I believe Obesity has nothing to do with what food you eat.

There is a documentary called super size me? It's really educational pointing out what happens when you eat junk food all the time.The subject gains weight fast.You eat junk food you will gain weight, this with ...that is not true it does not is a fairy tale.What you eat is what you are.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I eat junkfood, I eat portions of meals, and, I don't need to care about what I eat because I eat the right amount of food and I don't gain weight. This leads me to conclude that the act of gaining weight is caused by something else and by bodily problems.

That's a logical fallacy. For example: I've been waking up before 7am every morning for the past 5+ years, and I haven't once gotten into a car accident. This leads me to conclude that the act of getting into a car accident is caused by getting up after 7am.

Now of course that example was an exaggeration for effect, but I believe it proves the point quite well. It's called the logical fallacy of "Confusing Correlation And Causation"

en.wikipedia.org...

now that being said, some of your logic is valid - no, the food alone does not cause obesity, however just because you can eat junk food and not gain weight, does not mean you represent the physical makeup of all other humans on this planet.

Some people are born with different physiques - ectomorphs, endomorphs, mesomorphs, etc.

www.bodybuildingpro.com...

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Okay, I do not deny that what you eat causes you to gain weight, I'm just denying that it's the main reason you gain weight. Everyone makes it out to be that calories and fat are such a big deal. I disagree. I don't pay attention to what I eat and sometimes I even lose weight.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Everyone makes it out to be that calories and fat are such a big deal. I disagree.

well fat, no - but calories have a lot to do with it. If you intake more calories than you use, you will gain weight. That is the simple truth. The variable in that equation is metabolism. You probably have a very high metabolic rate, which means you can eat and not gain weight, meaning you burn more calories at rest, than someone else with slower metabolism, even if they are eating healthier foods with less calories in them, and exercising.

I heard internal? body fat or something thats also dangerous ie a person may not look overweight but they can still have lots of health problems because of this type of fat...im sure i read that somwhere..

Originally posted by scientist
Now of course that example was an exaggeration for effect, but I believe it proves the point quite well. It's called the logical fallacy of "Confusing Correlation And Causation"

Unfortunately, this happens all too often in this field.

If you intake more calories than you use, you will gain weight. That is the simple truth.

That is the simple myth. Like I said before, our bodies aren't calculators, metabolic functions aren't based on some simple equation. Here's an example: www.johnberardi.com...

*Case Study #1:
National Level Cross Country Skier; Female - 20y

Client Information from September 2002:
5’6" ; 160lb ; 22% fat
(125lb lean, 35lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~2500kcal/day
15% protein
65% carbohydrate
20% fat

Client Information from December 2002:
5’6" ; 135lb ; 9% fat
(123lb lean, 12lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~4000kcal/day
35% protein
40% carbohydrate
25% fat

Net result — 12 weeks:
25lbs lost; -23lb fat; -2lbs lean

*Note that in case study #1, we increased energy intake by a whopping 1500 per day while energy expenditure remained the same. Since the athlete was weight stable in September—prior to hiring me—you might have expected her to have gained weight during our 12 week program. However, as you can see, she lost 25lbs (while preserving most of her muscle mass).

See, based on this "calories in vs calories out" method, one could lose weight by simply eating cookies(substitute any carb) all day long, so long as a calorie deficit was maintained.

"…Obesity can arise in the absence of calorie over consumption. In addition, opposite models can show how obesity can be prevented by increasing expenditure to waste energy and stabilize body weight when challenged by hyperphagia (over consumption)".

Rampone, AJ, Reynolds, PJ. Life Sci. 1988;43(2):93-110.

Edit: I would like to fix a mistake I made in an earlier post.

Originally posted by redled
Look at the Chinese, they have the cultural bounds of fat=good to overcome. They have a bigger heart attack watch than Americans.

Chinese? From China, right? Oh, the country that has the longest Life Expectancy of any country? Hmm. Interesting.

The Chinese do not have the highest life expectancy. In fact, redled may be right, the health of chinese people in general is rapidly deteriorating.

-Dev


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Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

If you intake more calories than you use, you will gain weight. That is the simple truth.

That is the simple myth. Like I said before, our bodies aren't calculators, metabolic functions aren't based on some simple equation. Here's an example: www.johnberardi.com...

Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~4000kcal/day
35% protein
40% carbohydrate
25% fat

Net result — 12 weeks:
25lbs lost; -23lb fat; -2lbs lean

perhaps i'm missing something here, but the way in which you presented that info is a tad misleading. For example, you listed 1200 calories spend in exercise per day, however the typical adult burns 100-125 calories at rest, which roughly comes to 2000-3000 calories per day, without any exercise calculated in. If you add that to the 1200 exercise, it looks more like she spent 4200+ calories, versus the 4000 she took.

If I've confused something in there, please let me know.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by scientist

 

Okay, I do not deny that what you eat causes you to gain weight, I'm just denying that it's the main reason you gain weight. Everyone makes it out to be that calories and fat are such a big deal. I disagree. I don't pay attention to what I eat and sometimes I even lose weight.

Ok- now you are just being obnoxious. People with weight issues don't want to constantly hear how you are so skinny and weight just falls off you even though you eat bad stuff. Congratulations, you are an ectomorph. But seriously, do you get medical checkups? You can still have clogged arteries and high blood pressure and be skinny- not that I am wishing it on you. You say you eat junk, and that can still affect you in ways other than appearance. I have known skinny people who have high cholesterol/blood pressure and had to restrict their diet for that reason. It is a big shock and disappointment to them. Not everyone on the operating table getting bypass surgery are obese. You have to be careful.

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This is the important part of all that data:

Since the athlete was weight stable in September—prior to hiring me—you might have expected her to have gained weight during our 12 week program. However, as you can see, she lost 25lbs (while preserving most of her muscle mass).

If your calculations are correct, that would mean that she had maintained a large calorie deficit before starting the new program and yet she was weight stable. According to standard calorie theory, she should have been losing weight, not stable, before the new program.

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Good Point Raven.

Of course genetics plays a role in fat gain, but everyone, whether large or skinny, is susceptible to the damaging effects of hyperinsulinemia and a poor diet. So, just like Raven pointed out, just because you look healthy doesn't mean you are. Eating carbs may not cause you to gain fat but they surely do cause unsafe cholesterol levels, as well as all of the other problems associated with hyperinsulinemia.

-Dev

eat natural and exercise,some people have food allergys also.metabolism,energy in vrs out,thermatic effect of food meaning energy needed to break it down and digest,food combinations eg acidic food alkaline etc frequancy of eating.the body can only absorb about 300 calories at a time anything else may be stored as fat,genetics also play a part .be honest with your self and you wont get or stay overweight theres many reasons for being overweight and genetics is no excuse only a factor everybody has the potential to be a low bf% .im speaking from experience having lost about 24 kilos.the hardest part is applying what you know.pls dont mention my grammar im working on that.
ps.anyone who wants a no bs diet to follow search tom venuto its free so im not advertising.

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