U.S. government and law enforcement agencies are planning to completely censor and control the Inte

Awe I love ATS

Its time to show them whose boss people!! I guess proxies won't even work - as the government would stop anybody at all who attempts at making an "illegal" website.

I wonder if they'd come knocking on the door or send a bill in the mail? Ive always wanted to meet a black coat. I'll be sure to try and break the law whenever its shaken down... hand him my laptop on his way out the door.

[[then go rob best buy ]]

Seriously: Do you honestly believe this is going to happen? Wouldn't the rest of the public see this as proof that the government has something to hide? Idk...

YouTube was probably the beginning of this cencorship.

I don't understand how effectively they can do this...

for all intents and purposes, the internet doesn't "exist"... instead it is a bazillion computers networked together. Domain names are just set up to point the viewer to the appropriate computer where the information is stored... but you can use IP addresses instead of domain names to navigate (if you know how).

This would probably make the internet more difficult to control, as it could move underground...

as I type this, i'm sitting next to a web server, that I built, hosting 3 websites, and is operating as a fileserver for a few as well...

they can delete the domain names pointing users to my computer, but they can't delete the websites unless they hack or destroy my computer.

If any of the Domain names gets nixed, the files are still available... I would just have to inform the viewers to access via the IP address and they would view the site like any other.

I do not see internet censorship as an advantage for law enforcement or World Gov't enforcement. As long as people discuss their topics openly the info is there for the taking. Taking the internet down would spell good news for a lot of jobless people who could get jobs as gov't operatives spying on their neighbors.

To venture a guess I think that the internet supplies a significant portion of the info the gov't uses to keep us down.

reply to post by cbass
You might want to visit the MicroSoft home page and read up on the terms and conditions of the new Silverlight Web Browsing experience they are pushing on everyone right now as an automatic download and a free upgrade. Particuarly the clause about security, which comes right after the detailing of what all Silverlight does.

Originally posted by hinky
The article is a great piece of fiction.

I got that glossed over the eyes look when reading about how the president is a figurehead (true) but others (more menacing) run the government. Also enjoyed the comment about the FBI and DHS.

I'm fairly pissed about the bailout and I have guns so I guess my internet will be censored. I'll probably be even more pis*ed about that than the bailout, but no one asked me for my opinion.

On a very positive note, I saw another more interesting article on the site about Obama's communist parentage. Perhaps we can have another thread started....

Well the censoring bit came after the FISA monitoring bit
that was blown wide open by the former ATT technician
that said they were not monitoring just phone calls,
and data xmissions from suspected terrorists but all Americans.

Here is the details of why Bush wanted to pardon all the Telcos
that were complicit in the eavesdropping on all Americans.

en.wikipedia.org...

They have been spying on all citizens for some time now,
and you can decide to believe or not, I don't care.

The censorship bit was decided on based on what they read
coming thru 641a.

It will a bill pushed thru under the guise of saving us from the evils of child porn and the like.

"we need a new restuctured internet, one that will ensure that our children are safe and not subject to being victims of peadophiles."

"You are for the bill.......Aren't you?"
" You do oppose child porn........don't you"?

Also see this link for what will happen to America.

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well i suspect the first thing people should do if they don't agree with this is to write or e-mail congress to say they don't want this to happen, screw the "child porn" accusations.

ATS is almost big enough at this stage to be able to act as a lobby group, there are enough active members and high profile people that associate with the site to be able to effect change if there is a concerted effort, not to mention all the other groups on the internet that have a legitimate reason to be worried by this.

like any other bill, this will only go through if it is allowed to go through.

It won't be any time soon. Like I said, libraries in rural areas can't even get books banned that no one in the town would read anyway. I mean, if small town libraries can't be censored why would one think the internet could be?

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Reading Lolita will hardly change a person's outlook on life.. spending time on sites such as ATS most definitely could, though.

From my point of view, lately, things are cascading towards totalitarianism at an ever increasing pace. Having a free Internet could seriously hamper their efforts at rounding up all their designated 'enemy's of the state'

For example, there's a thread on ATS asking members to post if they see large troop movements in their town which could indicate the nightmare of a Police state gearing up.

Now.. If ATS and simular sites get removed, we, the public, lose an important watchdog to alert us to such a change.

True, in the past, these sites served as a means to identify 'troublemakers', whistleblowers etc. while also being perfect to spread disinformation if and when needed..

But when the risk to their plans becomes greater then the advantages of having a free internet, I'm afraid we'll lose it.

