Lloyde England and His Taxi Cab - The Eye Of The Storm

Originally posted by tezzajw

We'll be waiting for your thorough investigation, ThroatYogurt.

Why?

You're the ones running away scared when we ask you repeatedly to give us YOUR eyewitnesses to a flyover?

Why are you still so scared to give us the evidence you should WANT us to have, tezzajw?

Now, here is just the kind of thing everyone around the Pentagon would see and hear as your jet approached and flew over the Pentagon - low and loud, busting their eardrums:



Instead, what do we get as evidence from you? A blank video, NO eyewitnesses to a jet flying toward, over, and away from the Pentagon, 13 CIT eyewitnesses who said they believe AA77 hit the Pentagon, and a little yellow line of a flight path ending just where AA77 actually hit the Pentagon.

Give us the evidence, tezzajw, or admit right here that you can't.

Originally posted by tezzajw

What? You mean that you're not going to leave your 1/4 acre of paradise and actually go visit these people face-to-face, like Craig did?

I leave my 1/4 acre of paradise every day to work. Please let me know if you are interested in some spectacular pictures of the sunsets here.

At least you're a good sport by acknowleding that Craig HAS DONE the work to contact Lloyde, saving you the time, effort and money to find his details for yourself.

As misguided as I think CIT is, I do give Craig credit for the time and efforts he has put in.

While you're at it, why don't you ask Lloyde's extended family what they all think? You might as well throw in his wife's family and his ex-wife's family. That's a lot of people for you to start interviewing, ThroatYogurt. Let's see what you can come up with. Maybe Lloyde or his wife let it slip that there was foul play involved?

As I said, I would be more than happy to contact Lloydes family members. Face to face? no. I know what the truth is. I would not waste my own money doing redundant research.

We'll be waiting for your thorough investigation, ThroatYogurt.

O- tay!

Originally posted by jthomas
You're the ones running away scared when we ask you repeatedly to give us YOUR eyewitnesses to a flyover?

Wrong thread, jthomas. This is Lloyde's taxi thread.

Why are you still so scared to give us the evidence you should WANT us to have, tezzajw?

Huh? What makes you think that I am scared of you jthomas?

What evidence do I need to provide with regards to the lightpole allegedly hitting Lloyde's taxi? I don't.

People making the claim that the lightpole hit the taxi are the ones who need to supply the proof that it did. I've seen none so far.

Now, here is just the kind of thing everyone around the Pentagon would see and hear as your jet approached and flew over the Pentagon - low and loud, busting their eardrums:

Prove that alleged jet knocked a lightpole down that hit Lloyde's taxi.

Instead, what do we get as evidence from you? A blank video, NO eyewitnesses to a jet flying toward, over, and away from the Pentagon, 13 CIT eyewitnesses who said they believe AA77 hit the Pentagon, and a little yellow line of a flight path ending just where AA77 actually hit the Pentagon.

Wrong thread, jthomas. This is Lloyde's taxi thread. Do try and keep up.

Give us the evidence, tezzajw, or admit right here that you can't.

Craig presented Lloyde's interview. The evidence showed that Lloyde is contradicting his position from the images.

Now, jthomas, where is your proof that the lightpole hit the taxi as claimed?

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
As I said, I would be more than happy to contact Lloydes family members. Face to face? no. I know what the truth is. I would not waste my own money doing redundant research.

To think that you were almost going to do a real investigation, ThroatYogurt...

Damn, sometimes I feel there's a truther in you wanting to bust out and ask questions...

You know that it's ok to ask questions, don't you? I ask lots of questions and often only get waving hands for answers.

Someone please show me how that lightpole can puncture the windscreen, as alleged, then remain securely in place, while the car is rapidly deacclerated from 60km/h to 0km/h, so that not a single scratch is left on the bonnet, or the windscreen framework...

Use as much maths as you like. I should be able to understand it and explain it to ThroatYogurt, if he's not sure.

I can't see how an unsecured fulcrum (the dash) would be able to resist the net force acting on that pole, while the taxi skidded to a stop at an angle.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by tezzajw]

A remark from ty, as surely worthy of being judged the best "quote of the year".

"As I said, I would be more than happy to contact Lloydes family members. Face to face? no. I know what the truth is. I would not waste my own money doing redundant research."


