Calling all ATS'ers: Time to deny ignorance regarding Obama and the NWO

The amount of ignorance here on ATS regarding this election is astounding! Finally, a major change in U.S. politics and world view with the election of Obama, and so many of you are hailing "NWO! NWO! Obama's the puppet for the NWO!!" When are you people going to give it a rest!?!?

I'm so sick and freakin' tired of seeing so many doom and gloom posts here that NEVER come to pass. This is a milestone in U.S. history and one that the entire world has recognized. Other nations will once again be our friends. How is this a bad thing?

As someone who was in favor of Ron Paul, I really cannot believe how stupid he sounds after just listening to him on the Alex Jones show (see thread here on ATS). The two of them keep saying he is the NWO puppet and dates of a new monetary currency will be announced. This really has made me lose a lot of respect for Ron Paul, and maybe he isn't the man I thought he was. Perhaps it's a good thing he isn't president of the United States.

Here's my response: And why is this supposed NWO such a bad thing? Why is a world government or currency such a bad idea? If the monetary system was controlled by many world interests, maybe more money would get spent on science and research. Maybe we would get our asses in space and start exploring the solar system. And is democratic socialism so bad? I have no problem with people being more equal. If everyone cared less about material stuff, maybe they would care about something greater than themselves, like the planet on which they live or the universe they inhabit.

I see all these other countries who have national health care and the people never have to worry about any medical bills. Doctors in the UK get paid higher salaries the more they help their patients!! The French government pays for a woman to come do your laundry and help around the house if you have a new child!! Why the hell are so many Americans and ATS members afraid of a new direction?

Obama's speech was incredible and brought tears to most people's eyes. He has the potential to be one of the best president's this country has ever seen. What's wrong with him asking for the American people's input or call to action? JFK did the same thing.

And how can people think Obama is so evil to call him the Antichrist?? (well, those people are on another planet anyway because organized religion is a bunch of malarkey) He hasn't even taken office yet! Do these people forget that Obama has a wife and 2 children who live with him every single day? Would those 2 young girls be capable of putting on an act and fooling the American public into thinking the love for their father is fake because he is really an evil man? Or how about the people who have gone to church with him every week for over 20 years? I'm sure they really know just how evil he is and how he will be the new puppet.

ATS is a community of extremely intelligent people of which I am proud to be a part of. We all have the ability to think for ourselves, but lately many members have been spreading more B.S. than the media has. It's time for a change of voice and attitude. Are you going to continue to be part of the problem or are you ready to be part of the solution?

I'm calling on all ATSers to TRULY start denying ignorance. Enough of these absurd conspiracy theories. Enough of the doom and gloom. Enough of the fearmongering and brainwashing!! America has a chance to go in a new direction for the first time in a very long time. Let's make the next 4 years an extremely positive experience. It starts by changing your own attitudes and being of the mindset that you want to help other people before you ask what they can do for you.

[edit on 11/6/2008 by pjslug]

Originally posted by pjslug
As someone who was in favor of Ron Paul, I really cannot believe how stupid he sounds after just listening to him on the Alex Jones show (see thread here on ATS). The two of them keep saying he is the NWO puppet and dates of a new monetary currency will be announced. This really has made me lose a lot of respect for Ron Paul, and maybe he isn't the man I thought he was. Perhaps it's a good thing he isn't president of the United States.

Here's my response: And why is this supposed NWO such a bad thing? Why is a world government or currency such a bad idea? If the monetary system was controlled by many world interests, maybe more money would get spent on science and research. Maybe we would get our asses in space and start exploring the solar system. And is democratic socialism so bad? I have no problem with people being more equal. If everyone cared less about material stuff, maybe they would care about something greater than themselves, like the planet on which they live or the universe they inhabit.

