Proof of Life On Mars Found In 1976?

Oh, I'm not saying that life DOES exist there. Just that we know it COULD.

I once saw a pretty cool video about these people drilling ice-core samples in Antarctica that were very, very deep. The one thing they were surprised to find was microbial life burried hundreds of feet deep in the ice. So yeah, life is resilient, but I don't know about Mars. It is very possible, but we just don't know for sure yet.

reply to post by ziggystar60


Goodness! Forewarned is forearmed,I always say. I, for one, do not want my hastily constructed flimsy conjectures to be scrutinized.

reply to post by MsSmartypants


I think there is a fine balance. haha. It depends on how much non-analytical thought is put into the conjecture! Sometimes a person can come up with a hypothesis that seems to fit all angles and then you have some "thinker" come along and throw you to the ground. It wounds the pride. Other times it is nice to have someone show you to be wrong because the alternative is scary!

Really, the flattening out photography looks interesting, and suspicious. Here are more pictures to compare, along with really good analysis of them: here

here

here

here

These pics are from the last link, the first one taken of Japan, the second Mars. Really good analysis given on the link.

reply to post by ziggystar60


Oh yeah?
Well guess what? There are no spiders on Mars!

(take that!)

Well considering they found snow falling, clouds (not sure of actual chemical make up) and they are saying there has to be some type of source for the snow to actually enter the atmosphere and come back down to the planet, I'm sure it's a pretty safe bet deep below the surface is something.

Looks like from the temperature readings it was taking was -119F for most the time (-80C). Not unsurvivable around that time but then again it wasn't winter there at that time.

I would guess that it is warmer underneath the surface and there is some type of moisture/gasses expelling allowing the snow and clouds to be formed in the atmosphere. Although if it was gas you would assume it would either freeze at a certain point and drop as ice or just linger around in the atmosphere causing the planet to be covered with a much greater cloud density.

So I'm sure when one day we start drilling there we will find all kinds of things we did not expect. Would love to see a cave on mars because that's were you would really get the most revealing information.

There is life there, we are either just too primitive to realize it, it's way down deep or they already know and just have not chose to release the info.

reply to post by Phage


Yes, there are spiders on Mars, at least that's what they say.

Edited to add that they look much better in colour, even if it's not true colour.

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Again a critical look at the image tampering that is suspected to have been done by Nasa, here

Two pics:

The above fourth image from a different science data strip R07-01100 demonstrates liquid surface water lake evidence. I've included this type of evidence because of course liquid (as differentiated from solid form ice) surface water and life as we may be familiar with it go hand in hand. Remember, the presence of liquid surface water conditions has the potential to enable the presence of such life.

These are clearly two well defined depressions in the ground and just as clearly are filled with a liquid. The flat self leveling quality so characteristic of liquid is clearly demonstrated by a faintly seen narrow band highly reflective shore around the lake perimeter edge and a irregular waterline butting up against the narrow-band sloped shore as pointed out by my arrows and labels in the above image. If you will examine this very closely, you can also see some faint liquid surface reflectivity as well. You should also be aware that there is another smaller water depression nearby to the upper right of these two sites in the strip but I elected not to image it here in this report as it is just redundant information.

Note that the interior contents of these two depressions are a very light and very bright color. One might assume that this may be because of the presence of highly reflective ice conditions. Such an assumption would conveniently in turn enable the perception and following arguments that this ice is probably CO2 ice. However that just isn't the case here. Note that the flat level interior surface and the obvious narrow band of sloped bare shore between the true liquid waterline and the darker background shore as pointed out by my labeling are both very light color. In my opinion, this is because of an application of light color semitransparent (opaque) smudge image tampering was mapped and applied equally to both the bare sloped shore narrow band and the flat water surface together.

