Are aliens creating homosexuals and bisexuals?

reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens


Thats because sexuality and breeding is primative, although we arent at a point of refrence to understand.

What we are no is relevant to what was required to survive. We required hunters, gatherers, fighters to protect the young and we also required someone to care for and look after the young.

Hence like most animals we have two genders with different makeup and different roles, but it all comes down to survival of the species.

In world where the basic needs have been removed, you might well find asexuality is the natural course of evolution because a species has no need to retain obsolete facets of its older development.

Intellgent asexual beings would probably have evolved over millions of years, so such aliens would be very much older and have a very different perspective than we do.

reply to post by silver6ix


I think you nailed it on this post. When you take the human feeling out of the equation. I.E. sharing "love" with one another and the general feeling of an orgasm. Asexual reproduction seems to be the most logical and easiest method of reproduction.

But not quite as fun.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by malignant_tumor]

Also, seems to be a very good logical standard of population control. We reproduce when needed. Not when we want to.

I can't see that this could be evolution at all. If anything it is a sign of reality unraveling. I don't hate gay people, so don't get me wrong here. I think some people are truly born that way and I see no problem with them loving one another. But...when it comes to "normalizing" homosexuality to the point that its "just another lifestyle" I have a problem. Because, there are many ways for gays to be intimate that are perfectly normal, except what we normally call sodomy. I am rather against that than gays themselves. It is the fastest way to get HIV and not to mention many other diseases. Even e coli, and then lets not forget the damage it can do to the body down there....anal prolapse anyone? Rips, tears etc. I have no problem what they do in their own house but to make it seem normal for all people, kids especially...I don't like. I think homosexuality should be seen as the disorder that it is and not as a normal choice. But of course that doesn't mean they should be disrespected. The problem is that it is normalized so much that now we have young people "turning" bisexual for the thrill. And also many ignorant adults in heterosexual relationships getting into sodomy and endangering themselves for all sorts of things like anal cancer, stds, fissures etc. It's not natural. Its degrading that men should seek this from women, who already have been provided with an appropriate orifice. I am astounded at how many people think this is good. We can blame the porn industry I guess for that. As well as radical liberalism. I am liberal...but I mean radicalism....it causes this unhealthy sexual outlook. Polyamory etc etc. I think gays should be able to marry. It promotes monogamy, which is a good thing for everyone. But I really think no higher evolved aliens or anyting could be doingt this for our benefit. Asexual maybe, but not homosexuality...which is more likely to kill us. If they are doing it, then its a major depopualtion device.

Originally posted by malignant_tumor
reply to post by silver6ix

 

I think you nailed it on this post. When you take the human feeling out of the equation. I.E. sharing "love" with one another and the general feeling of an orgasm. Asexual reproduction seems to be the most logical and easiest method of reproduction.

But not quite as fun.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by malignant_tumor]

Remeber that as the body evolves so too does the mind. What is seen as fun is very accurate right now because its what our mind is shaped around.

However a loos the what we call physical fun does not mean a loss of fun or the ability to love and share. In fact I doubt there is any connection deeper or more profound than a love shared mind to mind as one.

Id imagine highly evolved asexual beings have the capabilities to see wonders and share pleasures that humanity couldnt possibly begin to comprehend.

A nice quote from Blade Runner really explains it better:

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate."

Im sure there are many thing more profound than the material world we understand today. By the time we evolved to that sort of being, im sure our minds would have new pleasures and joys to share.

reply to post by rubyeyes


This wasn't meant to be a thread about what you feel is right and wrong and your opinions on sodomy. Sodomy has nothing to do with this thread.

It's about alien visitation helping evolving our timely and delicate reproductive process, to an easier and and less painstaking variation.

Reproduction for a reason, not for a reason for need and want.

But I do appreciate your response.

Sorry i went on a tangent. What I meant to do though was give reasons why I thought it could not be for evolution. Namely from the standpoint of health concerns that would be associated with this one aspect.

reply to post by rubyeyes


Homosexuality would be just part of the evolutionary advancement for lack of a better term. Not neccasarily a feesable way for reproduction right now, just a starting process.

I too fail to see how this is evolution. Isn't evolution supposed to be a step forward? The whole point of sex is to reproduce and this can only be achieved with a man and a woman. Two men can not reproduce, so how is this a step forward? If anything, it's a step backwards. Again, I have nothing against gay people in any way, shape or form. I believe everyone deserves to be happy and should pursue whatever that is to them, but to say this is evolution is a little far fetched. I don't really believe in evolution, but if I did, this wouldn't be a good example.