[edit on 11/6/2008 by pjslug]

So to reply to one thing at a time. Who do you think is pushing the materialism and consumerism?? If the owners of the central banks know that debt is slavery which is quite obvious who do you think has the agenda??? Do you think given the track they give a give two s***s about the working class other than to control them? Let me reiterate the obvious questions. Do you see the filthy rich and the bankers in Iraq fighting? Do you see them fighting in any wars? Do you see the middle class and the lower class making obscene profits from wars or getting their debt erased from the books they cooked by wars?

Wake up and smell the giants turds; for the time is nigh.

While I will agree the people voted for Obama because they wanted positive change, the writing on the wall could not be more obvious of what is to come. Biden himself even said that soon TSHTF.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by Anonymous Avatar]

I hear you.

But don't be so short sighted either. There are many people who proved that YES THEY CAN in the political arena. Some even voted against their own parties, and the popular opinion on matters which were dear to them.

I now support Obama and hope he has it in him to do the right thing. Before Nov 4th, Ron Paul followed by McCain and finally Obama was the order in which I would prefer. Clinton before McCain until Obama.

The way he came to be troubled me but if the majority of the people vote him in, I have to assume that they are all awake and cognizant of what they were doing and that I must reconsider my own priorities in order to adjust and meet half way.

I was hoping to see Colin Powell or Condi Rice break the racial barrier. Not because of their party but because of their EXTENSIVE public service resumes chock full of accomplishments. Black or white, we are all now being enslaved on common ground.

It comforts me to know that Colin Powell backs Obama but at the same time these times need a fiscally responsible revolutionary. Our man was Ron Paul. He had the good fight in him and I know that future history will constantly vindicate all he says. It's all on his voting record & public speaking record.

I can't think of a president in the past 30 years that hasn't fit the profile of the Antichrist. Though I fell in love with Regan & Clinton and I can only hope to feel the same about Obama.

Obama is now our man so, yes, deny ignorance and come together.

On another note, perhaps we can finally stop fighting over spoiled people and lands of oil in the middle east and start cracking heads in the regions where people are roaming around starving to death.

There's nothing that troubles me more than resource rich nations have the highest starvation rates on earth. Let's look at Ethiopia and the mess that is Darfur. I would completely appreciate Obama if he hauled the troops out of the pig nations and gave them something more tangible to fight for again. Enlistment would go through the roof.

As a possible postulation as to the procurement of the public paranoia, I'd propose that the people perhaps fear that the fleeting if ephemeral feelings which flitted so infrequently across Obama's visage during his most eloquent and endearing words signify a certain serpentine sinister countenance.

If I were to wager a guess.

Would you like us to join the cult of Obama and start chanting "one of us! one of us!" as well? What color uniforms will we be wearing when we join?

Please don't insult the intelligence of ATSers here. Just because he won, doesn't mean he will be any good to this country (in fact, many have given good evidence and arguments to the opposite)

The minute you said that the NWO might not be so bad is the minute you lost my respect and the respect of many here who, sorry, just don't like the idea of being enslaved and later be led to slaughter by greedy corporations. If you don't like that many here will STILL question Obama, then perhaps you shouldn't be here, and perhaps you should join a mainstream forum with the rest of those that have been blinded by the media. Some of us will always have questions to ask and criticism to make. You don't like it? too bad, you're starting to forget WHY this is called a conspiracy forum.

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first of you ask what would be so bad about a one world government

i reply it wouldnt be horrible if they executed it properly but look at the people who are in charge they spend billions on death in the interests of a few poeple

those are not the kind of people i want running the world

secondly since obama had so much media attention and the people who run the media are #ed up i would assume he is another puppet

its simple send a night in shining armor out with a smile and people will vote for him( and its exaclty what they want)

change ???

umm i dont see any change. Take a look at Obama's advisors and tell me he is for change.

It reads like a who's who list of corporate fatcats and political banking elite of the world.

The man's wife is the Chicago chapter president for the CFR for goodness sake.

Obama is a total tool for the banking elite

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It's not use. I don't share your respect for the general fear mongering population here.

These people have invested thousands in bomb shelters that they have locked themselves into and, they will be damned if they are not going to have something to hide away from!

