Why don't UFO's produce a sonic boom?

A plasma which causes the glow of most sightings, creates a gravity well which creates a barrier, wind, lighting, fire, rain wont affect this. This also with the right technology can be used to open point to point doorways, or rather..wormholes.

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my oppinion.
they do not create a sonic boom because the machine controls the electrons on earth and in space, from all particles, molecules, when the machine is turned on.

like a van de graph: the particles will fly away from the craft or the ball of a van de graph. if a van de graph were powerful enough it would not only repel paper particles, but would repel itself away from the ground you stand on.

control the earths gravity pull and you can float a bowling ball on earth, like a bowling ball will float in space. by increasing the static charge more than the earths charge,but the same pole.

hot and cold creates movements of the molecules in the clouds, these movements causes molecules to collide, causing electrons to be stripped from the molecules and spun. the rate of spin determines the charge. the electrons then build up in the clouds or air. when elecrons are building charge," more elecrtrons spinning" the electrons need a path or connection to jump from one air,water molecule to another. the electrons hit this target and the electrons follows the least path of resistance till it is discharged thru the water molecules in the air, or the ground, depending on the charge, number of particles it hits and path of resistance to the ground or not.

the disscharge; movements of the electrons, plasma thru the air or to the ground causes heat in the air. the plasma then strikes the ground, or target and then makes a noise.
the electrons hit a target, water molecules, in air and produce a snap noise when it travels from one molecule to the next, thru the air. the noise when the electrons hits the targets will be slower than the electron itself,thus the light first and then the snaps of the electron movement, then the loud boom in lightning. the boom is due to the vacumn produced by the movement of the electrons thru the air. the stripped electrons in motion creates its own gravity or pole and the gravity creates a vacumn in back of the electron flow and that vacumn gets left behind and collapses causing a thunder, boom noise. the light hits first because the light is faster than the noise of the boom.
when me and a friend were walking up the driveway we felt the hair on our head stand up, then a light struck the trees next to us, then sparks. i remember hearing the sparks first and then right after that a loud boom.

a plane going faster than the speed of sound;
a plane traveling at high velocity will cause a vacumn in the back of the plane, that is why when a plane at high velocity going across water ,lets say 20 feet above water will give that water tail in the back as the plane flys by. this vacum in the back of the plane at very high velocities, the plane will leave behind the vacumn. the vacumn will then collapse and produce a loud noise in the back of the plane after it already left the area.

a ufo will not produce this noise, sonic boom, because the machine controls the electron flow so that the electron never hits its target thus a gravity is created , because it makes its own gravity and controls it so it can turn a 90 degree angle at 5000 miles per hour, or stop.

a van de graph creates its own gravity. static electricity. gravity. the machine will repel paper when you throw at it and if it were strong enough could repel off the ground you stand on and also if you were inside of the van de graph, you too will move like a ufo if the van de graph was strong enough. i beleive. if you are a scientist or a hard thinker you will take this info to heart.

I go along with dhatz,eyesii "field" propulsion of some kind. If this field somehow can accelerate matter then it can be applied to the air around it as well.

There may be a clue in Heflin photo #4 of the Heflin 1965 case . This photo was taken after the craft departed depositing a "blue black" smoke ring - which imo was dense water vapour.

Maybe the air would follow "field" lines of an exotic propulsion system, like the magnetic field in the following pic of a tokamak. Accelerating along the crafts direction of travel, then outward, then finally looping back in - perhaps condensing when the field is removed to form the smoke ring photographed by Heflin. Just a guess!

Sonic booms and transparent disc like UFO's are the real deal! You have to witness it yourself, not try to analyze the plausibility of it. Now where is the audio footage of the camera man with wind muffled sounds, people screaming, two sonic booms and the camera man saying "Oh god". Where is that audio? The video on youtube is fake but where did the audio get taken from?

Originally posted by EyesII
As a general thought, I know the Navy has produced torpedos that propel underwater at "impossible" speeds.

