911 Truth Will Never Fade, Only Grow!

Why the media ignored 9/11

The New Media sets a new tone
What was put on display on 9/11 was intended to bring about a traumatic experience. Any other terrorist would have gone about his work much more efficiently - he wouldn't have flown over a nuclear reactor, but instead right on top of it. He wouldn't have veered his airplane away from the section of the Pentagon where the leadership was situated and then go around and crash into a part that was unoccupied due to recent renovations. It wouldn't have taken much of a terrorist to take the laws of nature into account and topple the three WTC towers onto the surrounding area in highly concentrated Manhattan for greater effect, instead of arranging a complicated controlled demolition of the buildings directly into their own footprint. Instead of attacking a city's subway system with a 'dirty bomb' for example, the terrorists gave the biggest kid on the block a mere slap in the face - neither astute nor logical. Unless of course the attacks were made for TV and designed only to achieve maximum effect. This effect has also had its influence on the media. So while we have 'appointed' the media to go out and uncover the truth that is kept hidden by influential interests, this same media has positioned itself squarely behind those interests and has thereby neglected its duty, and worse yet, it has done damage to the truth. With the possibilities that the internet offers to a curious public, that public has gone past the Old Media. It will take some time for the street cleaner to cross over the center line. It will do that on it's own, don't sit around waiting for it. In the meantime stay curious, and stay informed.

www.deepjournal.com...

This is a good read of why the media refuses to report the truth
This is one of the reasons I don’t trust the news these days.


[edit on 11/3/2008 by cashlink]

Just a quick note my good friends...

This is a great topic, it is also very controversial.

I would offer up some advice.

1. No one here has convinced me, so you have probably not convinced everyone else. Stop assuming that your position is the only right one, and spend more time proving yours. You will be far more productive.

2. Stop posting "Snide" remarks about other posters; even at the ends of a quality post. You just take all creditability out of your own post and make yourself look silly.

3. Concentrate on the topic and not your opponent. Your posting privileges depend on that.

Now on with the fun...

Semper

Zogby Poll: 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment
"67% fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7"
Kansas City, MO (Zogby International) September 6, 2007 - As America nears the sixth anniversary of the world-churning events of September 11, 2001, a new Zogby International poll finds a majority of Americans still await a Congressional investigation of President Bush' and Vice President Cheney's actions before, during and after the 9/11 attacks. Over 30% also believe Bush and/or Cheney should be immediately impeached by the House of Representatives.

www.ny911truth.org...

I had stumble on this site and wanted to share this information with everyone.
One reason I had to post this was to show that half of American are not buying in to the Government 911 lies.

The hunt for the 911 truth will never die.

Response to NIST on Energy and Momentum
Dr. Crockett Grabbe
University of Iowa & SeaLane Consulting
www.SeaLane.org
www.physics.uiowa.edu/~cgrabbe
ABSTRACT

NIST, in their latest Answers to FAQs, artfully dodges the important issues on the
physics of conservation of energy and momentum in the collapse of the World Trade
Center Towers and Building 7. These issues and their unmistakable implications are
addressed.
NIST's Recent Answer to an Avoidance Question
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) released a new
supplement with Answers to Frequently-Asked Questions on December 14. One of
those questions dealt for the first time with the issue of energy and momentum
conservation, an issue I have addressed in recent articles and a news
interview.[1,2,3,4,5] However, here is the question as they formulated it and the
answer they provided to it.

The question was formulated in such a way to totally avoid the issues that have been
repeatedly raised on the conservation principles.[1,2,3,4,5,6,7] There was never any
issue of the energy and momentum the plane impacts had on the towers! Their
answer to this avoidance-question in fact points to one of the major problems they
ignore.

They stated correctly how the energy and momentum transferred to the towers
from the planes was soon dissipated. So the natural followup question is: where did
the energy and momentum come from that drove sudden squibs [which I define
here as the rapid horizontal movement of material away from the towers] and
destruction that started the collapse of the towers? NIST's question and answer
show they clearly could not come from the planes, and several analyses of the issues
show they could not have been produced by the fires the planes
caused.[1,2,6,7,8,9,10] NIST published 43 volumes of material that presumes and
concludes the planes and their fires started the collapses, but none of these volumes
discusses or even mentions the conservation of momentum or the conservation of
energy in the collapses.

