Politics create more drama than any other topic

It's always amazed me to see how much the topic of politics can anger people if they disagree on certain points. Politics are religion are the two topics that can literally cause a war over disagreement.

Shouldn't choosing a president be a positive experience? It is meant to bring people together, to choose on one person who can move our country forward in positive direction. Not an event that causes so much negativity on both sides. We all know everyone has their own views. That's life. So why do people get to offended when others don't see things the same way they do?

Presidential candidates are no different either. They spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on the best suits and hairstylists, looks shouldnt matter. Look at abraham lincoln, he wasnt the most handsome, but people DIDNT NOTICE those things nor care, back then when the presidents actually did something for their country. Nowadays candidates like to see how much they can bash the other, and how bad they can make eachother look, instead of being professional adults, and showing us that they dserve to look after this country. As of right now, it's a joke to me. The second one of the candidates said anything negative about the other, the other one shouldve been mature and moved on and kept talking about the positive things they plan on doing with this country. Not shoot back at the other with another insult after insult.

This is rediculous. When will we find a president who will bring everyone together instead of creating so much anger. That's what we need for our country to be where it needs to be. We need a change and we arent getting that change because people are too focused on fighting with eachother over who to vote for. Neither of the candidates deserve to be there. We deserve much more than either of them could give us

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You hit the nail right on the head...
I have pretty much given up on politics and religion.
I try to stay as far away as I can in most cases.
I think politics and religion are two of the worst things that have ever happened to mankind.
All they do is divide us.
They are both supposed to bring out the best in us, but now they have both become so twisted and perverted from their original intentions, that they only bring out the worst in us.
Mankind would be well served to completely remove both of them from it's scope of daily life.

Some people may laugh at me, or flame me for this, but I want you to read this and really think about the meaning, and the possibilities...

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one - John Lennon


[edit on 2-11-2008 by ashamedamerican]

Thats awesome. I completely agree with everything you said. I just wish there were more people out there who felt the same way.

We've been so brainwashed by a frightened society who want us to believe that we are going to suffer eternally for our sins... they are just running away from their own demons. They want to believe in a god who can forgive them because they can't forgive themselves. They want to believe in an answer for why we are here... when in fact, we will never know. Maybe there is no answer. Maybe we were created to just live for today and not think about what happens to us when we die. That's long from now.. and personally id rather focus on what im going to do to make my life awesome now, and not worry about what could happen when I die. That makes life pointless.

The devil and god are both sides to everyones personality. It is just a metaphor to show that everyone has lustful, angry, sad etc thoughts every once in a while, and every person has a good side to them as well.

Now that makes a whole lot more sense, and is a lot more comforting to me, then to think about a god and a devil and having to choose to be on either side.

Id rather live life believing we are god. We are satan. We are everything we want to be.

I totally agree with your view on this subject.

It makes me angry to watch television and NOT ONLY see the crazy lengths the candidates go through to look better than each other, but the lengths the MSM goes through to add all kinds of crazy spin and BS to the whole campaign.

Why can't people just focus on the views instead of everything breaking down to spin and "he said, she said?" I mean, you can't even talk about a direct quote from Obama or McCain without someone saying you're adding spin.

It's crazy.

Wonder how we could fix this?

Yeah supposedly sarah palin spent over 100,000 on a new wardrobe, as well as 12,000 a month just for a hairstylist.

I mean what is this? Are we voting for the next beauty queen? I want a president and vice president who care less about appearances and more about what they can do for us.

Who knows if we will ever have a normal, honest, and good president in office again.

lol

Probably not.

We should build a robot.

It can run the US w/o bias.

oh god. yeah that would definitely be.. interesting. hah.

until it turns on us and destroys the world

What does me is that although the percieved truth is that negative campaigning works best, I wonder if someone put half their negative campaign budget into 'policy research' they might find that they win some votes.....

Yeah its truly amazing how nasty the candidates get with eachother. You would think they'd have been arch enemies since birth.

Do we want people like that in office?

You would think that evil people would get along just fine with other evil people.
I guess they don't like competition...

Haha yeah thats true!

I dont necessarily think the candidates are evil.. I just think they arent smart. I dont think they know how to run a country. All they know is how to argue with eachother.

It doesnt help that most of the country goes along with it. People saying obama sounds too much like osama and is the anti-christ. And then people saying that mccain is an old man who will die in a year .

Americans feed the fuel to the fire. It says alot about our country and the people in it...

Originally posted by calihan123
Yeah its truly amazing how nasty the candidates get with eachother. You would think they'd have been arch enemies since birth.

But they get pally and we complain about the 'illusion of democracy' despite the fact that most of their hatred is, as you say, synthetic.

Do we want people like that in office?

Very Utopian, but in the current system most people wouldn't take the crap.