The secret lies in releasing a controlled air stream in front of the torpedo which creates an air bubble around the torpedo that removes the water friction which slows down the torpedo. Now the torpedo onlyhas air friction to contend with. Air has less friction than water does thus allowing the torpedo to go faster.

Perhaps the UFO's are doing the same type of thing. Instead of air injected in front of the direction of travel, maybe here is something else that repels the air causing a vacuum which has no friction or sonic-boom associated with it.

The Navy thing was reported in Popular Science about 6 months ago. The UFO thing is my speculation. I don't know what is placed, if anything, in front of the UFO's travel direction that makes the air move away. A magnetic field is a good idea, but somehow I don't think that is what the UFO's use. They probably have some thing that we (general public) don't yet know about.

-EyesII

thanks for those details...

But the supercavitating torpedo—a rocket-propelled weapon that speeds through the water enveloped in a nearly frictionless air bubble—may render obsolete the old submarine strategy of sly maneuvering and silent running to evade the enemy.

www.popsci.com...

Supercavitation is the use of cavitation effects to create a large bubble of gas inside a liquid, allowing an object to travel at great speed through the liquid by being wholly enveloped by the bubble.[citation needed] The cavity (the bubble) reduces the drag on the object, since drag is normally about 1,000 times greater in liquid water than in a gas. Current applications are mainly limited to very fast torpedoes.

en.wikipedia.org...


now this is where it gets interesting....

It may be possible to meet DARPA's target for the sonic boom by changing the shape of the aircraft, and without using exotic technologies such as plasmas.

www.globalsecurity.org...


exotic technologies such as plasmas? hmmmm.... whats that?

but we can't get around the laws of physics right?





anywhoo.... plasma cavitation anybody?

www.thunderbolts.info...

some more 'facts'.....

Deep, very narrow magnetic-field-aligned density depletions were observed by the Freja spacecraft during auroral oval crossings. These cavities have perpendicular width of the order of the electron skin depth c/ωpe and are associated with low-frequency electromagnetic perturbations and with discrete auroral structures. We demonstrate here that these cavities are likely produced by the ponderomotive force of inertial Alfvén waves.

Fine-scale cavitation of ionospheric plasma caused by inertial Alfvén wave ponderomotive force
authors.library.caltech.edu...

Plasma density cavitation due to inertial Alfvén wave heating
pop.aip.org...

Plasma cavitation and standing solitons due to stimulated Brillouin pulsations
www.swip.ac.cn...

Plasma formation and temperature measurement during single-bubble cavitation
www.nature.com...

Plasma cavitation in ultraintense laser interactions with underdense helium plasmas
iopscience.iop.org...


hmmm... any connections to roswell or any other recovered crashed 'flying disks' ?

In a letter to researcher William Steinman, Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher who was with the Washington Institute of Technology, confirms that some of the scientists involved in the study of recovered flying discs were Dr. Vannever Bush, John von Neumann, and Dr. Robert Oppenheimer. Steinman also discovered that one of the scientists working on saucer technology from the early days was Dr. Eric Henry Wang who became Director of the Department of Special Studies, within the Structures Division, of the old Wright Air Development Center, near Dayton, Ohio.

The Bi-Field Theory:
From a scientist: “The primary propulsion system is electro-magnetic flux directional positive force generating system. The secondary propulsion system is a anti-gravity (using fluid plasma) directional negative force generating system. Remember, these are our terms. The entire craft can be a super conductor or a super capacitor depending on how the propulsion system is configured. Like I said, the system is extremely complicated. Unless you understand the entire system, which we don't, you won't understand what I am saying. The electrical system works on a vacuum vacated energy principle. This system generates an unlimited amount of power. The Visitors have determined that hydrogen has many more isotopes than we thought. H5 is one isotopes they harnessed and use as a catalyst inside the power device.”

What is a negative force generating system?