Jesus himself could take over the government with the archangels at his side, and these people would say that his is the anti-christ. These people want thier pathetic biblical fairy tails to come true, and that's all they will ever see in the world.

The good news is that more than half of them don't vote or participate in the community what so ever, so we don't have to care what they wine on about.

IMO.. tHEY WIll stay HIDden FOREVER
THEY ARE cowards
NWO LOL lol bunch of old Farts lol
Ill knock every single one of them OUT With this fist of freedom

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You get two thumbs WAY up.

Here is an article I found written by an academic. It basically lays out everything that is wrong about conspiracy theorists and their conspiracies

There Are No Conspiracies

I am frankly sick of people who perpetuate conspiracy theories supported by either NO evidence whatsoever or purely circumstantial evidence. They refuse to learn anything about the world or the forces that are really at work and simply reduce everything to a "us against them, they have ultimate power" line of thinking that is just completely wrong.

Like the last poster said, I hope they lock themselves in their bomb shelters. They can stay there forever for all I care.

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And is democratic socialism so bad? I have no problem with people being more equal. If everyone cared less about material stuff, maybe they would care about something greater than themselves, like the planet on which they live or the universe they inhabit.

That sounds like a noble thought, but the stark reality is that not all people want to be equal. If all people strove to work for the common good, then maybe it might not be such a bad idea. However, when some people decide not to work, knowing that others will give them money, then the ideal breaks down completely. As they used to say in the old USSR,
"We pretend to work, and the government pretends to pay us."
Did you ever see a grocery store in the old USSR? Virtually bare walls, with a few rotten potatoes on some days. That the what a broken down socialist state results in.

Originally posted by pjslug
What's wrong with him asking for the American people's input or call to action? JFK did the same thing. Or how about the people who have gone to church with him every week for over 20 years?
[edit on 11/6/2008 by pjslug]

I really don't think Obama should be compared to JFK in any way right now. JFK wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve whereas Obama's biggest campaign contributions came from big banksters like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and CitiGroup. Complete polar opposites there. JFK didn't call for a Civilian Security Force “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the U.S. military where “people of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve.” That sounds closer to what Hitler and Mussolini did with the brown shirts and black shirts respectively. Do you really want to get into the people Obama hangs out with at church again??

pjslug
ahhh.. so you bought it hook line and sinker too huh?

what shame......

[edit on 6-11-2008 by Maya432]

This thread is Obamaism at its worst. I have nothing against the guy, YET, but he's not some damned savior. Come off of it,man!!

[edit on 6-11-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

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Here is an article I found written by an academic. It basically lays out everything that is wrong about conspiracy theorists and their conspiracies

There Are No Conspiracies

I am frankly sick of people who perpetuate conspiracy theories supported by either NO evidence whatsoever or purely circumstantial evidence. They refuse to learn anything about the world or the forces that are really at work and simply reduce everything to a "us against them, they have ultimate power" line of thinking that is just completely wrong.

Oh, well, I guess ATS should just roll up the sidewalks and shut the door permanently, if there are no conspiracies. After all, why do we need a forum that bills itself as the largest Conspiracy forum on the web? Better tell the staff to find another business. There goes the unemployment rate again.

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Yeah, didn't you know that since a socialist was elected president all of the conspiracies were going to end?

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So anybody who doesn't buy into the conspiratorial view of history is a socialist and an Obama follower?

I have been one of the most vocal in stating that Obama will never save us. I instead know that the power structure in the U.S. is a result of historical circumstances and social phenomena, NOT conspiracies!

There goes your retort.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

 

So anybody who doesn't buy into the conspiratorial view of history is a socialist and an Obama follower?

That's not what I implied at all. What I am implying is that some of you act like conspiracies are the sole act of conservatives. Some of you act as though a Democrat could never be involved in the NWO, et cetera


[edit on 6-11-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

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There are no conspiracies. Period.

And yes, Democrats are as capable of committing anti-American acts, because just like the Republicans, they make up the power elite that controls this country.