Politics and Religion will always fuel fiery debates and "discussions" because they are how people live their life. The only problem with either one of those two is that they label people into a way of life, and not a way of "thought". They are both philosophical constructs that are practiced differently then they are preached. To me, that is where it all plays out with people.

Back then the presidents weren't worried about how they looked because it didn't matter. They weren't on television. Now, appearance is everything. It makes you desirable and trumps up your credibility. What went wrong with the presidency was FDR. Great president? Debatable, however, he made the president seem more personable. He made the president accessible to the public. That kind of intimacy brought more to the hearts of the people than ever before. Kennedy's charm and good lucks appealed to the hearts of more people and helped him win the election. That is why candidates spend so much on suits and haircuts. Opulence has its place in the American Dream, and that is what we are all after, and that is what we want our leader to represent.

The next president, or ANY president here after, will not bring the people together. We are too busy trying to be different and unique then to understand our differences. Social groups are in a stacking war. We don't want to be a part of any group that is on the bottom getting trampled on, but in reality, someone always has to be on the bottom. Special interests groups and hidden-agenda politics, cuts through the heart of democracy. Once there are a group of people who are happy with being on the bottom of the "social order" then maybe we can talk about peace and unity. Until then, there will always be someone using those two words against the very people they want to help, just to get to the top (Obama). Will that person have all the answers? Who knows, but I've always been leery of someone telling me exactly what I want to hear.

Rock On...

Originally posted by calihan123
It's always amazed me to see how much the topic of politics can anger people if they disagree on certain points. Politics are religion are the two topics that can literally cause a war over disagreement.

Excellent post!

I agree...there is a saying, which states, "A mind convinced against it's will, is of the same opinion still"...

***Just to give credit for the quote...there are many variations and many supposed authors...(i.e. Samuel Butler (1612-1680) and Mary Wollstonecraft (1759-1797)***

Thus, no matter what is said regarding politics and religion...unless a person has a very "open mind," which is extremely rare (BTW, a closed mind is the most expensive thing you can own), it is fruitless to attempt to "change" anyone's mind...

Kinda like dating someone who has some "quirks" that you don't like, but saying to yourself and friends "I can change him/her..." Not!

Additionally, regarding religion...Judaism (and Christianity from Judaism)AND Islam originated from Abraham...the same father...and they have been killing each other for thousands of years...

Ridiculous....I will be so happy after January 20, 2009 (presidential "swearing in") when we can move onto how the individual who was SWORN in that day is still a part of the global elite and is still perpetuating the NWO....

Thanks for the post

Yeah exactly. We cant change either candidate.. why argue about it constantly? It just creates stress among people. I hate constantly being asked who im voting for, and when I mention who it is, they act like they just saw a nuclear bomb explosion. Why cant people accept that we have different opinions ?

Yep...and for about a week after Tuesday, the press will be all over the election (if that long)...And then everyone will go back to, once again, worrying about their job, a potential foreclosure on their home, their 401k plan, how to afford to go to the doctor, how to afford Christmas presents, etc...

We won't see any real change, if any, for at least six months to a year (AFTER January 20, 2009)...A family could be homeless by then...

I think the real lesson here is that there's a lot of money to be made in the field of campaign hairstyling

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Actually I've wondered that for a decade or more, especially lately since I started reading "Simulacra" by Phillip K Dick. In that novel the president lives like a celebrity on a show like a reality TV series and appears as a robot. I'm beginning to wonder if PKD was some kind of modern day Nostradamus.

Originally posted by calihan123
Yeah supposedly sarah palin spent over 100,000 on a new wardrobe, as well as 12,000 a month just for a hairstylist.

I mean what is this? Are we voting for the next beauty queen? I want a president and vice president who care less about appearances and more about what they can do for us.

Who knows if we will ever have a normal, honest, and good president in office again.

The problem is not so much the candidates, but the voters. They are only trying to sell to their target market. Most pay so little attention that things like a persons appearance, or some absolute lie actually do influence who they vote for.

Of course the media encourages this because they do not ask tough questions, or allow a real debate to happen by letting in 3rd party candidates to have time, and typically are actually generally positive to one or both candidates. Instead of bringing up real issues they focus on celebrity gossip, or some inconsequential crime. In other words people are encouraged to be ignorant about the issues - most likely on purpose.

Also many are paying so little attention due either to being firmly party loyal - nothing else needs to be considered, or completely frustrated by the whole process because they have realized both sides are lying.

It's quite unfortunate for us, but the saying you get the government you deserve is actually very true.

Your second point about how our elections process is a joke I agree with. To address your first point: naturally people get angry about politics, because the end-result affects their daily lives. If you sit back and let someone with an ideology you don't agree with take power, he will force his agenda on you. Depending on the ideology, this could be beneficial or ruinous.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. " - Plato