This was something proposed a long time ago by engineer Leonard G. Cramp in trying to explain flying saucer propulsion when he alluded to the bi-field theory, the G field and the R field. He says, “Of the G field-propelled craft discussed earlier (the use of an artificially created gravitational field), we could say that it was gravitationally moved towards its point source, or, due to a decreased gravitational field strength above it, it is repelled by the ‘denser’ space beneath, and either could be equally true…of the R-field (Repulsion Field) vehicle, we might say that was repulsively moved away from its point source or, due to the increased gravitational field strength below it, it is attracted to the less ‘dense’ space above, and either could be true..” Leonard goes on to propose that both G-field and R-field, one convertible into the other are in use in UFOs.

Paul Hill, retired and now deceased NASA scientist in his excellent technical analysis of UFOs in his book Unconventional Flying Objects considers that the UFO generates a repulsive field. He says, “it is shown that the UFO field is not of the static-electric or static-magnetic type. Rather, it appears to be a quasi-static field of a negative-gravity type. This is concluded because the data shows that the UFO field repels all mass, not just electrically charged or magnetic materials.”

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furthermore....

Townsend Brown’s Electrogravitic Capacitors:

Strange as it seems it was during the 1950s that various aircraft companies started research projects on the control of gravity and electro-gravitational propulsion. It is possible that these projects constituted some of the first reverse engineering projects on extraterrestrial propulsion systems.

American physicist and inventor, T. Townsend Brown discovered an effect of highly charged disk-shaped capacitors. When the capacitors were charged in excess of 50 KV, they would have a tendency to accelerate in the direction of the positive pole. Suspending a number of these disk capacitors from a freely rotating carousel would cause, when charged, the entire assembly to rotate. These charged capacitors could also levitate.

According to the Air Force Manual from Wright-Patterson AFB on Electrogravitics we have this description on the Thomas Townsend Brown discovery.

Electrogravitics might be described as a synthesis of electrostatic energy used for propulsion - either vertical propulsion or horizontal or both - and gravitics, or dynamic counterbary, in which energy is also used to set up a local gravitational force independent of the earth’s.

Electrostatic energy for propulsion has been predicted as a possible means of propulsion in space when the thrust from a neutron motor or ion motor would be sufficient in a dragless environment to produce astronomical velocities. But the ion motor is not strictly a part of the science of electrogravitics, since barycentric control in an electrogravitics system is envisaged for a vehicle operating within the earth’s environment and it is not seen initially for space application. Probably large scale space operations would have to await the full development of electrogravitics to enable large pieces of equipment to be moved out of the region of the earth’s strongest gravity effects. So, though electrostatic motors were thought of in 1925, electrogravitics had its birth after the War, when Townsend Brown sought to improve on the various proposals that then existed for electrostatic motors sufficiently to produce some visible manifestation of sustained motion. Whereas earlier electrostatic tests were essentially pure research, Brown’s rigs were aimed from the outset at producing a flying article. As a private venture he produced evidence of motion using condensers in a couple of saucers suspended by arms rotating round a central tower with input running down the arms. The massive-k situation was summarized subsequently in a report, Project Winterhaven, in 1952. Using the data some conclusions were arrived at that might be expected from ten or more years of intensive development - similar to that, for instance, applied to the turbine engine. Using a number of assumptions as to the nature of gravity, the report postulated a saucer as the basis of a possible interceptor with Mach 3 capability. Creation of a local gravitational system would confer upon the fighter the sharp-edged changes of direction typical of motion in space.

The essence of electrogravitics thrust is the use of a very strong positive charge on one side of the vehicle and a negative on the other. The core of the motor is a condenser and the ability of the condenser to hold its charge (the k-number) is the yardstick of performance. With air as 1, current dielectrical materials can yield 6 and use of barium aluminate can raise this considerably, barium titanium oxide (a baked ceramic) can offer 6,000 and there is promise of 30,000, which would be sufficient for supersonic speed.

The original Brown rig produced 30 fps on a voltage of around 50,000 and a small amount of current in the milliamp range. There was no detailed explanation of gravity in Project Winterhaven, but it was assumed that particle dualism in the subatomic structure of gravity would coincide in its effect with the issuing stream of electrons from the electrostatic energy source to produce counterbary. The Brown work probably remains a realistic approach to the practical realization of electrostatic propulsion and sustentation. Whatever may be discovered by the Gravity Research Foundation of New Boston a complete understanding and synthetic reproduction of gravity is not essential for limited success. The electrogravitics saucer can perform the function of a classic lifting surface - it produces a pushing effect on the under surface and a suction effect on the upper, but, unlike the airfoil, it does not require a flow of air to produce the effect.

www.astrosciences.info...

enjoy..

