Kindergarten sex ed becoming mandatory in England

i have called them bunnies and willys because i am trying to convey the innocence of children at this age, you may like to indulge your children with the knowledge of how they fit together, but i who have a daughter and a son, 3 and 6, who still bath together do not, but the most annoying part of this is that we will not have a choice!, it is not for the goverment to decide what is right for my children, nothing that you say will ever change my mind regarding this. we are good parents who consider our childrens welfare and education above everything, we educate our kids as we see fit regarding these issues. we do not want them hearing about sex or drugs in any other forum than home, we do not shirk our responsabilities to educate our children as it is quite apparent that you do, we do not need to rely on a school give these lessons nor wish to

reply to post by Layla


see above, get a grip, once the damage is done it cannot be reversed, a time and a place 7 is not the time and school is not the place, our children are quite versed that nobody is allowed to touch them there, you are robbing children of their innocence to fit in with a repugnant media

reply to post by THELONIO



It's "quite apparent" that I shirk my responsibilities? Because I allow my children the knowledge of the CORRECT NAMES for their anatomy? That's quite a stretch. Never did I say that they know how the two parts "fit together" as you state. I do not disagree that there is "age appropriate" knowledge to be had. My children are QUITE innocent, and quite modest, even though they know that a penis is, in fact, a penis.

Did I ever once say that parents should NOT teach this at home also? As with EVERYTHING, parents should ALWAYS teach their children, the fact is though, MANY parents choose not to, if the parents refuse, where will they learn? Peers? That's not very safe either.

Lastly, I don't know UK law, but in the U.S., sex education in ANY GRADE is a seperate class that parents do in fact have the right to exclude their children from It's not like it's a daily curriculum :/

I think they should teach abstinence instead of sex ed so the UK could reach the (enormous) american teen pregnancy rate ... OR do like any other country in western europe : tell kids it's ok to have sex as long as they do it safely.

Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by Layla

 

see above, get a grip, once the damage is done it cannot be reversed, a time and a place 7 is not the time and school is not the place, our children are quite versed that nobody is allowed to touch them there, you are robbing children of their innocence to fit in with a repugnant media

Explain to me HOW the word "PENIS" robs ANYONE of innocence? My children are not running around boinking their friends because they know the correct names for their anatomy.

Get a grip? I'd suggest the same to you. Your idea of the sky falling because a child knows that she has a vagina is ridiculous.

reply to post by Layla


my son kows what a penis is, he also calls it a willy, and "his giblets", he is not in training to become a doctor, he is only just 6, why on earth should he need to know anything like this at all?, he does not want to know, you are obviously willing to lose the rights of parents to choose what is right for there kids because a kids have failed to stay safe. do you think that the modern teenager realy takes any notice of the dangers regardless of knowing them?, wise up and smell the bacon, it is because of ever increasingly relaxing of standards that are getting the children into trouble. and the garbage television that comes mostly from america

Do you guys remember a few years back a program on tv, put cameras in nurserys, at school. They found women talking about anal sex, in front of the kids. Is this what people like obama, want, when they say this.

Teachers minds can be so disgusting, and you never know, which should be allowed near kids. Do you really think it is safe, to bring up these subjects, with all the weirdos in society getting, teaching jobs, especially females these days.

reply to post by Layla


why is it so important to you that it is called a penis? everybody knows that a willy is a penis and a penis is a willy, stop forcing all of your hang ups on our children

I think kids (teens) are going to have sex no matter what---even with sex ed.
No amount of education is going to stop raging hormones.
Most everyone (adults) knows to use condoms in this day and age to avoid stds and hiv, but how many adults keep getting tested positive for hiv? How can we expect our teens to abstain when adults don't even do the very thing we've been educated about?

Teens have that " It won't happen to me" mentality, just like some adults who think they can't get hiv.

I still sex ed should be taught at home, when the parents feel the kids are ready. Little bits of education at a time, not dumping the whole shebang on them at once.

[edit on 25-10-2008 by Clark W. Griswold]

Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by Layla

 

why is it so important to you that it is called a penis? everybody knows that a willy is a penis and a penis is a willy, stop forcing all of your hang ups on our children

I think YOUR FEAR of the word is more your problem than mine.

Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by Layla

 

my son kows what a penis is, he also calls it a willy, and "his giblets", he is not in training to become a doctor, he is only just 6, why on earth should he need to know anything like this at all?, he does not want to know, you are obviously willing to lose the rights of parents to choose what is right for there kids because a kids have failed to stay safe. do you think that the modern teenager realy takes any notice of the dangers regardless of knowing them?, wise up and smell the bacon, it is because of ever increasingly relaxing of standards that are getting the children into trouble. and the garbage television that comes mostly from america

As a mother of little ones AND a "modern teenager" yes, in fact, I know that some DO take the dangers into consideration. My son surely does. I'll tell you this, my son, at age 14 is FAR MORE INNOCENT than his own father was at that same age. The reason for this is because he was taught, by his father and I, about the dangers of sex and the realities of what happens when you engage in it.

You really do draw many a conclusion about me and my children although you know nothing about me other than the fact that I think using "pet names" for your anatomy is just plain silly.

reply to post by Layla


I'm in my forties and I don't think I've ever heard a man in conversation call his penis a penis. I can see it being called a penis at a dr. office, but that's about it. It doesn't matter what it's called, people know what the heck your talking about.

reply to post by andy1033


thank you, someone with some sense

Originally posted by Clark W. Griswold
reply to post by Layla

 

I'm in my forties and I don't think I've ever heard a man in conversation call his penis a penis. I can see it being called a penis at a dr. office, but that's about it. It doesn't matter what it's called, people know what the heck your talking about.

And I think that's silly too. What are so many people so afraid to use those words, as if they're "dirty"? A man won't call his own "unit" a penis, but he'll call it a "dick", a "willy" or even "Little Tom" (or whatever, you get my drift). What IS the problem with the actual words?

You do call your feet, "feet" right? And your elbows? Are those your "Ellies" or something? No, so why a different terms for any other body part?

Originally posted by andy1033
Do you guys remember a few years back a program on tv, put cameras in nurserys, at school. They found women talking about anal sex, in front of the kids. Is this what people like obama, want, when they say this.

Teachers minds can be so disgusting, and you never know, which should be allowed near kids. Do you really think it is safe, to bring up these subjects, with all the weirdos in society getting, teaching jobs, especially females these days.

Those women should have been fired, as should have the "director" of that day care, as this is obviously a problem, and these employees were obviously not being supervised.

There is a huge difference between adults having a casual conversation about sex in front of little ones and a curriculum that parents can opt out of.

Where in the article did anyone get the idea 5 year olds would be taught about condoms and anal sex anyway?

Sex education should be left to the parents. Not strangers.

Also, if it is indeed taught, I was taught "family life" in fifth or sixth grade, which is about the correct time since I was just about to hit puberty.

The poster above who said this is all about destroying the innocence of children is absolutely correct. Here are some more real-life examples of what the real agenda is:


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Satanic image found in Pearland, Texas, school (12-04)(courtesy KHOU-TV)

Local school officials in a suburb of Houston, Texas, are investigating how it was possible that a school police officer handed out calendars to students that featured explicit details on satanic and sexual rituals for every day of the month.

"September 20th is a 'midnight host' whatever that is," said one unidentified parent reading from the calendar. "You should have a blood-type ritual. September 23rd is the fall equinox – you should have an orgy. Activity group sex, any age, any sex."

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In early 1998, "...state education authorities in Virginia had invested $16,000 in publication of a tract identified as a drug-free party guide, calling for schools to sponsor activities such as Jell-O wrestling and pageants featuring males dressing like females."

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High School Internet Porn Assignment Canceled After Uproar
www.newsnet5.com...
Friday, January 13, 2006
A homework asssignment handed out to a freshman class at Brooklyn High, Brooklyn, Ohio was canceled after parents in this Cleveland suburb found out it involved the children's use of the internet to visit pornographic websites. The assignment asked students to research pornography on the Internet and list eight facts about pornography. Students also were asked to write their personal views of pornography and any experience they had with it.

