Guess what happened to me at my local DMV office?-(Hint: A passport isn't a valid ID!!!)

You can use a Passport in Texas for ID when you upgrade your CDL for Haz-Mat. It is on the approved list for that. It takes the place of the Birth Certificate requirment.

reply to post by wrangell76


Nothing that unusual. There's a term for this type of treatment. It's called a "F* around".

They only do it to p*** you off. I'm serious. The Government likes to make people angry, I believe it's part of the elite's plan.

I can beat your experience with mine here in Adelaide too.

A few years back, I lost my driver's licence (literally, not disqualified). So I went into motor registration to get a replacement.

Because my licence was a HC class (semi trailer), it's a federal one, not a state one. The lady behind the counter told me I didn't have enough ID for them to issue a replacement.

But she seemed to take great pleasure in telling me that I did have enough ID for them to downgrade my licence to a car licence. If I then use my existing ID, along with the car licence (that I would have to wait 2 weeks for), I would have enough ID for them to reissue my HC class licence. Too bad I wouldn't be able to work during that 2 weeks...

It's all part of the grand plan. Trust me.

Interesting. I didn't have to supply a a social security card they just asked me for the number and the license from my home state.

I just check the Texas DMV web site

www.txdps.state.tx.us...

It states that the passport was enough by its self. The woman did not know what she was talking about according to the Texas DMV web site.

Thank god, now people have a sounding board for a time when they were not prepared or did not do everything right and had to deal with it. All these poor people that were not treated specially just because they wanted to be, even though they did not even follow the steps to be treated as they deserved had they followed the rules.

I can just imagine that MP3 listener when he got pulled over by the cops before his liscence was taken, complaining about how he was just being picked on for the way he looked, talked, walked, dressed, whatever. First he breaks the law and they have the audacity to take his liscence. You show up unprepared for a NEW liscence and they turn you down. What next, I really hope these pages just fill with sob stories of how people went somewhere, did not do their part, and still did not get treated like royalty.

Talk about entitlement society. People do not kiss your behind because you woke up today and got your haircut, tucked in your pants, and put your phone away before going into the DMV. Sorry, it just does not work that way.

I hope that one of these whiners that is writing in to support this pathetic story takes a better swing at coming up with a reason why than the OP did. So far this is just a thread about complaining about life being life.

When did ATS become about that?

*snip*

Removed Off Topic Snide remark

Please use the complaint function for complaints
[edit on 1-11-2008 by Lucifer Rising]

[edit on 11/1/2008 by semperfortis]

reply to post by fixer1967


On the page you linked to it clearly states in bold lettering:

"(All applicants for a driver license must also provide proof of their social security number)"

This is above any id documentation presented. A passport is not proof of your SSN if the SSN isn't on it.

your passport didn't look like this by any chance?




not a one liner just just lightning the mood its 6:30 am an i'm tired

I remember when I applied for my first passport I had to jump through all kinds of hoops. Besides Birth Certificate, SS & Drivers License I had to bring someone that knew me for 10 years or more. Maybe they don't do that anymore.

Anyone can make a fake Social Security Card and getting a drivers license is as easy as bringing in a birth certificate in most states (ID thieves get new ones all the time) . Obviously Texass are one of those places that wants to make you jump through extra hoops. It's not your fault, you'd think that if they created a new law requiring Social Security verification they'd be smart enough to set up their computer systems to handle it, but nope instead they allow people to bring in an easily counterfeited piece of card board and call it good. That's why so many criminals have it so easy to get multiple ID's.

Let's quit making excuses for them not having the proper systems in place to verify peoples Social Security numbers. If your going to put that in as a form of ID you better have a means to verify it. There's no excuse for this incompetence. Obviously they have an incompetent IT department - surprise, surprise.

Now we have idiots at the DMV asking for a card that can be created in a few minutes on any computer, but they wont take a U.S. Passport that is the most difficult to get a fake or counterfeit?

See the problem we have here is, these low level state employees like to push their weight around anytime they can get away with it and they don't like you putting a superior form of ID then the one their selling you. It's like you insulted them or something by presenting the ID. So, now they want to make you jump through an extra hoop.

Remember most these government employees are too stupid to find their way around the world, and they can't deal with people in other countries that they don't have something over - so they don't go and they're jealous of people who can afford and are smart enough to get around the world a bit.