I don't think child abuse is the only thing, but just that anyone can say it has no effect just goes to show how many people have no idea how much it F's a child up and affects brain chemistry and development. Sexual abuse most definitely contributes in many, not all, but many cases. I go back to the loveline show when Adam and Drew would predict someone's childhood just from hearing their voice and most of the time, they hit the nail on the head before the caller even said a word about having a bad past. Child abuse is a severe and growing problem in this world and the tragedy is only increased by the lack of knowledge of most people who just have no clue as to the effects this has on a child, that being ALL forms of abuse and not limited to sexuality.

God Bless.

Originally posted by Kratos1220
I too fail to see how this is evolution. Isn't evolution supposed to be a step forward? The whole point of sex is to reproduce and this can only be achieved with a man and a woman. Two men can not reproduce, so how is this a step forward? If anything, it's a step backwards. Again, I have nothing against gay people in any way, shape or form. I believe everyone deserves to be happy and should pursue whatever that is to them, but to say this is evolution is a little far fetched. I don't really believe in evolution, but if I did, this wouldn't be a good example.

I don't think child abuse is the only thing, but just that anyone can say it has no effect just goes to show how many people have no idea how much it F's a child up and affects brain chemistry and development. Sexual abuse most definitely contributes in many, not all, but many cases. I go back to the loveline show when Adam and Drew would predict someone's childhood just from hearing their voice and most of the time, they hit the nail on the head before the caller even said a word about having a bad past. Child abuse is a severe and growing problem in this world and the tragedy is only increased by the lack of knowledge of most people who just have no clue as to the effects this has on a child, that being ALL forms of abuse and not limited to sexuality.

God Bless.

Homosexuality isnt about reproduction. Asexuality however is a valid and established reproductive system in its own right.

You could measure evolution based on what we have seen but then again if what we have seen isnt correct, then evolution is not easy to comprehend.

Maybe human evolution is stunted because of the suppression of certain aspects of the human mind, not because of nature.

Our present type of reproduction when you look at it seems like a very long and complicated process where there are many things that can go wrong.

Everythings seems to become advanced and easier in time. I.E. manual typewriters to voice dictation. Cooking on an open fire to microwave ovens.

I'm not comparing reproduction to microwave ovens, but I think you understand what I mean. Are we in the start of a new method that will change our human way of reproduction 1000's of years from now?

Originally posted by Kratos1220
I too fail to see how this is evolution. Isn't evolution supposed to be a step forward? The whole point of sex is to reproduce and this can only be achieved with a man and a woman. Two men can not reproduce, so how is this a step forward? If anything, it's a step backwards. Again, I have nothing against gay people in any way, shape or form. I believe everyone deserves to be happy and should pursue whatever that is to them, but to say this is evolution is a little far fetched. I don't really believe in evolution, but if I did, this wouldn't be a good example.

Evolution isn't a step forward or back: those terms demand a perspective, which only people can apply.

If you're at all interested, see my earlier post, on page 2, regarding possible genetics for homosexuality. It's not a proven explanation by any means: simply a mechanism by which someone who doesn't reproduce fits in very well from a genetic standpoint.

Originally posted by baseball101
idk this is a conspiracy site ... maybe it was some genetic experiment in which the government altered genes to help with lowering the growth of the population

Except for that fact that the human population has been consistently increasing since even before the time of the Greeks, and homosexuality has been around before governments could alter genes

[edit on 3-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

reply to post by malignant_tumor


So you are speculating homosexuality and or bisexuality is a transitional stage to asexuality as in asexual reproduction

That's quite a leap between the two.

As for the aliens involvement. If it is them, when do you speculate they began this tinkering? It would have had to of been a loooong time ago.




[edit on 3-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Originally posted by malignant_tumor
Asexual reproduction seems to be the most logical and easiest method of reproduction.

For creating clones?

That's what asexual reproduction is essentially doing.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Your on the track as to what I think i'm talking about.

Are they performing an ongoing transition for us that started 10,000's of years ago to create a "perfect" organism able to clone itself to form another "perfect" individual through asexual reproduction?

reply to post by malignant_tumor


I see what you are saying. That's an interesting theory for sure. And I can definitely see the benefit of asexual reproduction giving some bad circumstances on the surface of Earth. I am not sure if I understand how you are thinking homosexuality/bisexuality is a middle ground for this transition though?...

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Well, we are born 1 sex. Homosexuality seems to be picking up steam throughout our existance. Whether it be from desensitation or someother reason. I made the analogy earlier pointing out to the movie Jurassic Park on how all female dinosaurs "found" a way to reproduce. If society became purely a homosexual society (way in the future) would humans find a way? Then continue to advance it from then on.

I propose another question.

If our race made it to an asexual form of reproduction, then at that time it was still considered a primitive form of reproduction. What would be your ideas for another advanced creative way of reproduction that would take into consideration for population control and effective non invasive or painstaking way?

I was reading about the Sumerians, and they said that they had gay relationships back then also. So, it has always been with us. Its Just the Catholic church suppressed it and said it wasnt right. But ancient civilizaitons were gay also