I am white, and cannot voice my opinion about Obama

Welcome to a new era of racism. Since Obama has been elected, I cannot question, comment, or have an opinion about him without being called "cracker, whitey, slanted, etc."

What is funny is I don't hate the guy. I don't trust him at all, but neither did I McCain, or any politician EVER. They are all full of BS, and need to be held accountable.

But, this is a new WEIRD time I have never experienced before in my life. I could talk about Clinton, Bush 1 &2, etc. But if I so much as breath a comment about Obama, I am a "basher".

I was not worried about Obama for president a few days ago, but now, now I am seriously concerned. Someone mentioned tonight "Anti Christ". A couple days ago I would have laughed in their face. Today, call me what you will, but I actually listened. What the hell is with all the FEMA portable jail cells and rail cars with human constraints? WTF?!?!? Please tell me this is all just par for the course and there is nothing to read into here. And has anyone else received the text or email stating "All white people now report to the cotton fields"? I always thought that white people were the ones that were racist. Today, I know I was wrong.

well i cant comment on why you were called that,

but ,

criticising him is fine, as soon as

'' black - muslim '' that sort of garbage comes into it, your debate goes out the window.

Wow, really? Already whining? Nothing has changed yet and you people are already crying like a bunch of school girls that did not get picked for the school play. If you are a white American and all you have to worry about is whether or not you are "allowed" to say what you think because of some BS preconcieved notion of nonexsistant racism, then things are pretty damn good at your house buddy. Come back when you have a real problem and try to be a man about it and not whine and cry like a spoiled child that just got her binky taken.

edit to add: I am a white American.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by Iblis Smiley]

now you know what it feels like you cracker!!! just kidding. i agree with you that most politicians are tricky and obama may be no different. let's see what happens and keep an open mind. i for one am very optimistic for the future and i hope obama can bring us together into a brighter future. way more optimistic then i ever was during the bush administration. obama will now be or next president for better or worse til death do us part muahahahahaha!!! seriously though lets see how he handles business before we rip him.

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Maybe you should move? Cuz no one calls me that for discussing political stuff. People usually just turn their i-Pods up.

Who are you talking with when you are called "cracker", "whitey" "slanted"?? Friends and family?...

I assume if someone calls you "whitey" then they are not white themselves, and you are not black (or caucausion and African-American if ATS wishes me PC). So then are you just walking up to random black people in public and instigating political discussion?...

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
Welcome to a new era of racism. Since Obama has been elected, I cannot question, comment, or have an opinion about him without being called "cracker, whitey, slanted, etc."

I disagree, anyone who thinks like that knows not what Obama stands for. Obama will be a great president. If however, he makes some mistakes, do not hesitate to hold your punches. I voted for Obama and will criticize him when I see fit.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
I was not worried about Obama for president a few days ago, but now, now I am seriously concerned. Someone mentioned tonight "Anti Christ". A couple days ago I would have laughed in their face. Today, call me what you will, but I actually listened. What the hell is with all the FEMA portable jail cells and rail cars with human constraints? WTF?!?!?

Where have you been the last few months. All of these issue are quite old. The "Anti Christ" issue, the FEMA jail cells, and the rail cars have many old threads here on ATS. On a side note, I would not worry too much about Obama using the jail cells or the rail cars, those, I hope, were the relics of the Neo Con agenda.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
And has anyone else received the text or email stating "All white people now report to the cotton fields"? I always thought that white people were the ones that were racist. Today, I know I was wrong.

I could be wrong, but I would bet that that text or email was sent to you by a white person, a right wing white person. Most African Americans are too happy and full of hope to be thinking like that. However, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't want to rip him. And wow, what an ass the poster is about whining huh? No, maybe not an ass, just clueless.

What I'm getting at is back in the day, we could all sit around the table and disagree on politics. Now, I'm called names or frowned upon because I'm questioning the all great Obama.

I'm glad he became president. Now, blacks (and white trash) no longer have an excuse to sit on their ass and collect welfare. If a black man that was raised in Indonesia can run our Country, I'm sure a lazy welfare bum can get a job and support his/her family. I really never knew how hateful and spiteful blacks were until Obama was elected. It's been 200 years, I never owned a slave, nor would if I could because I don't believe that way, but now, 200 years later, I'm being throw into their hatred and racism wheather I like it or not.

This has NOTHING to do with Obama, this is about RACISM that has sprung from him being elected. I hope it cools off and people realize that he's just a man, not a "black savior" put here on the planet to pay back whitey.