In the case of the North Tower the collapse started and occurred rapidly and
suddenly in the top segment about 1.5 hours after the plane collision. What provided
the sudden source of energy that caused it? Clearly it was not the planes or fires.
Gravitation could not have provided anywhere near the energy expended in the
collapse, as calculations by Hoffman [11] on the energy used show. The amount
expended was much greater than what was available gravitationally, and there is
overwhelming evidence explosions supplied part of this energy, as squibs kept
bursting through the 4 walls 10 floors ahead of the collapse as the towers fell.[1]
Huge, up to 4000 square feet, pieces of the wall of several floors blew away from the
building. These clearly could not have been produced by the plane collision, since
the plane collision had a much smaller impact area, and since it went inward into
the building while such pieces of the wall blasted outward.

www.journalof911studies.com...

When reading this it makes one ill to see how NIST went about deceiving the American people. NIST tried everyway to explain how the WTC went down, and refused to look into demolition.

NIST spoke person said the reason we did not look into explosion bring the WTC down was there were NO WITTINESS!

Talk about an outright lie, it made me sick. One has to think how much money did the Government have to pay this man, to ruin his own reputation and throw his career down the toilet.

Collapse of the North Tower of the World Trade Center
Crockett Grabbe © January 18, 2008
University of Iowa & SeaLane Consulting
www.SeaLane.org
www.physics.uiowa.edu/~cgrabbe

Sequential photos of the first part of the collapse of the North Tower of the World Trade Center are examined for the causes and development. It initiates with a large explosion at the core of the tower at around the 94th floor, and is sequentially fed with at least 3 subsequent explosions a few floors below the progressing collapse which drive squibs [rapidly moving material] coming out of at least 2 faces of the tower. One of the squibs is seen to be composed primarily of a 30-foot or longer beam with tail material which breaks off at the wall and tumbles down. Also observed is a over 50-feet wide 6-story piece of the tower wall which was blown out away from the tower, as well as hundreds of pieces flying through the air, probably most of which came from the cladding on the tower's wall.

www.sealane.org...

This is some of the best photos that support explosions!
This is what sold me.

Originally posted by cashlink
NIST spoke person said the reason we did not look into explosion bring the WTC down was there were NO WITTINESS!

Wow!
What kind of drugs do they hand out at N.I.S.T.???
(National Institute of Supposed Truth)
No witnesses eh?
Tell that to William Rodriguez. Oh yeah that's right they removed his testimony from the 9-11 commission fairytale. (woops I mean report)

Heck I can do better than JUST witnesses.
Any cop will tell you that multiple people interviewed after an accident will often give conflicting stories.
However the last time I checked Video evidence is nearly irrefutable.

The first two videos have been posted before but just to PROVE that NIST is so "full of it" that their breath stinks and their eyes are turning brown...
Police "officials," firefighters, and F.B.I. agents aren't witnesses these days?

Listen closely at 2:30 and you can hear an explosion for yourself.

Google Video Link

I guess that noise at 2:30 was a kid playing with a firecracker right NIST?

Just in case you missed that...
Turn up your speakers and listen closely, would you not call these explosions?

More explosions...



No witnesses my ***... Tell that to all the people in those videos.
I guess they don't have internet access at NIST, you would think that with all that money they had thrown at them they could at least afford dial up.

If NIST piles the crap any deeper they will need these.


Remember NIST...
Knowledge of treason unreported is in itself an act of treason!
See you at the gallows...


[edit on 4-11-2008 by ashamedamerican]

I'm probably a little late to this thread but thanks for making it, excellent thread and very true.
sorry for the one-liner

reply to post by Shocka


You're never too late to a thread! We're only warming up!
We have plenty of beer left so feel free to pull up a chair and join.

When the REAL truth of 9-11 is common knowledge among all americans, THAT would be too late. Until then there is always room for more.

Originally posted by cashlink
911 Truth Will Never Fade Only Growing!

The Government would like all of us to stop talking about 911! However, they do not have that control. Sure, they use the media (TV, radio, and newspapers) to spin their official conspiracy theories (that is a proven fact!). It really dose not surprises me any more to see mainstream media being contradicted by information on the internet. When the Government finally passes laws to control the flow of information on the internet, we will live in a world of nothing but lies, a delusional fantasy created by our Government.

I submit that most of what we are seeing now on the idiot box is delusional fantasy. Let's speculate on what's going on. Suppose the government *does not care* what the people know. Suppose the only thing they do care about is maintaining control in the short term. Let's go further. A lot further.

Suppose for a minute that our economy was sustainable only by maintaining growth. Suppose further that decreasing resources and increasing environmental laws made it unsustainable long term. Since this was the biggest economy in the world, the powers-that-be set out to link the global economy to our national economy. Foreign powers took the handouts and favors and willingly became puppets. They didn't realise that they were being played for fools because the US goal was to maintain and enhance control when the economic system went south.

