Live long or die happy ?

The idea is simple we all want to live forever, yet we complain that the Earth is overcrowded. I just saw a post that said that 38 people die every day in the US, not that i care (in other places like Africa hundreds die and more than 50% of children are born with AIDS so 25% of them are dead anyway), i didn`t mean to say that people in the US deserve to die just that for its population that isn`t a big thing.
Many think that there are to many people alive and that we are destroying our planet... green house effect, nuclear tests, Freon gas, even cows give out methane.
My question is simple : Why live past 70 ? or even 60 ? I don`t think being old is a good thing: no sex, no bladder control, out of touch with technology, being only able to eat vegetables and the odd white meat, not many friends (some may die before you).
We sit at home bored out of our minds and write our ideas on this page and yet we don`t want to die ... It`s not like we will get to know the truth about 90% of what we are talking about and by the time we find out we won`t care anymore. If we find out that Russia has the best army while it invades our own it will not matter anymore. I don`t care who killed JFK, or that Obama may or may not be Jesus or the Antichrist (he`ll sure be better than the redneck/criminal that preceded him, and by this i don`t mean to offend people that pride themselves on being rednecks).
So tell me this: Do we need a cure for AIDS and cancer, a cure that will kill more people because of starvation than the disease it cures ?
Keep this in mind: if we sum up all the people that ever existed on earth and died until now, the number will be smaller than the population of the planet.

EDIT: posted in the wrong place sorry. I`ll move it when i realize how.

[edit on 8-11-2008 by randel]

OMG! Where have you been learning about old age from?

I know couples in their eighties and one in their nineties who are energetic, enjoying a more varied diet than ever before, enjoying a life free of responsibilities at last, and still loving sex.

Neither men nor women necessarily lose their health or sexual abilities as they age. Some women enjoy it more than ever now that their husbands take longer.

They are not necessarily conventional either. I've heard some pretty kinky stories from them ;-)

You can choose happiness or longevity.
I'll have a serving of each, thanks.

I'm confused about your post. Your title is "Live Long or Die Happy," but your post contradicts that. Do we need a cure for cancer and AIDS? Yes, I'd say on the fundamental reason that people are entitled to live a happy life. People diagnosed with these illnesses don't have the option of living long OR dying happy (that is, without pain). I'd be interested in how a cure would cause mass starvation.

Keep this in mind: No one wants to die , but it's the single occurence we ALL can count on. It keeps me balanced

[edit on 8-11-2008 by TheScribe]

They are the lucky few (around here cancer starts at around 50). Would you really have sex with someone 70 years old (even if you are also 70) some things have to end sometimes.
Men usually start to what`s the scientific term ... hmmm ... go nuts at around 65 (not all of them) they start to live in a world of their own. Consider living alone at that age.

Originally posted by TheScribe
No one wants to die, but it's the single occurence we ALL can count on.

That is a quote but not by you don`t mean to offend.

You live in the US i guess I live in a third world country as you may call it. I see people that kill themselves because they have nothing to eat, go on a trip to Africa as I did and you will see what I`m talking about. It was a really long time ago but it shocked me. Round there 50 is old really old, consider the fact that over there having something to eat is the best part of the day. They are nice people yet they ave 6 or more children when they can`t feed themselves. If none of them would die because of an illness there would be a lot more children starving. I love children and rather than see one half dead of hunger i`d kill his parents so that he`ll never see the light of day.

Pain is a part of life you can accept it or not. Even if you have 3 days to live you can be happy. The point is that many think that the Earth is overcrowded (even me), but the same people can`t accept death(unlike me).
I only hoped that this Thread will make them think.

Are you advocating carousel? There will be lot's of runners if you are. I want to live a long, healthy, happy live on my own terms.

LOL...38 people die each day in the U.S.??? And hundreds die everyday on the continent of Africa?????

Sorry...that made me laugh so hard I missed the other really important and profound points you made after that!

Am I to understand that 38 if to much? of that you just don`t care and just wanted to post something ?

Africa is on the map (world map) a big thing, you can`t miss it (just don`t look for it in North America), but you`re right why should you care ... it`s not like you will ever leave your town. Or maybe you will go to Iraq to fight the holly war [i was being ironic, spelled i-r-o-n-i-c look that up on google 2 it might be near Africa]

Thanks for the post.

EDIT: 38 die of unnatural causes: stabbed, shot, hunger, suicide etc.

[edit on 8-11-2008 by randel]

Originally posted by randel
Am I to understand that 38 if to much? of that you just don`t care and just wanted to post something ?

Do you have ANY idea what the population of the U.S. is????

There are 300 million people in the U.S. On average there are about 6,500 deaths daily in the U.S. totalling about 2.5 million a year.

www.washingtonpost.com...

But hey...38 or 6,500...same difference really.

reply to post by Velvet Death


Nope not yet ... still got some years ahead of me. Actually i just wanted to see how many people will argue with me on this subject it`s really late around here and i was getting bored.

Stupid question: Why do people that believe the world will end in 2012 still make plans for the years that follow.
Just pointing out the obvious.

reply to post by Sonya610


My bad, i forgot to write a couple of word that would have made a big difference. Really sorry for that. Also really sorry for what i`ve said to you. My mouse batteries decided not no play anymore and it took me a while to reply. The point was that in the other Thread to many people 38 looked like a lot, but compared to the population it`s almost nothing.