Sorry, but this is what I dealt with today on more than one occasion, and I employ more than one black person, and have never used the "N" word, and don't even think on that level, period. It has been a true awakening that all of a sudden I know how they "really" feel about apparently being kept down for the last 200 years. This is a crazy time, that I hope passes. I really hope that people of all nationalities soon see Obama as an accomplishment of hard work, not "a brother coming up"

And please, this is not about race, black, white, whining, who won etc. It's about "change", but not in our Country, in it's people, and the peoples attitudes towards one another. If you don't have anything intelligent to say or add, click "back" on your browser.

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet - in other words, his presidency hasn't begun, and so there's little room to criticize him for anything.

As soon as something huge, like a SHTF scenario happens, like invading Pakistan or something, he'll be wide open to criticism just as Bush has been.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
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Maybe you should move? Cuz no one calls me that for discussing political stuff. People usually just turn their i-Pods up.

Who are you talking with when you are called "cracker", "whitey" "slanted"?? Friends and family?...

I assume if someone calls you "whitey" then they are not white themselves, and you are not black (or caucausion and African-American if ATS wishes me PC). So then are you just walking up to random black people in public and instigating political discussion?...

I have a very busy retail store that has all walks of life coming through daily. Two of my best sales guys are black. One is more, well, let's just say he calls the other guy, who is manager, "HNIC". That stands for Head ______ in Charge". The customers that come in range from educated to bottom of the barrel. The "whitey" and such comes "jokingly", yet not so jokingly as before election. Understand? And the "All white people report to the cottonfields" was said to my face, by a one step above homeless black man on his way to an AA meeting. And yes, I'm God honest serious.

I think you're right, I should move. And to the post about the rail cars, NWO stuff... I don't have TV, didn't watch any election stuff, other than what pops up on Yahoo etc., when I check my email. As stated I don't believe anything any politicians say, period, so I'm not going to waste my precious time listening to crap on the idiot box. I will visit here though, although sometimes I even question that.

you sound like an angry white man lol just messin with ya but you do sound very bitter. if you come off to those people the way you do here it's no wonder they are calling you names. the time for the arguements were for before the election. the election is over. obama won. give him a chance to see what he can do. . if and when he starts messing up i too will join you in condemning him, until then lets hope he can get this country back on track.

I am black and voted for Obama, and trust me I want him to actually be something more than a figurehead also, the pick for chief of staff though is somewhat contraversial because of his outspoken, one sided bias about the middle east situation, someone might interpret my feelings about that as being anti semitic but I am not, I just think it sends a message that you might be pandering to one group's interest , I do think that you should not be offended though because you are white when making generically critical commentary, that is just plain stupid for someone to play the race card if you are simply being critical, what educational level are these people that instantly throw that kind assumption your way?

On the other hand you said you employ some blacks, well in a sense they might view your criticism about Obama as racist only because of your relationship as their boss and they somehow incorrectly interpret that as a bias.

This situation is so new for everyone that it may take some time to adjust because of the uniqueness of electing a black man as president and many are unable to grasp that reality beyond his skin color.



[edit on 7-11-2008 by phinubian]

*raises hand and slowly stands*

Uh, what's a nubian?

Seriously though...to the OP I get your point, I've seen it myself, but to phinubians point, there will be adjustment time that has to be met...

Still, that's the kind of thing that takes you back a minute. If the situation were reversed, you'd have Jessie Jackson closing your business down.

I'm biased though...I tend to believe that the only true minority anymore is the Single White Male under 40 with no kids. We seem to be the only group that has no government representation...unless you count the NRA

Move to the midwest, here no one will call you names or critique you for making statements about the mans policies or ideas. One state here even voted republican in all counties. The argument that he hasn't made it into office yet is foolish and very sheeple in thought. Come on the man has posted his policies, and started to appoint his cabinet. NOW is the time to voice your opinion on these matters and hope to get the public involved in combatting those policies that you don't agree on. ANYONE who says you don't have the basis to critique his policies yet probably voted for Obama for the wrong reasons. Flame away but it is the truth. By saying that there is nothing to critique, you are stating that you know of no stance, controversial or not, that Obama has taken. I find it very disconcerting that out of the many people I talk to, most don't even know the basic frame work of Obama's policy structure. Most people have no clue what they voted into office except they know they voted in a black man. Prove me wrong if you can. So give the OP a break.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
I don't want to rip him. And wow, what an ass the poster is about whining huh? No, maybe not an ass, just clueless.