Now, if it had been applied thick enough in enough layers, the evidence of flat level liquid waterline as differentiated from the narrow band of sloped shore evidence would have been merged together and eliminated. That is typical of how effectively obscuring water sites goes in this planetary Mars imaging as it has been released to us. Fortunately for us liquid water depth because of its transparency absorbs more light than it reflects and is normally a darker color preserving the water here as a very slightly darker color and thereby the faintly seen waterline demarcation line effect is preserved. Also, the narrow band of reflective sloped shore as above water terrain was already a lighter reflective color in the natural sunlight. So the tampering application made it even lighter maintaining to some extent the contrast difference between the water and narrow band of sloped shore to preserve the irregular waterline demarcation line.

This type of tampering is typical of how the visuals of the natural visual qualities of liquid surface water are hidden from view in the Mars satellite science data imaging. I have seen a great many much more effective applications, especially around and on the South Polar Cap itself.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ziggystar60

 

Oh yeah?
Well guess what? There are no spiders on Mars!

(take that!)

Actually, I think there might be giant worms like in Dune. Those tunnels Hoagland shows look too decayed in a less rigid and more biological way. They struck fear in me. And marsanomalyresearch.com also shows two different types, ones the anyalyst considers real tubes like Hoagland, and the others, well they appear to relate to analysis of other pictures on his site of worms.

Didn't see any spiders though.

reply to post by mystiq


They do not look suspicious to me, I always said that the "trees" lacked a 3D look, even in the original photos from Mars Global Surveyor.

And in the photos posted on Mars Anomaly Research that show real trees on Earth as a comparison you can see the shadows of the trees, something that is not on the Mars photos, either the most recent or the older ones.

reply to post by mystiq


I would not trust any image tampering analysis done by Hoagland, who insists in using the worst quality images he can find and ignores the images (available to anyone) that are available to the scientists.

When he points (as I have seen before) to a bad quality JPEG and says that he does not use the better images because that is not what is available on the page he is talking about he only shows that is way of working is not to be trusted, either because of ignorance or bad intentions.

reply to post by ArMaP



Bowie knew!

reply to post by Phage


HA, HA, HA! Right in your face, Phage!


Thanks, ArMap, you have saved my whole universe from falling apart.
You are a good friend.


(And now I will get out of here before one of the Mods discovers all the off-topic post I am making today and ban me!)

Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
The problem with the Viking experiments is that they did not find proof of proteins or DNA molecules which life is made of.

Terrestrial life that is.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
I may be completely wrong here, but don't we KNOW that conditions on Mars could produce life? I mean, isn't there water ice at the poles?

Sustain, not produce. There's quite a difference.

reply to post by MsSmartypants


It is interesting that we never learned anything more about those Viking tests. Also, it is quite telling in 1952 when you have a flag officer telling a press conference that we do not know what those objects that flew over the capital were. That still is one of the best cases ever recorded of the UFO phenomena.

reply to post by kidflash2008


The scientist responsible for the tests replicated them on Earth some time after the publishing of the results, I have seen it some place, and he is more convinced than before that the results were correct.

I will try to find that information.

I haven't found the page that I was thinking about, but in the mean time, here is the page with the official results of the tests.

Enjoy.

Viking Lander Labeled Release Experimenter's Notebook



Edited to add the link to the page where they say that Dr. Levin concluded that his experiment detected microbial life on Mars, this page.

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Just wanted to throw in there that all life doesn't need what we need to survive.

Example, there is to much oxygen in our air for most species they can not survive on our lands, some can survive for a time in thin air but it's the oxygen here that saves us living on these lands.

Originally posted by MsSmartypants
reply to post by Jay-in-AR

 

And if they didn't want toland near the "cities" then they should at least land near the forests. See link.

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

there are no forests or cities on mars. the so called forest photos had reen artificially added to them by the hoaxer and it looked sort of like a forest, but it isnt. all these so called mars structures have been debunked time and time again.
badastronomy.com has a pretty good sized section on it.

reply to post by ziggystar60


This is a blog about aliens, not a battleground, so please take the fighting outside the site. Thanks