Next time compliment the mental midget government employee and make them feel superior and you might get further.

I too was once denied buying alcohol by some inbred retard working at a 7-eleven who didn't even know what a passport was because she had never seen one before. Yeah, I can buy a fake out of state ID for $15 on the internet or city street corner and buy alcohol if I was underage, but If I'm legit and show superior world wide ID the inbred retards don't get it, and never will. Funny thing is According to the Liquor Control Board a Passport is a valid form of ID for purchasing alcohol.

Border guards, TSA, DMV flunkies, jail employees etc. are all people with very little education, but at sometime you might have to deal with them, so smile and walk softly around them and cooperate when withing their jurisdiction or they might abuse their power over you and make your life more difficult, because they can.

[edit on 1-11-2008 by verylowfrequency]

in the uk for many years now, a passport, birth certificate, drivers licence, medical card, national insurance card etc are NOT regarded as proof of you ID.

However, bills and bank statements are. How messed up is that?

reply to post by justyc


Yep, that's how you make financial slaves out of supposedly free people you tie everything to money.

They use to just not renew your license when you didn't pay your parking tickets, now they send you to private collections and damage your credit as well. They will even steal your vehicle nicely called impound and you'll wish it was stolen after the bill exceeds your insurance deductible.

If you don't pay your traffic infraction on time they suspend your license and send you to collections. If they require you to appear for the infraction and you don't they put out a bench warrant for you and throw you in jail - until you pay them their money, plus fee multipliers worse than any credit card company and bail.

It's a racket that has nothing to do with safety it's all about revenue collection and enforcing it by destroying your life and charging compounding fees if you don't comply.

My friend was thrown in jail and they confiscated her phone so she couldn't call me to get her out. Then they provided her with a pay phone after taking her money so she would have to call me collect. They billed me $25 and change for a 15 minute phone call, yep nearly $2 a minute, but they don't tell you until you get the bill - three calls later you up to $100. Complete robbery. It's nothing but a racket and does not serve the good of the people in any way.

Edit: Oh yeah, and they're supposed to be our servants.

[edit on 1-11-2008 by verylowfrequency]

reply to post by verylowfrequency


Wow! What is this world coming to. All your friend did was commit a crime and then refuse to answer it in time, and they treated your friend like a criminal????? The NERVE! And the fact that it cost you money because your friend who commited a crime and did not hold up responsibility for it leaned on you for help? This world is sick.

Next thing you know, they will start making more crimes illegal and they might start putting people in jail for some, or worse. I cannot believe there are laws and rules.

Oh, well, I'm gonna get stoned and put on a blindfold and drive through residential areas at high speeds. Any cops stop me and I know it is because I am white and they are just bored. I bet I even get punished when I get caught, just like your friend did. Man that is unfair.

Sorry forgot to add...

For all the people complaining about being treated poorly because of a lack of following simple laws and or rules to begin with...(tiny violins)

[edit on 1-11-2008 by Lucifer Rising]

I would like to add to the OP, thanks so much for this thread. It has been a great source of entertainment in a desperately needed time around this place. It has made me laugh, cry, think. I cannot explain the fun this thread has been for me, and not in responding, just reading the wonderful things so many good honest American people have to worry about. Perhaps you should all form a group and see if there are other countries that do not punish criminals or make people come back to the DMV because they did not show up prepared to begin with. I will start looking now, I would more than glad to help you all out!

Maybe that girl was just an idiot, and too dumb to ring it up in the computer. I work at a gas station, and do the same thing with the EBT cards...

reply to post by Lucifer Rising


There is good and evil in this world and what is defined a crime today usually has nothing to do with evil, it has more to do with revenue collection and control. I don't think I've ever met anyone who drives that has never had a ticket. So, in the minds of people like you we're all criminals. However in reality it is your thinking that is a manifestation of evil, which in my opinion is criminal.

You have been indoctrinated and your mind is not free. Your words tell me you wish to indoctrinate others who don't think as you and if they don't comply you label them as criminals.

If you've ever read any books or seen any movies like Braveheart it's not hard to see that it's the state that represents evil or are criminals in the eyes of God as well as in the minds of the people.

Besides If being a free thinking self ruled human being is being a criminal in they eyes of your kind. I'm more than happy to be a criminal.

