McCain camp trying to scapegoat Palin or Jump the Ship

i think people should realize, that picking a penecostal protestant christian woman to run for such a high political office in a country that has never had a woman VP or president and has been historically tied at the hip to the vatican, is fraught with difficulty, because:

1) penecostal christianity is not as widely known or accepted as say methodist or catholicism. so this does not automatically endear her to all christians, everywhere. in fact, in some cases, just the opposite.

2) this country has a smattering of people and special interest groups from all over the world, who may or may not share our enthusiasm for women candidates of ANY PARTY, much less of a specific religious background.

3) there's at least 4 major ideaological beliefs in the USA, which do not promote women as anything above the level of breeder, babysitter, house cleaner or sex object, these include the older patriarchal religions, some strains of paganism and the fraternal orders. there's a bit of wiggle room in there but not much.

4) some of the big special interests are exceedingly anti-woman, and when i say exceedingly, i mean their laws are so anti-woman that they might as well read---- i hate women. so even if a female candidate did meet the requirements, she would be rejected by the big interests and that would result in what you've witnessed over the course of this election cycle.

so regardless of the reasoning the mccain camp is giving for their dismay, fact is, that woman never stood a chance. and neither will a democrat. ever. as long as this country still stands, there will never be a woman president (and from the looks of it, never a female VP either). it's more than just political, it has religious foundations that go very deep. if we do get a woman, i will be completely surprised.

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
I thought you were a Republican and I was just curious as to why the party isnt ticked off at their own. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

No biggie.

I have voted democrat. I have voted republican. I've voted libertarian.

I am voting Constitution party this time. I am also going to try to join the Constitution party when this election is over. I'm not sure how to go about that ... but that's the intention.

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
on Palins future, I think her 15 minutes are just about up if the election goes to Obama.

IMHO -

Obama will win. (the Bildebergers want it and you can't fight them).

Palin is young and a govenor of the largest state. She's also evangelical. The fundamentalists like her. Even though - as a previous poster pointed out - many of them do not approve of women in higher roles.

I see Gov. Palin, Gov. Crist, and Gov 'Bobby' Jindal as being the ones who will be most visible in 2012 for the election. Oh .. and that former Gov. of Massachussets - the Mormon - will make a showing for a while. What is his name??

Trivia - 'Bobby' Jindal got the nickname 'Bobby' because he watched the Brady Bunch all the time and loved the character of Bobby.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Largest state, one of the smallest populations. Who works harder, the Mayor of NYC with millions of people, or the Gov. of a state where some of the people(Inuits) don't listen to them and even if they did there is less people than in NYC. My feeling is the GOP may try and counter Obama in 2012 with Rice. But if things go well in the next 4 years the GOP stands no chance. If Clinton hadn't cheated on Hillary Gore would have won by a landslide. But people ignored a balanced budget, booming economy, because he got head from an intern and said we want change and went to the GOP. Now all they have is change in their pockets after Bush took their money and gave it to his friends.

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my husband was career military. he was in for over 20 years. at the 16 year mark, or thereabouts, he was still making poverty level wages because of all the military cuts. when the white house says, cut the military budget, the only people who get cuts in their income are the soldiers at the street level. the same amount of bombs are still created, the war machine never skips a beat, but the little people (who still have to go to war, and still have to get the experimental vaccines), end up living like they were collecting less money than a person on welfare and food stamps (and this is no joke).

when bush got in, he gave the soldiers all substantial raises in their paychecks. for the first time in hubby's career, we were actually starting to raise our heads above poverty level. but 23 years and 2 wars later, hubby couldn't stand it anymore and retired. believe me when i say, he earned those raises. there are people out there that get paid a whole lot more than he did, for alot less work and alot less pain and suffering (not to mention potential danger to entire family from unsafe vaccinations).

that's the big thing i don't like about the democrats. when they yell for cuts in military spending, they know the only place it will come out is the little guys at the bottom. they don't care. so what it does is drive hundreds of thousands of military families into poverty level conditions and yet they are expected to do some of the most dangerous things known to man.

that part, will always bother me about democrats. they know. they just don't care.

