The Bible:Tampered With Or Not?

Whoa now you got it all wrong bud... The bible was never Tampered With per say...it was just put together by committee... so its understandable there irregularities...

Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence. the final version of the Christian Bible was not voted on at the Council of Nicaea, per se. The Church leaders didn't finish editing the "holy" scriptures until the Council of Trent when the Catholic Church pronounced the Canon closed. However, it seems the real approving editor of the Bible was not God but Constantine! who was, contrary to common belief, a priest in a sun worshiper sect and the reason saints today are depicted with a halo over their heads...Therefore, one can easily argue that the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use."

When you study the bible in all its many forms you need to remember you are in fact studying the foundation of theology, not the word of god. The New Testament came into being by way of yeas and nays, voted upon just as we did this new president.

The Pharisees of the second temple, after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, did the same by the books that now compose the Old Testament, and this is all the authority there is, which to me is no authority at all. I am as capable of judging for myself as they were, and I think more so, because, as they made a living by their religion, they had a self-interest in the vote they gave.

To answer your question I would have to say no the bible was never tampered with, after all how can you tamper with fiction?

reply to post by Kapyong


Oh dear,

A post that contributed zero to the thread.

Congrats

reply to post by Good Wolf

I'm amazed at how little attention this thread has received. I'd expect the bigots to have stormed this thread, but no, all we really got was OT, and he didn't do much.

You'll find that when a religious thread has the slightest bit of intelligent,and correct,information on it,such people stay away.They have no argument....they also don't have the balls for it.

Originally posted by DaddyBare
Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence. the final version of the Christian Bible was not voted on at the Council of Nicaea, per se.

Oh dear oh dear.

Yet ANOTHER poster who thinks the Council of Nicea decided the books of the bible.

They did not.
They had NOTHING to do with choosing or voting the the books of the bible.

Repeating this false claim just shows you don't know what you are talking about.


K.

reply to post by jakyll


I've noticed that, I made a thread "Dispelling the myths and misconceptions of Evolution" which was all intelligence and I think we saw 1 creationist on. lo

The 'Creationism's Legacy: Anti-Intellectualism' thread (which had a borderline insulting title ) had a few more but still very little.

Reminds me of a quote:

"They must find it difficult ...those who have taken authority as truth rather than truth as authority."
- Gerald Massey

Illusions are nicer it seems

Gday all,

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Oh dear,
A post that contributed zero to the thread.

What nonsense.

YOU posted a very well-known false claim related to the Bible being tampered with (choosing, adding, deleting books.)

I pointed out your claim was false.
I posted accurate information related to the thread.

You added nothing to the thread, but I did; then you attack me for adding nothing ! Hypocrite.


Of course -
now, the LAST thing you'll do is check the facts, isn't it?

Did you bother to check the formation of the NT canon at this well known site :
ntcanon.org...
?

Did you bother to check what the Council of Nicea DID decide at an official church site such as this :
www.newadvent.org...


Will you bother to check the facts?
Will you admit you were wrong?


K.

reply to post by Kapyong


Here is some info from the wikipedia page on Biblical canon which I found to be white poignant.

These lists, or canons, have been developed through debate and agreement by the religious authorities of those faiths. Believers consider these canonical books to be inspired by God or to express the authoritative history of the relationship between God and his people.

en.wikipedia.org...

Of course the faithful rule out off the bat the possibility that there is an agenda at play amongst the authorities. When they do this, they have effectively handed over their free minds.

One must take the bible for it's intentions to be the "greatest story ever told", and NOTHING more. If it becomes a catylist for you to have a feeling of purpose and a life of emotion fulfillment, then I applaud it. If it becomes a means for you to judge others and force your beleifs upon them or have them feel inferior rather than the means of entertainment it was intended then you have a lower intelect than required to investigate and arrive at your own beliefs rather than follow the mass brain washings of society derived to make a means of power justification.

reply to post by jakyll


Hey jakyll:


Yes, maybe the bible has been tampered with but that doesn't hinder the real truth that comes from the book.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUE SON OF GOD....HE CAME TO SHOW US GOD'S LOVE........HE CAME TO DIE ON THE CROSS TO TAKE OUR SINS UPON HIM....AND RISE AND LIVE AGAIN...HE DEFEATED DEATH FOR US If you believe that and strive to live and love the way Christ did......isn't that all that really matters. Ant that is what is in your heart. The spirit tells you what is real and of the Father.

Peace and Love in Christ our Saviour
Grandma

The ommissions from the bible as selected to print were intended to direct an individual into following; to create the monsters that the "religions" have become. Even in modern times a work of fiction can find a following that will promote people to believe and follow in it's teachings as though they were factual (i.e. The DaVinci Code).

reply to post by Grandma


Hi there.

Yes,some of the core beliefs do remain unchanged,the ones you mentioned being the most important.

But others have,and worst of all they get pushed onto unsuspecting people and they are used to manipulate people.

Thats the crux of the problem for me.Many start with truth but rapidly descend into half truths and out right lies.And they can get away with it because they know that the vast majority of people will not find out for themselves if what they are being taught is true.

My persistant view of the bible is that it is a good book about living a good life. Of course, I believe the same about Aesop's Fables, many works of Shakespeare, Confucious, and a handfull of other books that I have read.

The bible tells you to be good. It tells you to treat people as you would be treated. It tells you to be strong and confident. It encourages you to first rely on yourself. There are a handful of "rules" that are in place to make you a better citizen, sibling, child, parent, adult and neighbor. It speaks to the frailty of humanity.

In its essence, there is much about this tome that is good.