Yes, very much what the very important high prelates from the inquisition said, when they
refused to look into Galileo's telescope pointing toward Jupiter and the moons!

Brilliant, throatyogurt. You're a true champ!

[edit on 11-11-2008 by djeminy]

reply to post by SPreston


"Rephrase that. We know she was telling the truth.

Craig, did Shirley act like she believed what she was relating to you in the background? Craig did Shirley or Lloyde show you the house where she was living on 9-11?"


Alright... alright...alright! Have it your way then! ('')

cheers



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Originally posted by jthomas
[Yet another one of your evasions is duly noted, tezzajw. You stated in this very thread, "We'll be waiting for your thorough investigation, ThroatYogurt."

Yes, I did. ThroatYogurt stated that he was going to contact Lloyde's family members. We'll be waiting his thorough investigation regarding Lloyde's family members and their opinion of the whole light pole story.

No one said you do. What are you smoking tonight?

Personal insult noted. Why would you assume that I am smoking anything?

Do you even remember WHY you are claiming the lightpole didn't hit the taxicab?

I never claimed that it didn't, jthomas. I asked for evidence to prove that it did. As yet, I have not seen that evidence. All I have seen is Lloyde's dubious account.

Shall I remind you, tezzajw? Can you keep a secret? Hint: because you claim that the jet flew over the Pentagon.

Wow, can you please show me where I EVER stated that? You made the claim so go and search ALL of my posts and find where I stated that. It's a big task, I've only got a few thousand posts to search. You better start now, jthomas.

And where is the evidence and eyewitnesses that ANYONE saw and heard a jet fly over and away from the Pentagon, tezzajw?

More off-topic ramblings from you, jthomas?

Just look and remind yourself what you are desperately evading telling 9/11 Truthers here: a low-flying, fast moving 757 is visible and LOUD:

More off-topic ramblings from you, jthomas?

[edit on 11-11-2008 by tezzajw]

Originally posted by tezzajw

Shall I remind you, tezzajw? Can you keep a secret? Hint: because you claim that the jet flew over the Pentagon.

Wow, can you please show me where I EVER stated that? You made the claim so go and search ALL of my posts and find where I stated that. It's a big task, I've only got a few thousand posts to search. You better start now, jthomas.

So, you've changed your mind, tezzajw? Do you now agree that NO ONE has yet provided any eyewitnesses or media reports claiming to see AA77 or a "decoy" flying in its place as claimed by CIT and P4T flying towards, over, and away from the Pentagon?

Please step up to the plate and give us all a direct answer to that question, tezzajw.

Originally posted by jthomas
So, you've changed your mind, tezzajw?

Wow, when did I ever have a fixed opinion, jthomas?

Do you now agree that NO ONE has yet provided any eyewitnesses or media reports claiming to see AA77 or a "decoy" flying in its place as claimed by CIT and P4T flying towards, over, and away from the Pentagon?

More off-topic ramblings, jthomas?

Please, jthomas - describe why Lloyde's interview, which is the topic of this thread, shows how disoriented he is about where he was that morning?

Please explain why pictures taken, within around three minutes of the alleged light pole striking the window, do not show the light pole in the windscreen.

Please supply the real names of all of the verifiable, living people who claimed they saw the light pole positioned inside Lloyde's taxi.

I'll be interested to read your on-topic reply.

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by tezzajw

Shall I remind you, tezzajw? Can you keep a secret? Hint: because you claim that the jet flew over the Pentagon.

Wow, can you please show me where I EVER stated that? You made the claim so go and search ALL of my posts and find where I stated that. It's a big task, I've only got a few thousand posts to search. You better start now, jthomas.

So, you've changed your mind, tezzajw? Do you now agree that NO ONE has yet provided any eyewitnesses or media reports claiming to see AA77 or a "decoy" flying in its place as claimed by CIT and P4T flying towards, over, and away from the Pentagon?

Please step up to the plate and give us all a direct answer to that question, tezzajw.

jthomas, question for you: what evidence are you claiming proves the lightpole hit the taxi that was the result of aa77's having struck it?


also, can you please show me where tezzajw said a jet flew over the pentagon?

and while you're at it, i'm curious what evidence you have and support for the explanation you've given for how a boeing 757 can (within simple physics and known data on what happens when a 757 crashes anywhere into anything) fits in the hole made at the pentagon.

oooops, i guess thats off-topic so i shouldn't expect a response.

but in case you do answer, i'd also love to know your theory how CeeCee Lyles belongings/ID etc were all found and collected in a tidy plastic bag when ua93 disintegrated in shanksville.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by jthomas
So, you've changed your mind, tezzajw?