Originally posted by mcrom901
plasma cavitation anybody?

hmmmm..... any thoughts re this?

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Sonic Boom: When an object passes through the air, it creates a series of pressure waves in front of it and behind it, similar to the bow and stern waves created by a boat. These waves travel at the speed of sound, and as the speed of the object increases, the waves are forced together, or compressed, because they cannot "get out of the way" of each other

A sonic boom is a result of something interacting with the laws of physics.

These spacecraft stand outside the laws of physics, some have witnessed these craft exceeding the speed of light.

Just a thought,


-G

Hello all,

"Why don't UFO's produce a sonic boom?"

I'm believing to think their craft while in motion are actually moving everything Air, Ions, space...(YUP), from the direction the craft is proceeding to where the craft was.

Decoy

As Intelgurl said, it's all about where the waves go. For all we know, either the waves are arrested due to some kind of wormhole like effect, or the waves are pushed up instead of down, so we don't hear it (similar to stuff we are working on for our own supersonic craft)....

I'm going with the alien spacecraft are not made of matter theory.

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I always thought the 'meissner effect' would explain propulsion.
Could affect the sonic boom maybe.

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I think that some might produce a sonic boom - but those that don't - I feel that it is most likely because they are not solely relying on aerodynamics to sustain flight. Explaining why - might require writing a novel. I dunno. Anyone have a shorter version?

Look at it this way. You shine a little laser light dot on the wall, and move it really fast, you can get the dot to travel faster than sound, yet it doesn't make any kind of sonic boom. Might be the same thing with UFOs. What people are seeing might only be a kind of reflection or translation of the thing from whatever dimension it's really into to our level of perception of 1 to 4 dimensions. So it's not really "all there," and not interacting with the air and distance etc., in the same way things to in our reality.

Maybe.

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Sorry - now reading backwards - I think posters here have entered some very good hypothesis. I am enjoying reading them. Thank you, all.

Apparently air is not moved especially if a steady hover is attainable in
wind and storm as the inventor so stated.
The inventor being dead we have no one to ask.
Thus per chance an ether solution.
Since ether is a dead issue as well we have no idea why there is no
sonic boom for a potential 300 mile per second aircraft.

Just how much air is affected by the Tesla waves or charge distribution
in flight we can only imagine as no government document or secret
government document is readily available.

Since negative charge is collected leaving only positive charge in the
air, the like charges do not crash together making the sonic boom.
I think that is that accepted reason for no sonic boom.

I have heard of reports where people said they had encountered a landed craft and when they approached it, the air seemed to get "thick" nearest the craft, to the point where they felt if they had gone any closer they might have gotten stuck... Now who knows if those reports are true or not, but it got me thinking... What if the crafts "drag" the air around the craft (outward of a meter or so) with them as they travel... How would that effect flight and acceleration, and could that reduce or prevent a sonic boom? Also, I do not believe that the lack of a sonic boom is a side effect of the "propulsion system", but more of a feature which is either a part of it or a part of some other "system".

Personally, if they really do exist and are really visiting us (aliens), if I had to guess how their propulsion works, it would be the direct channeling or conversion of electricity (or some other form of energy) right into the craft in the form of kinetic energy, which in a controlled manner would make that object move (due to the laws of motion) and or the ability to draw out the kinetic energy of the craft (which is traveling through space just like the earth and sun and perhaps galaxy) and store it in a different form (perhaps electric potential) which should result in the object moving in the opposite direction of it's travel through space? Assuming any of this is possible of course, and if not, then generating gravity fields would be my next guess.

How they avoid the g-forces from such high accelerations is beyond me though.