Of course, you have to weed through all of the doom and gloom, prophecy and blasphemy, lies and half-truths, sorrow and punishment, and above all you have to believe in an all mighty, vengeful, tiranical dictator that is everywhere/nowhere/anywhere, that plays with your emotions in a puppet show where he is the master and you are the puppet, set only for his own musings.

The worst of it aside, there are some good things to be had in the book. Just sift out the crap and take from it what leads you to be a better person.

I have a problem with OT's idea that the Tanach's "central message" is "oh crap we screwed up and need a savior".

I challenge anyone that believes this to seek and ask a Rabbi if that is what the Tenach means to people of faith. It is after all THEIR book . . . not the Xians. . . . Moreover, there is a very good reason why Jews did not see Jesus (assuming he was real) as the "messiah". For a "layman's" explination of why this was . . . again ask a Rabbi or read the first section of The Templar Revelation by Lynn Pickett and Clive Prince.

I also find it strange, as Lucid pointed out, that if there was no "agenda" behind putting the "books" together . . . WHY THEN, were the Gnostics not included due to being label heretical? . . . especially, the Gospel of Thomas and G of Mary, which have more direct quotes to Jesus' sayings than any other books? Why then were the post-resurrection stories added . . . if not to spread to the Goyim and control the Roman empire?

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reply to post by wheresthetruth

My persistant view of the bible is that it is a good book about living a good life. Of course, I believe the same about Aesop's Fables, many works of Shakespeare, Confucious, and a handfull of other books that I have read.

I feel the same way about Star Wars and Indiana Jones


Good point though.

reply to post by jakyll

The question is irrelevant. The bible was made to control people. It's like a politician changing positions on an issue. They're still a liar.

reply to post by flyindevil


I think that is an unavoidable reality in the end. There will always be people who "give the benefit of the doubt to the preachers" or rather simply hand over their minds to the authority. And as long these people exist, the bible will be used as a tool for power.

reply to post by solomons path

I have a problem with OT's idea that the Tanach's "central message" is "oh crap we screwed up and need a savior".

Yeah,this is not how the Jews see it.

Their Messiah will be a warrior king who will restore all Jews to Israel and keep them free from bondage,he will rebuild the temple,he will make it so the Jewish faith is accepted by everyone etc etc,and then he'll bring about everlasting peace.

The answer lays in....


"The Gospel of Thomas"

Quote:-

39.
Jesus said,

"The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken The keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves have Not entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

The writings were in ZIONic up until between BC 800 and BC 700

The Hebrew spoken communication is very, very, Old but The Hebrew "Written Language" is much more recent..

The change in the Written Language, was between BC 800 and BC 700, when the Temple was dismantled and the Jews were taken into exile....

This can be read in The Books of Ezra..... if I remember correctly ???

I will however check this out again and if I am incorrect I shall then give the correct Ancient Writing it was in, but I am sure, it was in The Books of Ezra (Not in your bible)...

"The Bones of The Priests and Scribes were burnt on the Altars."

The reason was, for getting rid of the ZIONic Language, which is Not like any Language today, but was a Language, that was Geometric in Nature and did Not represent Language as it is used today.

So yes the Writings have most definitely been Bastardised....

In the Genesis the two Identities A'Dam and Man are mixed together as one today !!

leading people to believe that A'Dam and Man are one and the same.

This is the Root on which the whole bible is misunderstood today !!!

But the name "A'Dam" is the name given for the Flesh.....

God made Man in their Image.... as written.

God did Not make A'Dam in their Image....as it is Not written....

The name "Man" is Not, I repeat Not, the name given to the Flesh !!!

The Name Man is the name, given to The Soul, and Not the Flesh.

Today often they refer to how many souls were lost in an air crash or ship gone down.... So often Souls are confused with Flesh and Flesh (A'Dam ) with Man, The Soul....

If this is B.S. and people calling themselves Christians today say we have Three parts to us being:- Flesh, Soul, and Spirit....

Then there will be Three Component Names, one for Each....

Flesh.......... A'Dam (The Dammed One A Dam)

The Soul......Man

The Spirit..... ????


Flesh...........Eve ( Note:- Eve No similarity in Name to A'Dam )

The Soul......Woman ( Note Wo-man from Wo and Man woman / man
the Woman came from Man, similar in names both using Man)

The "Woman" is the Body or Container of The Soul...
Or Mother of God...

The Man is the Contents of The Soul... Hence the Child of The mother...

But as it is Written in the Ancient script "The Thunder Perfect Mind"

I Am The Bride and The Bridegroom,
and it is My Husband Who Begot Me.

I Am The Mother of My Father
and The Sister of My Husband
and He is My Offspring

In the Genesis...

The word rib has more than one meaning, another meaning is "Ridge or long raised piece often of thicker material across thinner surface serving to support as part of framework or strengthen or adorn, e.g. nein of leaf, shaft of feather, s[pur of mountain, vein of ore, ridge between furrows, wave-mark on sand,raised line in knitting, one of ships curved timbers to which planks are nailed or corresponding ironwork, arch supporting vault, groin, raised moulding on groin or across ceiling etc.

Humankind today assume that the rib is the bone taken to make Eve.

But the Latticework of the Soul, is full of Ribs....

The latticework on the Left (Double Square) shows the Partition Map of The Soul that was called "The Man Child" or Son of Man as called today but in the Revelation The term "Man Child" is used in Chapter 12 in some translations the words used is Male Child.

So yes the Writings have definitely been Bastardised, by church politics, Scribes, and Scholars....

In most cases because of Ignorance, and in other situations deliberate, in order to humanise writings, that had Nothing at all, to do with the flesh and that were parables to do with........

The Metamorphosis of The Soul....


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