Further suppose that 9/11 was a misdirection to maintain the attention of the people while the economy was collapsed. Under the banner of fighting terror, the US has drafted draconian laws, broken every law on the books, intentionally broke the economy while at the same time serving up large portions of cash and favors to the financial elite. The money that was spread around was quickly converted to gold and other hard assets because the dollar does not have long to live.

As this plan unfolds, martial law will become necessary to control those that refuse to ignore the signs of seriously illegal activities. For our purposes, suppose that martial law has already been declared but the powers-that-be are keeping it quiet. Their purpose is to keep the politicians (and people) quiet and compliant while the elite get ready for the final destruction of the US. Part of this destruction will incorporate serious "terror" attacks and most likely multiple depopulation events.

Suppose further that the powers-that-be understand that they will always need a worker class. To that end, they are allowing enough leaks to warn the diligant and attentive that trouble is on the horizon. The goal being, these people will be prepared for crisis and a percentage of them will survive. In that spirit, they allowed Representative Burgess to get away with his revealing micro-speech:

www.youtube.com...

The idea is that "worthless eaters" who have be hypnotised to believe "everything is ok" will be uniformly unprepared...... and uniformly wiped out. It's what the elite think of as letting the creme of the working class rise to the top and dumping the dross.

Fact or fiction?

Originally posted by semperfortis
This is a great topic, it is also very controversial.

I would offer up some advice.

1. No one here has convinced me, so you have probably not convinced everyone else. Stop assuming that your position is the only right one, and spend more time proving yours. You will be far more productive.

You have a seriously tough job trying to moderate a passion-fueled, explosive subject. I have enormous respect for that.

Having said that, and with all due respect, why would I care if you believe the government was involved in 9/11? My understanding of government involvement came about thru uncounted hours of research, trying to get a baseline understanding of the events that culminated in that attack.

Your expression that you-are-not-convinced is not my failure -- or my concern. Could it be proof of your own failure to research the events and players surrounding 9/11?

If you have some time, I recommend you study the material available at www.ae911truth.org... . Also, look on the left hand side of the page for an excellent vid:


9/11: Blueprint for Truth — The Architecture of Destruction
with Richard Gage, AIA


You can watch the two hour presentation for free. Excellent material.

All the best......

reply to post by anonymousATS


You missed the point entirely..

The comment I made was subjective.

There is an argument for both sides and to close your mind to only one possible answer, is arrogant and unproductive. (See the previous posts and other threads)

This causes a "back and forth" highschool banter of "He said/She said" and "Prove it" outbursts that are not only counter-productive, but the very essence of ignorance.

The simple reading of the many threads in this forum, and how they have all devolved is proof of my contention. And the only real "Proof" that is 100% so far.

"A closed mind, is an empty mind"

Now please carry on.

Semper

reply to post by semperfortis


I'v stopped trying (for now) to convince anyone that the government was behind it.
That is the next step. And this must be taken one step at a time.
Right now I'm trying to show people that there are so many holes in the "official story" that the whole thing must be thrown out.

Once pieces of the official story have been proven to be either wrong, or a total lie, than the rest of that story has to be thrown out.

If a witness in a court of law has been proven to have lied just once in their testimony, their ENTIRE testimony must be thrown out.
This should be treated the same way.

The previous pages should show you more than enough evidence to PROVE that they were either WRONG, or LYING.

If they are so incompetant that they got this many things wrong, their whole story is now suspect.
If they lied about even one single fact, their whole story is now suspect.

The burden of proof is no longer on the "911 truthers" there is too much evidence to prove that they (the government) were either WRONG or LYING.

The burden of proof is now back on the government, to explain why their fairytale has more holes in it than a block of swiss cheese.

A brief congatulations to those who have posted ( obviously with considerable time and effort)

IT was a great read!

What I gleaned:

How did an attack foster benefit for the "official culprits"
15 of the 19 were from a country Saudi Aribia that was meeting that day with Bush senior . Own ~8% of USA anyway, partners in business even with that family allowed to be the only exit flight authorised

Do you Americans SERIOUSLY believe for a second, that your defence mechanisms proven to be previously practicing for the liklihood and after Condy Rices warning several days before of "imminent terrorist attack" believe that at the end of it the UTTTER incompetance was just the status quo?

Whatever happened in Shanksville..... the truthers ought be demanding they dig up that disappearing 757 that the earth swallowed!


Wow $2.3 trillion hole in "defence" SS budget announced the day before as inescapable by Rummy but the terrorist amateur pilot managed an A++++++++ manouver to slam into the section only recently renovated enforced that housed the whistle blower investigators! R.I.P.

Why would you invade Iraq? We have the benefit of hindsight....... but to many of us it was apparent on 9/12 /2001.