Originally posted by hotrice
Why don't UFO's produce a sonic boom? In many of the sightings the UFO's suddenly accelerate from a stationary position to Mach speeds without producing a sonic boom. Logic says that they should still produce a sonic boom no matter what the UFO's method of propulsion is, ie. - antigravity. The fact is that a sonic boom is formed by the compression of air. UFO's are not exempt from this phenomenon as they hold physical properties that are identical to our aircraft. Any ideas?

Several mistakes in the above. Most importantly, as is almost the universally used term "anti-gravity" to explain the abilities of UFOs devices. That is obviously incorrect when you stop to think about what we see of their operations. They stop, start, hover and make right-angle turns virtually instantly. That is not a display of anti-gravity, but a mass-canceling field. Mere anti-gravity, as such, would not prevent the occupants from being oozing masses smeared upon the far bulkheads during such high-speed maneuvers.

Why no sound? The field producing the mass-less state also effects the nearby atmosphere. The air molecules all around the ship become massless because they are within the primary field. As such, the air moves quickly out of the way of the advancing craft, flows around it and just as quickly moves into the area through which the craft has traversed Basically, there is no compression of air molecues which is fine and dandy for UFOss because they don't need air for lift anyway. Thus, no sonic boom.

Plus, anti-gravity, as we normally envision the term, would not be useful for interplanetary flight where gravity is not a problem but mass still would be.

Finally, a nulll-mass vehicle escapes Einstein's law about SOL as being the untimate speed of any object. Having eliminated the vehicle's mass, there is no such restriction. Plus, the field around the craft would protect it from collisions with particules during its extremely high-velocity travels through deep space. It's as simple as that.

Simple, differently operating technology. Either that and/or they manipulate the physics of this dimension/reality.

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Lot to read I will look it over tomorrow,,,

As to plasma tech... Tesla was working on that over 100 years ago

Heck any kid can create a plasma sphere

Got an old microwave? Take a grape... and create your own plasma sphere...



You will notice the hourglass shape of the grape cutting

Microwave Grape Plasma
www.thelivingmoon.com...

I always know I am on to something when a certain name comes up in something I am researching. This man is like the smoking man that pesters Mulder all the time on X-Files... His name is Dr Hal Puthoff


The Polarized Vacuum "Onion Drive" system for UFO

The information offered on this webpage is a very brief look at a UFO drive system that will help to explain the "hyper drive UFO" phenomenon, whereby UFO craft are observed to project a beam of energy ahead of them and appear to ride into that beam - and thus are pulled rather than propelled by the UFOs generated forces. Certainly this is how it appears in the video footage of the "hyper-drive" UFOs observed and filmed over Mexico in the 1990's (and subsequently shown on British TV), and in the observation of this pulling force by Clark McClelland (Former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, KSC, Florida - USA) in his "hyper drive" UFO sighting. The brief details below are based on technical information research-developed recently regarding a The Double-Helix "Onion Drive" System and was sourced to me on 18 May 2003 by Jeff Savage an engineer/researcher and his associate Richard Robson a physics consultant. Some of the technical conclusions for this project (alluded to briefly below) could not have been made without the additional input from physicist Warren York I might add, and an additional mention is in order for Clark McClelland in subsequently attracting Dr. Hal Puthoffs attention (at the Institute For Advanced Studies - Austin, Texas) to the details of this unique energy generation system.

www.stargate-chronicles.com...

Strictly speaking this projected beam UFO drive system is not an "anti-gravity" one, and is a system that works on creating a gravity-wave displacement, but the fact that it has the ability to project the barrel of that displacement to any distance ahead of it means that it has the ability to adjust it’s degree of acceleration, and that it can adjust the bore of that barrel means it can greatly adjust it’s velocity (and it’s potential to do such things as manipulate gravity-space-time).

If you consider a Schauberger Repulsine ‘craft’ doing what it does by mechanical means – the Onion Drive UFO in its beam-drive mode does the same by electrical means but has the power to project its gravity-manipulating force much further. This Onion Drive system is also similar in some ways to a Searl Effect IGV (Inverted-Gravity Vehicle) but then again is much more controllable and infinitely more powerful.

Paul E Potter (13 Jan 2004)