Is anyone else ready for the end of Civilization?

I have never been one to buy into all of the "End of the World" chatter, whether it be on the idea that CERN was going to create black holes or the Illuminati is tip-toeing through government buildings at night and really running things.
HOWEVER, I must say I am a bit concerned with how things are going now. There is this undeniable "feel" (for lack of a better word) that something or, rather, Something is coming...and soon.
I will openly admit it. I am ready for the end of Civilization. I don't know how else to put it.
I watch movies and documentaries (yes, I know it's only TV) and I am getting in the mindset that governmentless society is almost inevitable. I can picture myself in a world, where all I have to do is think about surviving. I have my gun (Smith and Wesson 380 Sigma), I have my beautiful girl friend, and I have transportation...bring it on.
Are we being conditioned for this?

reply to post by _Johnny_Utah_


first. there will always be a government/ authority. thats fact.

second, in a mad max world, the last thing you would want to do is get attached to a girlfriend.

hate to say this, but she would become no more useful than a bargaining tool.

unless she can fend off the thieves and psychos in the middle of the night..your warm cozy days snuggling together around a camp fire in the middle of the night will be few and far in between..or probably never.

Girlfriend?

Transportation? Yeah, you’ll be filling up at the local gas station after the end of civilization.

Also, you’ll be needing a lot more than a hand gun to survive the end of civilization. Just how long do think your ammo will last? Got any food? Water? A spot to bug out to? Careful what you wish for. I’m much more prepared than you by the sound of it, but believe me it’s the last thing in the world I want to happen.

Johnny, don't feel like the lone ranger. I've had this feeling for quite a while myself. And unlike ableivingskeptgic, I can see us descending into what will essentially be anarchy. Like you I'm armed, (12 gauge), I have plenty of food on hand, and I am adding more everytime I get paid. I don't have a survival vehicle, and where I live, it wouldn't make much difference anyhow. When Society does break down, vehicles ain't gonna be worth a damn without gasoline or diesal. Think about shoe leather express, or bicycle.
But the closest thing we will have for government will be local governments or warlords.
(Use the shotgun cause I don't have to quite so accurate when I aim. And the barrel of 12 gauge looks like a damned cannon when you are on the business end. Been there. I know!)

reply to post by _Johnny_Utah_


Sounds like you've been playing one too many video games. Life in that sort of situation will be hard. Harder than any of us could possibly imagine, living as we do in our comfy, first world homes.

the more I read and join the dots, the more I am seeing things in the light of cold hard reality and I'm inclined to agree with you.

They are following a plan, an agenda , and this is all laid out in the book they helped to create centuries ago...The Bible.
Economic collapse, The Rise of the antiChrist bringing in a new one world religion, then the appearance of the "saviour" who according to their plan reigns war on makind from the skies with his minions of "angels".
Alien Invasion.

First they test the loyalty of their slaves by bringing someone on the scene who will encourage the masses to get chipped. They do this when the world is on its knees in fear and distress, after the SHTF big time with total econmic collapse, a massive war in the middle east and an increase in "natural disasters" which they will make happen if the 2012 alignment does not cause this as some think will.....

The antichrist is just a test to see who will prove to be loyal....many will not want the chip so will not merit a place in the new world....They sort the slaves from the rebels so to speak. The "saviour" of the "second coming" comes to destroy all of those who do not have "the seal of God" on their foreheads...the microchip, the symbol of loyalty to this system, this world, the powers of this world and the god of this world, Enlil-Jehovah. The so called saviour is a devil in disguise. It's not difficult to see this when you consider this so called saviour plans to kill all those who do not have his seal...is that being a being of love ? yeah, right.

They rapture away - "beam everyone up" who has the seal, kill of everyone else then when the time is right, bring the chipped slaves back down to Earth which will be "made new".

A far out idea ? Sure, I didn't want to see it but I'm seeing it after all I've read. I could be wrong, but I throw this in the mix nonetheless.

I am imagining a world where those that escape all that's planned have to live a life on the run if they hope to survive. I can't see how this faction of humankind as we know it can hope to perpetuate the species in the face of this enemy unless someone/something comes to "rescue" us of fight them in our skies.

[edit on 26/10/08 by cosmicpixie]

Listen don't take this the wrong way, but when you start thinking like that, you gotta get out more...it helps!

The world aint going to end! Yeah it's starting to go somewhere knew, but it aint ending!

I don't think she was saying that it was ending per se, but that it was changing for the worse. However, her vision of this future is completely far out. It's an economic slowdown, not the coming of some religion's prophet/metaphor for evil.

reply to post by resistor


I live in Utah and work in the mountains quite often, so I know several good places to go if things go south.
As far as transportation, I didn't figure on pulling up to the pump and saying "hey, fill 'er up."
I sort of figured it would be more of a manual pump I would have to do until the gas was cleaned out. The transportation, was more of a medium to get to a place to "hide out."
I understand every generation thinks they are the last, but at some point one of them will be. I wonder if we are preparing ourselves for this event through movies, books, even some television shows which promote self preservation through the most dire of circumstances.
I think it is quite possible the country as we know it is on the verge of changing in a very dramatic way (some will say that is a good thing...others a very good thing), but what will happen in the meantime between the reorganization of government and the fall of it...will be chaos.
Am I reading too much into it?

reply to post by _Johnny_Utah_



Honest answer ? Yes, I think you're reading too much into it and very probably a lot of your reading is being done here in ATS and similar 'conspiracy sites', where almost every single issue is dramatised out of all proportion.