The 38 deaths were, let`s call the unnatural deaths that resulted from shootings, suicides and starvation i think (can`t really look it up now can i without my pet)

Many people do honestly have a purpose in theirs lives, a reason to continue being here even after life gets old and not entirely pleasant.

Many people have no purpose in their lives, and their only reason to exist here on earth is fear. Fear not of death so much, but fear of non-existance. Atheist science assures there is no afterlife and that our spark of soul is snuffed out. If you want less people to fear death, scientifically prove an afterlife beyond all doubt, and that any judgement days we might have are merciful.

Diseases like cancer and aids kill indescriminantly, those with purpose and potential and reason having their lives cut just as short as those who might being willing to go if they had a destination. Those diseases will take the lives of children who never had a chance. Of course they should be cured. If you want a cure for overpopulation, either find new worlds to colonize or find something more interesting than reproduction for the world's population.

Originally posted by randel
My bad, i forgot to write a couple of word that would have made a big difference.

No worries. I recall the 38 number too, it was car accidents, or shootings and car accidents something like that.

Well depends,in this day and age *in the western world* we are living longer and better lives due to medical advances.But i would most certainly not want to live past 70 if looking at my own family and how old age effects them.Course i could be killed tomorrow,but as soon as i need other people to take care of myself,get changed,washed etc in a nursing home,id know my time was up and hopefully society has morally moved forward in regards to euthanasia by that time.btw i only read the tile and replied...obviously im a bit OT....

[edit on 8-11-2008 by Solomons]

Oh my you have a lot to learn.

I'm 61, have wonderfull sex with my man friend and have no bladder control problems.

I eat anything I want to eat with no problems.

My hobbies are riding my motorcycle, racing my boat, making new trails in the woods with my 4-wheeler and traveling.

Even more surprising to you is the fact that I am disabled.

My grandmother tended her own garden at age 95.

Bless you. May you live a long life so you can look back on the words you posted in this thread.

Seriously Op, the answer to overpopulation is not about getting rid of older people, or them getting rid of themselves by some means, it is about stopping irresponsible births. Does the Humane Society suggest the best way to curb pet overpopulation is to kill older dogs? Heck no! It is about preventing births, big big difference.

Now from a cost perspective, extending elderly people's lives by a couple of years can be atrociously expensive, when the system starts to shut down a lot of money and energy can be spent to delay the inevitable for a little while, but that is a whole other issue.

Sadly the human race as a whole just cannot see the benefit, or grasp the concept of limiting their own numbers. Sadder still, statistically the best and the brightest will have few or no children, while the poorest and least intelligent will have as many as they can pop out. It is a mess really.

Though I have heard the NWO has a long term plan to fix all that. : )



[edit on 8-11-2008 by Sonya610]

overpopulation is a myth that never seems to die....spread of wealth and opportunity is what is wrong with the world,population could double and the earth would still be habitable for us if we change our ways...but thats not going to happen.

Originally posted by randel
The idea is simple we all want to live forever, yet we complain that the Earth is overcrowded. I just saw a post that said that 38 people die every day in the US,

Only 38? I would think that a lot more people than that die everyday in the United States.

Originally posted by Solomons
overpopulation is a myth that never seems to die....spread of wealth and opportunity is what is wrong with the world,population could double and the earth would still be habitable for us if we change our ways...but thats not going to happen.

I don't know anymore really.
I used to think this to.
But from simple things such as reading comments by so many deranged disturbed individuals on here.
And having to put up with the same from them in public.
Perhaps many people are just mistakes.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Seriously Op, the answer to overpopulation is not about getting rid of older people, or them getting rid of themselves by some means, it is about stopping irresponsible births. Does the Humane Society suggest the best way to curb pet overpopulation is to kill older dogs? Heck no! It is about preventing births, big big difference.

Excellent post.

Older people can help decrease the birth rate by caring for children while their parents study or go to work. Once the woman is studying or going out to work she is likely to have fewer children.

Now from a cost perspective, extending elderly people's lives by a couple of years can be atrociously expensive, when the system starts to shut down a lot of money and energy can be spent to delay the inevitable for a little while, but that is a whole other issue.

Death in first world countries is now looked on as something unnatural.
The money spent on delaying a few deaths with expensive procedures could be used to foster health in the community instead.

Not that we could trust the government to do that of course. They'll take money out of systems for supposedly good reasons. But they never use it for what they've promised.

Sadly the human race as a whole just cannot see the benefit, or grasp the concept of limiting their own numbers. Sadder still, statistically the best and the brightest will have few or no children, while the poorest and least intelligent will have as many as they can pop out. It is a mess really.

There are three things that have a massive effect on limiting the birth-rate:

The most effective is educating women. It's been found that no matter how poor the community, the better you educate the women the fewer children they have.

The second is pensions for the elderly. When people see the abandoned elderly in their community dying in the gutter, and know they are likely to end up in the same situation unless they have raised sons who can support them, they are going to "pop out" as many baby boys as possible.

And third, when living conditions are so poor that many babies die, parents have more children to make it more likely some grow to adulthood.