S right and possibility, and there is no way that this can serve my little feline face other than knowing that, some now and more later, people will get to SEE AND FEEL for themselves what a wondrous thing existence is, and the sheer, immense and unfathomable beauty of our Nature and that of all Creation.

reply to post by citizenc


Thank you! Great start to a hopefully great thread. I look forward to hearing more. I read most of these threads and even with my 'abierto' mind, I am dissuaded by some that venture into the abyss.