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--From the May 16, 2006 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
www.jsonline.com/story/in...?id=424003
Parents are angry and school leaders are promising action in response to a "Heterosexual Questionnaire," approved by two teachers, that asked students questions such as: "If you have never slept with someone of your same gender, then how do you know you wouldn't prefer it?"
--questions included: "What do you think caused your heterosexuality?" and "When did you decide you were heterosexual?"
--(Sophomore Justin) Perry said he did not understand the point of spending a class period on the survey. "I know it's a survey," he said, "but what is it trying to teach us?"

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www.worldnetdaily.com...
'Confidentiality' promise requires students 'not to tell their parents'
March 13, 2007
Officials at Deerfield High School in Deerfield, Ill., have ordered their 14-year-old freshman class into a "gay" indoctrination seminar, after having them sign a confidentiality agreement promising not to tell their parents.
"This is unbelievable," said Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues for Concerned Women for America. "It's not enough that students at Deerfield High are being exposed to improper and offensive material relative to unhealthy and high-risk homosexual behavior, but they've essentially been told by teachers to lie to their parents about it."

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4-10-07
Class Lecturers give go ahead to teen sex, drug use at Boulder High School, Boulder Valley School District.

cbs4denver.com...
The lecture was titled "STDs: Sex, Teens and Drugs" and was part of a required lecture for student during the Conference on World Affairs at the high school. Here are two excerpts from the lecture:
--"I'm going to encourage you to have sex and I'm going to encourage you to use drugs appropriately." - speaker was Joel Becker, associate clinical professor of psychology at the University of California at Los Angeles

www.rockymountainnews.com...
(parent)Priscilla White complained to the school board that the panelists talked to hundreds of high school students about the difficulty of maintaining an erection while using condoms, the naturalness of experimenting with same-sex relationships and why drugs should be legalized.

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www.suntimes.com...
Family of girl, 12, sues after 'Brokeback' shown in class (Chicago)
May 13, 2007

A suit was filed on behalf of a 12-year-old girl who claims she suffered psychological distress when a teacher showed in class the gay-themed movie "Brokeback Mountain." According to the suit, a substitute teacher introduced herself as Ms. Buford to Jessica's class at Ashburn Community Elementary School .... . She then said, "What happens in Ms. Buford's class stays in Ms. Buford's class," the suit claims. Buford then had a student close the door, and started showing the controversial R-rated film, which features two men engaged in sex.










[edit on 25-10-2008 by starviego]

Someone please explain: precisely why does a 5 year old child need to know about sex? What exactly is supposed to be the benefit of this proposal? Is it so that children will have safe sex? No, children of that age have no sexuality. Is it so they can be taught that nobody should touch them in certain places? No, they don't need to understand exactly what sex is to understand that concept. Is it because they must know the proper biological names for their body parts? No, the nomenclature is irrelevant to the understanding - a child knows what a "broom broom car" is and what function it performs, whether they know it's also called an "automobile" or not. So why?

The BBC article offers this:



This could be interpreted to mean the curriculum will teach relationship concepts like marriage. But learning about marriage and family structure is nothing new for kindergarteners, so perhaps by "moral framework" they mean concepts like abstaining from pre-marital sex, in which case we come back to my original question: Why? Why do children need to learn such concepts when, at that age, they are not exposed to any risk due to their ignorance? I'm dumbfounded.... Whatever problem they are trying to solve here, I doubt this is the solution.

[edit on 2008-10-25 by wecomeinpeace]

reply to post by Layla

it is not dirty to call it a penis, it is just a little clinical, it is not the terminology that i protest to, it is the other stuff that will be taught, its not good for little minds, and an infringement of the rights of a parent

Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by Layla

 

it is not dirty to call it a penis, it is just a little clinical, it is not the terminology that i protest to, it is the other stuff that will be taught, its not good for little minds, and an infringement of the rights of a parent

It just seems to me, that people are jumping to conclusion on what will and will not be taught because the article is not specific at all. Also, it still sounds to me like it will be an optional lesson given at a particular time of the year, in which case, you simply don't allow your child to attend.

You always have a choice, the question is whether or not you decide to make it. (That's not to you alone Thelonio, it's to everyone in general)