Newspaper shows Obama belonged to Socialist Party

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
YOu say socialism isnt that bad.....hm name one area of the world thats socialist thats doing great? Get a grip people.

And your economic model is doing how well exactly?

Get a grip indeed.

how come on every other post i see people say that acronym but i cant say it on here? so now my posts are being audited even when i dont use the word? Wow i mean..........wow

reply to post by Merriman Weir


our model is the best in the world so far it seems........and YOU just made a snide comment without providing me with an answer to my question. Please only reply if you have one, it just makes your argument pointless.

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen


It doesn't matter, not a single person who is planning to vote for Obama will care.

He's the messiah remember?

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

our model is the best in the world so far it seems........and YOU just made a snide comment without providing me with an answer to my question. Please only reply if you have one, it just makes your argument pointless.

And what model would that be?

I'm pretty sure that any model you think of will be wrong - they may tell you it'sa certain model and that it's good, but what they really mean is that it's good for themselves.

reply to post by budski


what do you mean what model is that? Read up, its in reply to another poster. The MODEL would be how our system is set up, the system isnt broken the politicians are. The basis of our whole make up works, its the people we let run it. Like i said, i posed a question, instead of snide remarks, answer the question. Unless i get some answers to it, i suppose ill just not respond to anymore of the posts, because the left wing biggots just want to throw mud at America instead of provide answers. So ill pose again, name one socialist system that is doing better than us right now? As posted above, if i get no replies ill just assume that you have no answers and youll just deflect, like is often done.

sigh...

Come on, folks, get a grip. This site is geared towards denying ignorance.

Socialism:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Barack Obama does not, repeat does NOT advocate any of these characteristics of Socialism.

Oppose him or not, that is your choice. But at least do yourself the favor of opposing him for something real.

I mean, come on. I've read on here of some people opposing Obama for his stance on gun control, or abortion. OK, fine. At least they are basing their opposition on positions the guy actually takes.

But this kind of tripe, right along with his "Muslim-ism", his "hates Whitey-ism", etc, does the adherents no favors at all.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

our model is the best in the world so far it seems........and YOU just made a snide comment without providing me with an answer to my question. Please only reply if you have one, it just makes your argument pointless.

Really? The best in the world? The capitalism that isn't really capitalism? The one that's just as vulnerable to abuse as other economic models? The one that's just being to be propped-up by a series of economic interventions because of a massive collapse?

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
what do you mean what model is that? Read up, its in reply to another poster. The MODEL would be how our system is set up

I don't care about your conversations with another poster - I am asking you what economic model you think it is that exists in your country.
Now would YOU like to answer?

BTW - the word is BIGOT.
With one G

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by budski

 

what do you mean what model is that? Read up, its in reply to another poster. The MODEL would be how our system is set up, the system isnt broken the politicians are. The basis of our whole make up works, its the people we let run it.

Why do you seem to think that's the case only with your economic model - the one you seem quite cagey about actually defining? I mean if you're talking hypothetical models, rather than how they actually turned out, why can't you apply that to any other economies, including the ones you seem so determined to point out have failed?

You can whine 'it's not supposed to be like this' and 'it was tinkered with!' but the reality is that it is like this and it was tinkered with. The little guy got screwed over by the big guy again and your economic model was no different.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen

 

It doesn't matter, not a single person who is planning to vote for Obama will care.

He's the messiah remember?

Insulting the totality of Obama supporters and infering that they are delusional helps who? You? McCain? the USA? or are you just hoping that other similiar minded people will give you a star when you have literally contributed nothing to the discussion?

Antogonism and insults? That is your contribution to the political process?

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Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen


This subject has been discussed in the "Decision 2008" Forum before. However, for the VERY first time, it has been published through a News Outlet.
worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

The Worldnetdaily is a news outlet the way the National Enquirer is...not sure if that is fair to the National Enquirer.

Show me a better source.

reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic


It looks to me that bailing out wallstreet and the government taking partial control of banking and finicial corporations is a step in that direction.
Banks create credit and distribute money,in my mind that is a product .
How much of a step is it to envision all the forclosed homes being handled by the government, being doled out to the homeless via some sort of lottery.
How about 40% of the public recieving government kick backs from higher taxes upon the wealthy. All these things are socialism! This country has been suffering from creeping socialism since the Vietnam war ended.
People seem nowdays to vote for whatever makes life easier for themselves.And damn the good of the country.Well we are going to get exactly what we deserve.

reply to post by daddyroo45


Yeah, well printing ridiculous amounts of money to do it is absolutely idiotic. The bailout should have never happened. None of this should have happened. The more the government does to fix the mess...the deeper the hole gets.


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reply to post by daddyroo45


Regarding the bail-out, I agree. Obama and 73 other Senators, including McCain, were dead wrong on that decision.

I'm glad to say that my Senator and my Congressman both voted correctly - NO - on that. (Yeah, I know, I have TWO Senators, officially... one of them is nowhere near ever representing me. The other one does, from time to time).

So while that is indeed a Socialistic move, Obama can hardly be singled out and called a Socialist because of it. Unless you care to apply the same label to everybody that voted for it.

This country has been experiencing creeping socialism since before the Vietnam war ended. Look at government subsidies of agriculture, pharmaceuticals and petroleum companies.

As for taxes, ALL taxes are a form of wealth redistribution. Where does the gov't get the funds for the above-mentioned subsidies? That would be taxes, i.e. redistribution of the wealth.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
....hm name one area of the world thats socialist thats doing great? Get a grip people.

Europe.

Most European countries have instituted some forms of socialism, for example socialized medicine and other social programs, though none of them are entirely socialist according to the Marxist definition of the word. Many of these countries (notably Sweden) have active socialist political parties.

The United States pretty much stands alone in its phobia about socialism.

It's the modern day boogeyman.

Barack Obama is center left, tending strongly to the center. He may have some socialist sympathies (in fact, I hope he does) but he is nowhere near being a real socialist.

reply to post by Sestias

Don't forget the ever so scary US Postal Service!! Firefighters......police.....

All are "socialized" in this loose definition.

Dictionary.com's definition of Socialism:


"1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

Edit: There are also other definitions from various sources on the page.

Link:

dictionary.reference.com...



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reply to post by David9176


This is from the same source....

An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity.

Sounds rather nice to me (personally). I am not sold on the the ills of cooperation very easily. I see everyday all around me, people are struggling.
All of the people I know are working class.....hard working people. They work their 40+ every week. I see people losing their cars, houses, and jobs....

I place blame on corporate America for their greed.

What has happened.....is there is no more blood they can squeeze out of a stone.
Middle class America is broke.
We didn't lose billions on Wall St....
We didn't start wars of aggression to raise the price of gas.
We didn't make banks do ANYTHING the didn't WANT to do out of their own greed....

Corporations did. They robbed us blind in the name of "free enterprise". We are nothing but fodder for their machine.....running 24/7.

They own us.

The least we can do is own them.