I decide how fast I'll drive, I use the speed limit, conditions, traffic, everyone safety and personal desire as my guide. If I want to smoke, or drink or consume anything made available to me by GOD, I'll do as I see fit and the law only means I have to be smarter than those trying to stop me or molest me.

Criminal hell yeah, I'm proud to be a criminal in your eyes, because I know in God's eyes I represent good and real criminals are manifestations evil. Evil like those who control and molest others for the purposes of extracting labor or enslavement to support themselves or their beliefs.

I'm free to do as I like in this world and anything I do or think of is my god given right as a human being born on earth. Nobody has any right to stop me as long as I interfere with nobody else. Don't like it try to stop me. It's my world - welcome to it.

[edit on 1-11-2008 by verylowfrequency]

I give cdl driving exams for a living. The state that I work for, I would rather not mention which one it is, require three things to switch a u.s. citizens dl from another state to this one.
A certified birth cert., us passport or current active military id card. Second, a another form of id, like the other states dl, a school issued id, state veh. registration, veh. title, etc.. Third, proof of you residential address, like a post office change of address confirmation card, forwarding label on mail, bank account statement.
People often get angry because we make them produce documentation to get id's and drivers licenses, however, in the near future everyone will have to produce the bc, passport, etc. to renew their dl's as we are going to attempt to take the dl's that should have never been issued before.
I think it is a good thing, too many illegals have acquired stuff they should have not gotten.
Unlike B.O. I am more than proud to prove that I'm a legal citizen.

They just needed to see the number of your beast, lol.

In Canada, We have the Social Insurance Number, or SIN for short.

SIN... 'nuff said.

That's sounds a bit off to me! I have been a door man in several states ( bouncer). The department of Alcohol, tobacoo, and firearms (ATF) is te regulator for what is an aceptable form of ID. We were given four acceptable forms. The US military ID, State issued ID, State issueded driver's licenses, and a valid US passport.


I think the woman you were dealing with just felt like beeing a b*tch!

First of all- I'd like to thank Lucifer Rising for being a 2 bit disinfo agent and govt worker here to tell us we deserve the crap we get slung in our faces....

And second, YES. It is all about the money. And yes, I have been called a criminal, too. I never have stolen, or broken the law in any other way to justify the name I was tagged with.

I am a careful driver. I try not to speed, or do anything stupid, because the car I have would a) be turned into a ball of tinfoil, and b) if I did survive, and the car was recoverable, the insurance would total it, hand me $500, and that's all chuckie.

I have gotten ONE ticket I truly deserved- because I wasn't watching my speed at ALL. I even said that to the trooper when he pulled me. Others, I was given because the city I lived in IS a moneymaking machine, and it is throwing EVERY. LAST. POOR PERSON. Out. The city is so corrupt, a couple actual 'good' cops I know about threw in the towel and said stuff about the police force there I cant and wont repeat- so the post doesn't get thrown out, mostly.....

Lucy- fur, it IS about how much monetary control the govt can exercise over you. It IS no more than just a power play 99% of the time. There are people do get tickets, and who do deserve them, but a LOT of people do NOT. Now be a good boy and go tell your evil overlord masters we're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it any more.


[edit on 1-11-2008 by wylekat]

From The Texas Department Of Public Saftey Website,
The clerk was Wrong
www.txdps.state.tx.us...

MUST INCLUDE PHOTO,
FULL NAME AND DOB RECORDED US GOVERNMENTAL DOCUMENTS
(INCLUDES NAME & DOB) ADDITIONAL RECORDS AND DOCUMENTS THAT AID IN ESTABLISHING IDENTITY
Accepted for Identification Without
additional documentation An applicant must present one secondary and two supporting or two secondary documents to establish identity
Texas driver license (DL) or identification certificate (ID) with photo within two-years of expiration date.