That, of course, assumes there is a plan.

this is all very frightening; over the past few years the internet has become my main source of information, research, networking, and truth-seeking; I swore off cable tv long ago, knowing it was part of the mind-control matrix; with the internet I can cross-reference to my own heart's content -- connecting the pieces in a very complex puzzle; the web gives us an opportunity to continue thinking critically, with the ability to perceive the seemingly absurd against the seemingly reasonable, and get closer to the truth in our own way and at our own pace; it's also interactive, unlike television, which is spoon-fed; on the web we read, write, listen, look, create, organize, and share..

I hope beyond hope that we the people can save what only source of global truth-sharing we have left... key-word.. global; that may be our ace in the hole; after all, it is called the world-wide-web; how coud the U.S. censor something that stretches beyond its borders?

are there any posters here that could offer more technical insight into this potential problem?

peace

Originally posted by nj2day
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This would probably make the internet more difficult to control, as it could move underground...

as I type this, i'm sitting next to a web server, that I built, hosting 3 websites, and is operating as a fileserver for a few as well...

they can delete the domain names pointing users to my computer, but they can't delete the websites unless they hack or destroy my computer.

If any of the Domain names gets nixed, the files are still available... I would just have to inform the viewers to access via the IP address and they would view the site like any other.

We need an underground ASAP, I say! Time to set up Plan B for when/if they do this shutting down. Maybe a low-tech message-spreading system.

Seriously, though, I feel we need to be one step ahead and have backup plans. The internet's all we've really got in our up-to-the-minute information movement. Without it we're toast, as far as knowing anything important and being able to form independent opinions based on uncensored fact.

If we wait until it's done, it'll be too late because we won't have the basic networking abilities needed to implement a new communication plan.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by wintermarches]

reply to post by cbass

ACTUALLY,

Obama's thuggery has been MOST fiercely and most repeatedly and most overtly evident toward stifling freedom of speech.

Throwing dissenting reporters off his plane.

Blacklisting news organizations that asked him or Biden tough questions.

Trashing Joe Plumber and insuring that he got illegally investigated in government files.

Subscribing to and coercively foisting whenever possible the values and thuggery of Marxism toward freedom of speech--total freedom to lie for the Marxists and total freedom to kill, maim, coerce, blacklist, wall off any and all dissent.

He would rush the internet silencing and !!!!CONTROL!!!! of his globalist puppet masters at the speed of light.

Otherwise, it might take at least some precious months if not years longer to be in place.

reply to post by Phatcat


Internet 2 is a good thing man. The internet gen has gotten way out of hand. Nothing against what you guys do here but hackers and the like are creating a very unstable situation without even leaving their homes. Internet 2 will be a good thing. It's going to protect kids from pedophiles and all kinds of good stuff.

The govt doesn't want to hinder your free speech or to take away your freedom but they don't necessarily want you to hand out our secrets to the enemy either.

The government may shut down ATS and monitor the internet, but they will never silence our voices. If we should even die for our freedom of speech, there will always be others to take our place..........................

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Free speech is of course important. But what can you do except to try and run for election in order to create better laws. This is democracy after all. In my country they are starting to watch what is going on in the internet, which is good to a certain point. But it would not be nice not to be able to write what I think.

There are many sources pointing to corporate and other events that will limit your free speech. But the U.S. is not a democracy. Never was. It was a Constitutional Republic. But it is not that any more, is it? It is an Empire. A Hegemony. You should be able to write precisely what you think. Running for election is an illusion. Creating better laws ... an illusion. You'd better start drinking fluoride-free water. _javascript:icon('') And get your souls back. and Be prepared to die for your Republic. After all, just what is worth your dying for? I've a fifteen year old son. Very good at Hapkido. A black belt. Academically gifted. Knows what's going down. I've advised him to run, to hide, to kill, if need be, to avoid being drafted into a U.S. global hegemonic war. I only hope he can survive. I know I will not. I would happily die so as to give him a chance to escape the Blackwater Praetorian guard. So I wonder, will your children fight for the Empire? Or will they fight for freedom? What do You hope for your children?

Is it against the rules to start a petition on ats for the purpose of sendnig it to congress?
It is internet forums like this which unites all of our voices and makes us stronger in numbers.
We could be one huge vioce here.

Here's a link that talks about how the government could, if they wanted to, implement internet censoring.

www.myapologetics.com...

Is it possible to still perhaps continue sharing information using telnet? Even the govt. could censor that since in essence, the users would be accessing our own servers instead of using the domain names. Or as one user poitned out, you'd be connecting directly to an IP address as opposed to a domain name.

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The government is going to kick itself off the internet.
The net is no place for government people to has access to.
Work at their jobs that we pay them to do.
Our money is keping them alive.
We pay them, we control them.

Soon the government will be bare bones as tax revenues decline.
NYC Mayor Blumberg will have to brown bag it like like everyone else.
No more big stock plays.

Government lie protection can't be helped by tin hats.