Has there been a more disgraceful, self interested, destructive administration in US history than Dubya's?



FFS...... wake up..... you don't need to take sides just assess fairly and think about both cases! The more you dig the clearer the picture gets!

I have to say I never thought twice about 911 for several years I did believe the Government version of the 911 story and never gave it any thought. Then one day I was in blockbuster and saw a video call Fahrenheit 911 by Michael Moor.

Sometimes I wish to G-d I had never picked up that video, it change my life, it has never been the same since I watch it. Michael Moor did not prove anything to me; however, he did ask all the right questions in his video. He showed where the Government refused to answer any of the basic questions and he show that there really was not any investigation in to 911.

That is when I dove in my computer and started to do my research and it has not stopped today. The more I dig the dirty it gets and the lies just keep coming, the Government just keeps tripping all over their lies.

This is one of the main reasons why the Bush administration gave orders for everyone to stay silent about 911, because they could not keep their stories straight. Their mistake was to pay NIST, NORAD, and FEMA and 911 Commission to present their lies. However, it did not work because they could not keep their story straight each story contradicts it self.
The Government used the media for their shock and awe on 911 then shortly after 911 the media would not talk about what happened anymore they would only talk about the highjackers and Bin Laden, but nothing else. If anyone else brought up 911 and point out some of the inconsistency in the Government story they were ridiculed.

Just using common sense, anyone can see there was and is a cover-up of what really happened on 911.

On 9-11 I had the hair on the back of neck literally stand up as I watched the buildings collapse.
I knew about the story of a plane crashing into the empire state building.
I knew that steel structures don't just collapse from fires.
And I had seen many videos of buildings being demolished.

Somehow, I guess because I didn't WANT to believe what I had just witnessed, I pushed it into the back of my mind.

Then I realized other people saw what I did, and from there it's been a nasty trip down the rabbit hole for me.

I can understand why most people don't believe 9-11 isn't what they were told it was. I didn't WANT to believe it either.

reply to post by ashamedamerican


Very true, when I read about operation Northwoods I knew our Government was able to carry out 911 with out a hitch. I did not know about Operation Northwood until I started my 911 investigation it is staggering what evil people with power would do to achieve their agenda.

Operation Northwoods
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR
From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

whatreallyhappened.com...


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[edit on 11/14/2008 by Hal9000]

Another video I thought you might enjoy.

It goes a long way towards explaining how the training exercises conducted on that morning could have been a shroud to conduct the very terror attack they were simulating. In my personal opinion it's pretty damning evidence.

Any mathematicians out there that can tell me the statistical odds of us really being attacked on the same day that over 15 exercises were being conducted? (some of those exercises pulling vital military equipment out of the area, others simulating a terrorist attack on the U.S.)

According to Mr. Tarpley there were 15+ exercises conducted that morning, some of them training, some of them live drills.
Vigilant Guardian
Northern Guardian
Vigilant Warrior
Northern Vigilance
Amalgam Warrior
Global Guardian
Crown Vigilance
Apollo Guardian
Tripod II
Timely Alert II
And more...
It's also important to realize that because of all of these "exercises" there were up to 29 radar blips that could have been real or false targets.
This is from 2005 I believe, but the evidence he reveals is still pertinent regardless.

Webster Tarpley - The 9/11 issue - How to stop World War III

Google Video Link

The more you learn, the deeper the rabbit hole goes...

reply to post by ashamedamerican


Wow! Great video, I have watch half of it all ready, and I can say I have touch on some of his information during my research and this confirm some of my finding.
I hope to find the time tomorrow to finish watching the rest of this.
Your video is a gem thanks.

Just in case there is anyone out there who doesn't believe that this administration lies, then lies about their lies, then lies about their lies about their lies... well you get the point just watch these.
Bush and his posse caught lying in their own words.
When you get paid to tell 10,000 lies per day it must get really tough to keep them all straight.

American Scholars Symposium 9/11 and the NeoCon Agenda - Los Angeles, California June 2006
This is a thread I started for the American Scholars Symposium videos.

I highly recommend parts 2 and 3 of of the Professor Steven Jones videos, it gives a very good scientific perspective of why the official story is the real conspiracy theory.

More than any other, I recommend the William Rodriguez video.
For anyone who doesn't know he was the last civilian (non first responder) pulled from the wreckage. Without his master key (that he had to sue the port authority for) many more people would have died that day. The port authority employees who had the other master keys were some of the first people to flee from the building, this man made multiple trips back into the WTC complex to save people.

This man is by far the biggest hero of the entire 911 tragedy, God bless his soul.