Originally posted by GamerGal
Largest state, one of the smallest populations. Who works harder, the Mayor of NYC with millions of people, or the Gov. of a state where some of the people(Inuits) don't listen to them and even if they did there is less people than in NYC.

a friend of mine is an elected official in New York. He's at the county level. he has more constituents than palin does in her state. This friend of mine pointed this out during the primaries. He thought it was funny that some of the folks running thought they could handle a nation when they were dealing with less than half of the people he dealt with.

Originally posted by GamerGal
My feeling is the GOP may try and counter Obama in 2012 with Rice.

She has already said she wants no more part in politics. She has also diss'd Palin and praised Obama - while saying at the same time that she would keep her vote private.

She cant' run for the GOP. She isn't one of them anymore.
She's Bush-Baggage too. She's done.

Originally posted by GamerGal
Largest state, one of the smallest populations.

Sure. But the point is that she is a govenor - executive experience - and the GOP will definately say - 'the largest state in the United States'.

I think they'll keep her around.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Executive Experience. Sadly Landlord's in Chicago have more Executive Experience as they deal with more people.

Just an FYI, Yahoo Politico is not a News outlet, it's an opinion page or a blog. This is just one person's opinion of what's going on. One that I don't agree with.

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And you still use that pure racist signature. Says a lot about you. And a lot that even Flyers admits its getting bad and you can't. McCain/Palin are at war with each other. Who will win? Neither. They will just destroy each other.

Maybe it was all a conspiracy for the one world government and we are just going through the motions,otherwise how could this Obama who has credentials which at best are suspect,and another thing Obama is talking like he has already won,I see his new speeches now say everyone under 200K,what happened to the other 50k?,if he wins I'm afraid we will see the fall of our country,and the best that can come out of it is civil war,and racial war like you have never seen,talk about a person who will divide a country,some of you young people may be mortgaging your future,guess I beeter divide up my wealth before Obamas army comes to take my things I worked all my life for so some dirt bag no account can own it

I personally don't like Palin. I like Obama, obviously, and Biden is okay also. McCain seems like a good guy, and I definitely would have voted for the McCain from a few years back.

But I don't like Palin. I don't like her at all. She seems to have that same simple attitude towards everything that got us in the situations we are in today.

I'm sure some feel about Obama the way I feel about Palin, but I also assure you it is not a partisan thing. There are plenty of republicans I don't mind, but she isn't one of them.

I feel the about her the same way I feel about Giuliani.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Sure. But the point is that she is a govenor - executive experience - and the GOP will definately say - 'the largest state in the United States'.

I think they'll keep her around.

No where in the Constitution does it say that a person must have governed over X number of people prior to becoming president or VP. The Dems have used that type of argument regarding the technical qualifications for president on more than one occasion, most notably in dismissing the importance of McCain's military service record.

And yes, the GOP will keep Palin around. She's drawing 20,000+ at almost every campaign stop, far more than any other GOP candidate in this cycle. She's clearly resonating with the base, and while she'd need to boost her image with independents, four years is a very long time in politics. It can be done and if the Dems stumble and public opinion of liberal leadership goes south, that'll certainly help her, too.



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I can't vote for either one of these guys.
And with this tape and all this information that has come out on both of these guys....i can't understand anymore why anyone would want either of them. I was going to vote for McCain before....but that's not going to happen anymore. Something is happening here.....some people may not see it. I REFUSE to take part in either one of these man's campaigns at this point. I will look at the third parties....if any of them look good and aren't corrupt...which bascialy in these times IS IMPOSSIBLE...i'll vote for them. If not....i won't vote at all.

I can't vote for the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil. We shouldn't let either one of these men lead our country...i honestly feel that or whole world is changing...and will change....it doens't matter who wins the election...America is in trouble....

Originally posted by undo
that part, will always bother me about democrats. they know. they just don't care.

Seems everyone save one blames them for bigger government and spending money.