Unexpired United States passport

United States Citizenship Certificate or Certificate of Naturalization with identifiable photo
( N-560, N-561, N-645, N-550, N-55G, N-570 or N-578)

Unexpired Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) or US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services document issued for a period of at least one year and must be valid for no less than six (6) months from the date presented to the department with a completed application. The document must contain verifiable data and identifiable photo, specifically:

US Citizen Identification Card
(I-179 or I-197)
Resident Alien Card (I-551)
Temporary Resident Identification Card (I-688)
Employment Authorization Card
(I-688A, I-688B or I-766)

A Foreign Passport with a visa (valid or expired) and:


Form I-94 with status code F1, F2, M1, or M2, an unexpired Form I-20, and evidence of current enrollment in an educational institution located in Texas or sponsorship in a visiting worker program or,

Form I-94 with status code J-1 or J-2 and an unexpired Form IAP-66 or Form DS-2019 or,

Unexpired Form I-94 with a defined expiration date: Form I-94 must have been issued for a period of at least one year and have at least six months validity remaining.

Unexpired United States military ID card for active duty, reserve or retired personnel with identifiable photo.

MUST INCLUDE PHOTO,
FULL NAME AND DOB RECORDED US GOVERNMENTAL DOCUMENTS
(INCLUDES NAME & DOB) ADDITIONAL RECORDS AND DOCUMENTS THAT AID IN ESTABLISHING IDENTITY
Accepted for Identification Without
additional documentation An applicant must present one secondary and two supporting or two secondary documents to establish identity
Texas driver license (DL) or identification certificate (ID) with photo within two-years of expiration date.

Unexpired United States passport

United States Citizenship Certificate or Certificate of Naturalization with identifiable photo
( N-560, N-561, N-645, N-550, N-55G, N-570 or N-578)

Unexpired Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) or US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services document issued for a period of at least one year and must be valid for no less than six (6) months from the date presented to the department with a completed application. The document must contain verifiable data and identifiable photo, specifically:

US Citizen Identification Card
(I-179 or I-197)
Resident Alien Card (I-551)
Temporary Resident Identification Card (I-688)
Employment Authorization Card
(I-688A, I-688B or I-766)

A Foreign Passport with a visa (valid or expired) and:


Form I-94 with status code F1, F2, M1, or M2, an unexpired Form I-20, and evidence of current enrollment in an educational institution located in Texas or sponsorship in a visiting worker program or,

Form I-94 with status code J-1 or J-2 and an unexpired Form IAP-66 or Form DS-2019 or,

Unexpired Form I-94 with a defined expiration date: Form I-94 must have been issued for a period of at least one year and have at least six months validity remaining.

Unexpired United States military ID card for active duty, reserve or retired personnel with identifiable photo.

Originally posted by verylowfrequency
reply to post by Lucifer Rising

 

There is good and evil in this world and what is defined a crime today usually has nothing to do with evil, it has more to do with revenue collection and control. I don't think I've ever met anyone who drives that has never had a ticket. So, in the minds of people like you we're all criminals. However in reality it is your thinking that is a manifestation of evil, which in my opinion is criminal....blah blah blah.....

Do people here even read what they respond to anymore or just say whatever insipid response that floats into their heads regardless of the what was actually said.

I never said anyone was being evil, I said criminal. Yep, you bet I got a ticket once when I was younger. Did I get on the internet and start a thread about how awful it was that just because I got a ticket, I had to go to court and pay a fine and all that crap? No, I was wrong, I got caught, I paid for my CRIME.

Evil has nothing to do with it. I never said evil, please get some glasses and take a class on English before you respond to me again. I want it to be worth responding to.

I said, there are rules. I never said they are good or bad rules, justified or not. I simply said that when you break them, you do not get to whine about how unfairly you were treated when you knew what the rules were and there is nothing UNJUST about them.

Why did your friend lose her liscence? I am going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess she did something that she was not supposed to. When that happens and you get caught, you get punished, that is how America does things.

To the OP who got so baddly taken care of for not looking to see what they needed to have with them to get a NEW liscence, hey maybe that is an unjust rule, but had the OP looked and seen what it was, gotten what she needed and had it with her, we would not be having this argument.

So we are all here reading and discussing this because the OP cannot show up prepared to a place where she needs people to do her a service, and your friend that broke that law had to lose her liscence and get arrested. Booooo Hooooo.

Lots of laws are unjust. Unfortunately, here in America, you do not get to just break the ones you do not approve of and move on. I should get to smoke pot, take acid, and hit on 16 yr old girls, but in this state it is against the law.

Here is my secret, I just do not break those laws. Amazing, I know, but I do not ever have to get online an whine for pages about how baddly I got treated because I did something wrong. It is amazing how easy life can go when you do what you should and have what you are supposed to.