Wow, when did I ever have a fixed opinion, jthomas?

You mean you're going to make claims than pretend you have no opinion about them? Do you know how O:LD and STALE that 9/11 Truther evasion is?

Do you now agree that NO ONE has yet provided any eyewitnesses or media reports claiming to see AA77 or a "decoy" flying in its place as claimed by CIT and P4T flying towards, over, and away from the Pentagon?

More off-topic ramblings, jthomas?

You know it's on-topic but, apparently, you're scared of supporting your claims. Do you know that is the prime reason 9/11 Truthers go around saying, "We're just asking questions!!"? Do you know why you are doing EXACTLY what the fraud and charlatan, David Ray Griffin, goes around doing, claiming that 9/11 was "an inside job" but evades every question and situation in which he is challenged on ANY of his claims?

Please, jthomas - describe why Lloyde's interview, which is the topic of this thread, shows how disoriented he is about where he was that morning?

DRG evasion noted. Rather than be intellectually honest and actually refute my previous post, you weaseled out of it, and having to support your claims.

So, back to the topic and my previous post. Just WHY does the lampost have any significance to you whatsoever, when we already know you believe the jet flew towards, over, and away from the Pentagon, tezzajw?

Be a man. Answer the question. No more evasions, ok?

Originally posted by jthomas
[You mean you're going to make claims than pretend you have no opinion about them? Do you know how O:LD and STALE that 9/11 Truther evasion is?

You made a claim that I stated that a plane flew over the Pentagon. Please support your claim, jthomas. You only have to search my 2200+ posts to find it. Go on, start searching.

You really don't want to ruin your credibility here by accusing me of stating something that I did not, right?

You know it's on-topic but, apparently, you're scared of supporting your claims. Do you know that is the prime reason 9/11 Truthers go around saying, "We're just asking questions!!"? Do you know why you are doing EXACTLY what the fraud and charlatan, David Ray Griffin, goes around doing, claiming that 9/11 was "an inside job" but evades every question and situation in which he is challenged on ANY of his claims?

I haven't claimed anything, jthomas. I've been asking questions about Lloyde and the light pole and the taxi. It could almost be the title of a pre-school book, couldn't it?

DRG evasion noted. Rather than be intellectually honest and actually refute my previous post, you weaseled out of it, and having to support your claims.

Please, remind me what claims I made and where I made them? You're really starting to lose credibility by not being able to prove these accusations against me.

So, back to the topic and my previous post. Just WHY does the lampost have any significance to you whatsoever, when we already know you believe the jet flew towards, over, and away from the Pentagon, tezzajw?

I'm interested to know the physics of how a light pole can be knocked from the ground by a plane moving around 800+km/h, cause one puncture wound to the windscreen, hang outside over the bonnet, leave no phsyical trace on the bonnet or windscreen frame and then be removed by two men...

Have you got any answers for me?

Be a man. Answer the question. No more evasions, ok?

Wow, you really need to look in the mirror.

Originally posted by jthomas
I gave you the opportunity to state your position. You refused. See your posts above.

Without any evidence, you accused me of making an off-topic statement that a plane flew over the Pentagon. It's very clear for all to read, jthomas. You have made accusations against me and my character at ATS, all without proof or evidence. I'm fairly certain that the Moderators will be watching this thread and they'll clearly be able to read your accusations against me. All unsupported and most likely bordering upon a breach of the terms and conditions for this forum.

How would it be possible for you to know the complicated physics involved?

That's not important to you. You don't know who I am or what I know. Ask ThroatYogurt how I corrected his math. Ask Pilgrum how I have twice corrected his math.

and did in fact hit the light poles as demonstrated,

Therefore, you can explain how the light pole was removed from Lloyde's taxi in around three minutes with no external damage to the taxi? You haven't demonstrated anything. You wave your hands and that's it.

Please list all of the witnesses with their real, verifiable names who saw this happen?