Were you referring to my post? I was agreeing with you that you should feel free to voice your opinion without being called racial slurs. And I felt I was adding something to beneficial, I was letting you know that your fears about the rail cars and portable jail cells had nothing to do with Obama and had been discussed on ATS for the last 6-12 months.

If you were not referring to me, I apologize. If however, you were, you need to calm down and be less sensitive. Perhaps that was the root of your issues today, being to sensitive.

You know what? get over it. honestly. if you cant state something that someone else may disagree with you over, and cant accept criticism, then dont state your opinion. I have been talking about how dangerous this government is for years, and I accept that not everyone will accept or even begin to accept the possibility of such a thing. You, as a person, have to be okay with the fact that many times most people wont agree with your opinion. This happens a lot when you are right, especially in these times.

A lot of the people who automatically defend Obama are the same as people who automatically attack Obama. They do so because of race. People can disagree all they like, but Obama and his presidency has nothing to do with black people finally making it to the white house. I will say it once, and disagree if you like, but OBAMA IS A POLITICIAN!!! To think that it is so amazing that because he is black and president that is a wonderful thing for civil rights is ignorant. Every person who runs for president says whatever they need to say to win. Obama spent millions upon millions to be elected, he is no different than any other presidential candidate.

What most people fail to realize is that the elite program every person, especially in the US where people can afford to watch news without the fear of starvation. All of this is controlled and carefully decided. Obama said he was the proponent of change, but so did John "Mc-Same". The presidential election and the following months will do a great job in pushing Americans to forget that our nation is in the hole, owing debt to nations all over and not even having the funds to pay our regularly owed bills.

I agree with the rationalists who state that there is no reason to attack Obama yet. The fear mongerers who said our nation would fail because of him were wrong and they knew it. They only said that to change votes. Honestly its amazing that so many of the people that attacked Obama were members of the party who supported Bush until it was no longer popular to do so. I cant be the only one who saw the Republicans suddenly swerve away from George Bush when the elections started.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
What I'm getting at is back in the day, we could all sit around the table and disagree on politics. Now, I'm called names or frowned upon because I'm questioning the all great Obama.

It has been a true awakening that all of a sudden I know how they "really" feel about apparently being kept down for the last 200 years.

You are just now realizing it? I have certainly been called a racist (online) but never over this Obama thing. Maybe because I usually start off my attacks on Obama by calling HIM a racist and that throws people off. It is all about attitude, if you seem apologetic people will be far more likely to become aggressive with you and start calling you names because they know they can get away with it (and they know you will become flustered, more apologetic, and start groveling when you try to explain yourself). Or maybe the frowns have nothing to do with them thinking you are racist, you are just so guilt ridden you ASSUME that is the reason.

I realized the truth about “racism” shortly after I moved from California to the deep south. I was the ONLY white woman working in a small office of primarily black males. The O.J. Simpson verdict came out one morning, and when I walked into the office I was greeted by 3 black coworkers in nice suits that laughed, pointed at me, and said “Haha…there’s another one! Lets get her too! Haha”. Yes it really happened, I was utterly shocked as I could not imagine people openly saying such a thing. At that moment I woke up.



[edit on 7-11-2008 by Sonya610]

Whoever pulls the race card when debating politics just lost the debate.
Whoever called you these things is a racist and lost the debate.
I would ignore anyone who speaks such filth.

Race is going to become such a big deal... but what is so humorous to me about it all is that it works both ways. I know of several black people who voted for Obama based simply on race. I know many people who voted against Obama based simply on race.

As the OP said we do have a situation now where if you speak out against Obama...you are a raciest. Not just in the eyes of black people, but even in the eyes of white people. Race is just at the forefront of politics right now. I have also been called a cracker, a raciest pig, etc etc from people of ALL nationalities, creeds and colors right now....and I promise you.... this is simply the beginning. It is going to get much worse.

Get used to it, or learn to have thicker skin is the only advice I have to give. Other than that I will leave you all with this stupid joke....


*snip*


Hey I warned you it was stupid

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[edit on 11/7/2008 by maria_stardust]

I live in south Georgia. The schools in several counties have had to hire extra security as the african American children are all wearing Obama t-shirts and loudly shouting about the blacks owning whitey now.

I've been from Savannah , Ga to Jacksonville, Fla. since the election. I see racism growing rapidly.

This issue is not going away anytime soon. It would not surprise me if the hatred escalates between the races and blood is spilled.

In my opinion Obama used the race card. Now we may all suffer.

By the way, I don't give a rat's butt if you flame me or call me racist. I'm too old and mean to give a damn.
I call it like I see it.