Civilization will never cease to be until humans reach their extinction cycle.

humans have been civilized for almost 14000 years. we have evolved to be functional in a group setting. We would be hard pressed to revert suddenly, wander off 1 by 1, live separate lives as hunter gatherers.

reply to post by _Johnny_Utah_


People have always been expecting for the end to come. Will it come soon, maybe. Am I ready, yes, I wouldn't mind. In fact, I would rather die in the apocalypse, than in a car accident, or of old age. Just seems more appealing to me.

But, on the other hand, I think some of the posters here are right. No matter how fun, and free it may sound, it will be super tough. There will always be someone with a bigger better gun than you. I for one would keep to myself, as much as I could.

Always preapare for the worst, and hope for the best. And don't count on anything happening in our lifetime, because we won't be that lucky to see the end.

Having a gun, a beautiful girlfriend, and transportation will keep you alive for uh, not long if that is all you are counting on needing in such a break down of civilization.

A gun will only help you out as long as you have ammo.. when the ammo is gone, the gun is of little use except to hit others over the head with lol. I hate to say it, but I almost agree with the guy above.. the gf will weigh you down unless she is keen on survival skills. And transportation will do little good without fuel and if you have fuel, most likely (considering your seemingly naive ideal of what the breakdown of civilization will entail) your possession of a vehicle will get you seriously injured if not killed when the madmen have no "policeman" in their head keeping them civil.

If you think that the police and those in leadership positions are out of control, just wait until you take that authority out of the heads of the public. Not going to be quite what I think you are envisioning.

Originally posted by Dock6
reply to post by _Johnny_Utah_

 

Honest answer ? Yes, I think you're reading too much into it and very probably a lot of your reading is being done here in ATS and similar 'conspiracy sites', where almost every single issue is dramatised out of all proportion.

I hate to "diss" ATS, but I don't believe in many (if any) of the conspiracy theories....except for maybe the moon hoax.
Aliens...nope
hollow earth...nope
Illuminait...hahahaha
Katrina (being as how I was displaced by it)...sorry, it was nothing but a hurricane
9-11....no way, the idea of a 9-11 cover-up is absurd

I just have a feeling with this and I was wondering if anyone else did.

reply to post by justamomma


I don't think I said anything about police or our leadership being out of control. I don't know where you would get that from.
I said I thnk the country is on the verge of a massive shift of sorts and in the meantime there will be chaos until a new order/government will be installed or take over.
I think people who refuse to look a possible breakdown in social order are the people who are naive. Nothing lasts forever...nothing.
Transportation...as said before, is a way to get to somewhere safe...which here, in the mountains, there are plenty.
I think man is, by nature, a destructive animal. Sure, we have invented amazing and wonderful tools to make our lives better, but we also find a way to pervert them and use them for harm.
SOcial order will not last forever. This country will not last forever. Name me one nation from ancient history which still the same way as it is now...there are none. Things will change and will it come as a shock, to many people.
Will it happen in our lifetimes? I have no idea...but I say this. Technology has put us at a point where the world can change or fall apart faster than it can be rebuilt.

reply to post by _Johnny_Utah_


Well, I can't disagree with what you have said here. I see it coming too. The breakdown has been inevitable since we quit being caretakers of this earth and started searching for ways that the earth and beyond could take care of us. We have become reliant and this is certainly cause for concern.

I just can't be naive and say I am ready for it in the sense that I think I could take care of myself and my sons... although I am a fighter and will certainly go down trying.

When you ask if anyone is ready for the end of civilization, I would answer yes in the sense that I am tired of pretending like we all know what we are doing and what is happening. I would just like the reality of our dire situation to be "out in the open" and lets deal with it already. It will get worse before it gets better, so yeah... I agree. Let's just face the worse already.

When the end hits- I am going to go out and sit in a comfy chair with a bowl of popcorn. My life has pretty much ended, so my survival will be based on dumb luck- not anything I actually do. I give myself a week in the new chaos and disorder.


Now.... who wants popcorn?

Originally posted by wylekat
When the end hits- I am going to go out and sit in a comfy chair with a bowl of popcorn. My life has pretty much ended, so my survival will be based on dumb luck- not anything I actually do. I give myself a week in the new chaos and disorder.


Now.... who wants popcorn?

I tell you what, if it has the fake butter with all the fat and junk to clog you up...I'm in!

reply to post by justamomma

I guess I am looking at this from a little different view than you are. I have no children and never plan on having any.
It is very short-sighted of me to think of it in that way, sorry.
I don't believe there is a plot for the end to come (unless you add the Bible into that...I am a Christian by the way) but it does seem as though we are conditioning ourselves to get ready for it.
End of the World movies and stories are very popular now and I wonder if part of that is because collectively we are "sensing"it coming.
Art expresses our deep fears and loves, but it also demonstrates obvious feelings and trends as well.

I would have to be brutal and say no. It is something I think about occasional and I have read some of the threads in the survival forum.

And just which end of the world would you buy in to. Y2K, the fire up at Cern or 2012/2013 to name just a few.

And how much time am I going to have to give up to plan?

Good thread to making you think!!!