All that I have seen is Lloyde and Lloyde alone, who has claimed that the light pole hit his taxi. He is the sole witness to this claim, is he not? Please, if there are more, then show me! It's what I have been asking for!

and did in fact hit the Pentagon. No rational person would entertain such notions of trying to "explain" the physics involved of what happened to an individual lightpole when it has absolutely no pertinence to anything at all. Why do you?

In fact rational people do try and model things all of the time. Sometimes without success. Look at NIST. They tried to model the collapse of the WTC complex.

I'm interested in seeing some calculations from someone who believes that the light pole was knocked by a plane with a velocity of around 800km/h. The alleged collision would probably impart a rather large velocity on the light pole too, which combined with the velocity of the taxi would make for an interesting result.

If you want to refute all of that evidence, be my guest. But no one has, including CIT and P4T, as they well know.

You haven't provided proof that the light pole hit the taxi. All you have is Lloyde's word that it happened, unless you want to supply more?

Remind me again, what evidence have you provided?

And if you don't believe the evidence then you will be so kind to provide the evidence that any jet flew over the Pentagon.

What evidence is there that a light pole hit the taxi? Please show why and how it happened.

The burden of proof remains on those who don't want to accept the evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

For some reason you still don't understand that this thread is about "Lloyde, the light pole and the taxi". It's got nothing to do with planes flying over the Pentagon.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by tezzajw]

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by jthomas
I gave you the opportunity to state your position. You refused. See your posts above.

Without any evidence, you accused me of making an off-topic statement that a plane flew over the Pentagon.

Sorry, I gave you the opportunity to state your position. You refused. Your evasions don't help your case. Let's repeat my question:

Do you now agree that NO ONE has yet provided any eyewitnesses or media reports claiming to see AA77 or a "decoy" flying in its place as claimed by CIT and P4T flying towards, over, and away from the Pentagon?

Please step up to the plate and give us all a direct answer to that question, tezzajw.

Your repsonse?

More off-topic ramblings, jthomas?

Sorry, tezzajw, your history of evasions are here for all to see.

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by matrix911

and while you're at it, i'm curious what evidence you have and support for the explanation you've given for how a boeing 757 can (within simple physics and known data on what happens when a 757 crashes anywhere into anything) fits in the hole made at the pentagon.

Don't be so upset. EVERYONE here is claiming that AA77 could not have hit the Pentagon. I already know that.

I am just asking questions about their claims that AA77, instead, flew over and away from the Pentagon. BIG and LOUD 757s just don't disappear on command, do they?

Would you please be so kind to provide the eyewitnesses and media reports reporting a jet, AA77 or the claimed "decoy" jet that supposedly flew the NoC flightpath, flew toward, over, and away from the Pentagon?

Is there a claim here by tezzajw and other cit members saying there are?

second, I'll ignore that you didn't answer my other 2 or 3 very simple questions... for now.

again, As for aa77 flyer over the pentagon claim... are tezzajw and other saying that? I think most are saying something flew over or may have, but not aa77... is that correct or the issue IYO?

Originally posted by jthomas
Sorry, I gave you the opportunity to state your position. You refused. Your evasions don't help your case. Let's repeat my question:

Let's take another look at what you stated about me. The original post is on this very page:

Originally posted by jthomas
Shall I remind you, tezzajw? Can you keep a secret? Hint: because you claim that the jet flew over the Pentagon.

This is an off-topic accusation, against me, that you have not supported. You have NOT provided a single quote for where I allegedly stated this. This is the third time that I am inviting you to search my 2200+ posts to prove your claim against me.

Please refrain from making false accusations about what I have claimed.

In this thread, I have been discussing "Lloyde the light pole and the taxi" as warranted by the thread's title.

Sorry, tezzajw, your history of evasions are here for all to see.

How have I evaded answering questions about Lloyde, his taxi and the light pole? Please show me where this has happened.

Thank you for trying to keep on topic, tezza, despite the attempts at steering the topic by Jthomas. It has become quite clear that the official story believers can not logically explain how the light pole would have done the physical damage seen on the taxi so they have resorted to disinformation tactics as usual.
It is clear from CIT's latest interview with Lloyd that he and his wife are hiding something and know more about what really happened then they are letting on.
They can't explain why Lloyd's wife agreed that the plane flew over and the highly suspicious things LLoyd had said about the event, nor can they explain the physical damage to the cab and why Lloyd tried to change where he was parked.