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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by truthquest
That's an absolutely ludicrous statement. While one vote may not decide many elections, the mindset of voting does. If I had cast my vote for any other candidate, it would have been wasted because realistically they had no chance.
However, realistically Obama and McCain had a chance. Now if others voted for candidates besides Obama and McCain, then we could have a conversation.
I like Ron Paul at the beginning of the election - by the way.
Originally posted by djpaec
Ok so it doesn't matter if we have a Deficit or not we need to pay down the debt. Because it's good right? How are we going to pay back the debt, if we keep on adding to it.
I just want to get that straight.
Because right now, thanks to our debt, we have to pay 260 billion dollars interest.
So hows this, we force the DOD to put the Iraq war on our books and not appropriations(straight to our debt). So that's $144 billion dollars added to the already 515.4 Billion, 659.4 Billion. O but what we're spending $145.2 billion on the Global War on Terror, ok so that's 804.6 billion. Crap then there's $37.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security and $4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers, so that 846.9 billion spent on Defense alone. Crap then there's veterans affairs, $44.8 billion, 891.7. So that's a quarter of our budget right there.
We're gonna cut one quarter of r schip, social security, medicaire and medicaide. That's 319 billion for all those things. Plus a quater of everything I just mentioned in my last paragraph, 214 billion. There I balanced the budget and gave a surplus of 143 Billion dollars. O but wait, Obamas tax plan will add 200 billion a year to the federal budget. That's 343 Billion to pay of the debt.
Now if we did like you said and paid off the with a strictly balanced budget. Then where are we gonna get the money to pay off the debt? Because guess what, thanks to the economic bailout and all this other stuff Bush and the Fed have been throwing around. Our deficit is now closer to 1.5 trillion(heard it on fox news and it's true). So start giving some substantive suggestions, here's the federal budget numbers for you to play with.
en.wikipedia.org...
I am willing to work for my future. I am willing to pay for it. Are you?
Is that working and paying for your future
or working and paying for the debt and expense of the future that a bunch of self-righteous thieves and totalitarians have created for you?
It would be nice to work and pay for my future for once.
I was born into government servitude ...
If you're so special you can somehow work and live free of the guns and jails and property theft of government I would like to know what your secret is.
If it's just looking the other way, pretending it isnt happening, rationalizing it all as "good for you" or just simple compliance then dont bother sharing. Just know that you're delusional when you say you are working for your future.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by truthquest
You can mostly blame Congress for that, actually.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Then maybe the Republicans should not have increased the size of our government, weakened our Constitution with the Patriot act, and run up the deficit the way they did.
You are quite right we are in for four more hard years. Not even a magician could turn that mess around instantly.
Blaming it on Obama before he even takes office is ridiculous.
reply to post by djpaec
Your logic[sic] knows no bounds my friend. Hmm maybe if the third party candidates got elected to the house or senate and actually built a party so they could get on the national stage then there chances wouldn't be a long shot.
He was simply pointing out that for 3rd party candidates, those not Democrat or Republican, have no shot of winning and is essentially throwing away there vote. The only parties that have a chance are Democrat and Republican. There has only been 2 times in history where third party candidates had a shot that was the 1992 elections with Ross Perot, and 1912 with Theodore Roosevelt opposing his own parties leader Taft giving Woodrow Wilson the vote.