India's Chandrayaan Blasts Off To The Moon!

reply to post by contradunce

I think that there is a giant spacecraft based on the Moon, about eight years ago, I saw an enormous craft above the Moon, I watched it through a telescope for about an hour and a half as it slowly descended to a point at about 'eleven o clock' just beyond the horizon.
I think that there are many other craft there too, having seen them on some of the Clementine Photos.
I just hope that that we get to see more, from this excellent mission that India has achieved.

Regards,

Horsegiver.

I was skeptic at what the Indians would release on this mission, especially going by what the Chinese and Japanese did not so long ago (JAXA to its credit did show some good pics)..
But this display by ISRO/India far exceeds my expectations..
Absolutely awesome!!



Where is that descent video? And its in colour? Why is that?

Originally posted by horsegiver
I think that there is a giant spacecraft based on the Moon, about eight years ago, I saw an enormous craft above the Moon, I watched it through a telescope for about an hour and a half as it slowly descended to a point at about 'eleven o clock' just beyond the horizon. ...

You are kidding, right, you alien peeping-tom, you!

reply to post by contradunce

If asteroids were the reason we'd be seeing semi circular orbs jutting out of the moonscape than empty craters.

Not necessarily. An asteroid's impact with another celestial body would destroy the asteroid due to the enormous explosive force generated. In 1178 the moon was hit by an asteroid with the force of 120,000 megatons. That is about six times the force of Earth's entire atomic arsenal.

reply to post by mikesingh


Didn't know where to post this so I thought I'd add to this thread. Richard Hoagland has recently suggested that Obama (or those behind him) must suspect why India is engaging in a totally "non-economic" major domestic expenditure. Additionally, why India has planned future more expensive missions with the Russians.. Hoagland believes there are ET-artifacts on the moon and with other nations actively going into space, the NASA-DOD cover-up can no longer hold up. Obama's pledge to space exploration is an indicator that he knows what's at stake and wants the US back on the moon.

Allowing India "to do it" has a certain logic behind it. It would give NASA a much-needed "plausible deniability" -- in terms of its own, decades-long NASA data and the cover-up; the Indians just had "better, newer equipment" ... which allowed scientific proof of what was merely hinted at on NASA's ~40-year-old images! As with all other ultimately political decisions, the final decision would seem to depend on how dumb "they" think the rest of us really are ... to buy this type of "Indian revelation." If it comes. Stay tuned.

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reply to post by sentinel2107


I kid you not, I watched an enormous craft manouevering above the Moon, for about an hour and half one winter's evening, when I first saw it, I thought that it was a Star, but half an hour later when I went out to fetch logs for the fire, it was still in the same relative position, ruling out the possibility. I believe that our Solar System is teeming with life, so many people having so many sightings, do the 'debunkers' seriously believe that all these thousands of craft seen by thousands of people around the World and throughout history are not piloted by someone?

Regards,

Horsegiver.

Originally posted by Scramjet76In 1178 the moon was hit by an asteroid with the force of 120,000 megatons. That is about six times the force of Earth's entire atomic arsenal.

And in 1178 they measured this HOW?

reply to post by CosmicScorpion


CosmicScorp....

Please continue to keep in mind the incredible energies involved when an 'asteroid', moving at a relative velocity of thousands of miles (or kilometers) per hour strikes a large body.

Take out the notion of the atmosphere....yes, that friction DOES result in some additional heating prior to impact, but consider the speeds involved, and the true 'thickness' of the atmosphere. (I'm talking Earth here, for example).

In any event, the impact with the surface obliterates the incoming object.

No, you do NOT see large pieces laying around afterwards...like in a cartoon or really poor science fiction movies from the 1950s.

Also, remember that most of the notable craters on the Moon were formed billions and billions of years ago. No atmosphere equals no erosion, so they remain to be admired by us today.

I would compare to the exploration of Mars...there are craters on the Red Planet, but not nearly has many as on the Moon...hinting that, at least some time in the past, Mars had erosive activities, such as a thick atmosphere and liquid water.

Most of the craters from past impacts on the Earth are long gone....eroded away, covered up....'Meteor Crater' in Arizona being an exception. It is estimated at about 50,000 years old...just a blink of an eye in Galactic time scales.

But, 'Meteor Crater' is something to physically examine, study, and learn from in order to understand how extraterrestrial craters are formed.

reply to post by zorgon


Of course!!!

1178, the 12th century....the 'height' of the Renaissance.

(yes, I was being a wee bit sarcastic...and slightly Euro-centric)

As I seem to remember, there was an observance, likely by Chinese viewers in the 12th century, of a huge 'explosion' on the Moon. This event was recorded, written down somewhere, and achieved monumental importance....perhaps even mystical significance, given the times.....

But, zorgon has a point: How would one measure such a thing, since we all know no one ever exagerrates!!!

reply to post by zorgon


Your guess is as good as mine. I'm assuming they didn't measure it in 1178. I think they analyze isotopes in lunar rocks around the impact site to find when they were exposed to a massive explosive force.



Perhaps they analyze the Helium-3 in the dust and rocks around the impact ejecta area?

Originally posted by CosmicScorpion

Jokes apart, if there happened so many asteroids and meteors bombardments, where are those damn asteroids and meteors. Burned out? There is no thick layer of atmosphere to apply sufficient friction onto the incoming meteors. Then how come they vanished out of the lunar surface? If they are not burned out the lunar surface must be littered with boulders of crashed asteroids and meteors.

They are there. But it is going to require 1 meter resolutions to see most of them from orbit.







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reply to post by 44soulslayer


I think the crater is on a slope, with its face pointing away from the Sun, so the crater looks darker than if it was on a horizontal surface or on a slope with its face to the Sun.

reply to post by Phage


I think those boulders and other chunks are NOT the remains of the object that impacts....they are the RESULT of the impact!

A 10-km diameter chunk impacts at 50,000 kph....it is vaporized...but the surface at the perimeter of the impact point is disrupted, hence the boulders......

reply to post by weedwhacker


No doubt true and my brief comment did seem to imply the boulders are asteroid bits but the point is that the moon's surface is littered with impact debris.

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Originally posted by sentinel2107
Check this out, guys!!

(Seems not to work on Firefox. Works in IE)
Lunar Flyby of Chandrayaan-1

A short movie made from the images taken by Terrain Mapping Camera (TMC) of Chandrayaan-1 as the spacecraft flew over the area near the South polar region of moon. The Terrain Mapping Camera,built by ISRO's Space Applications Centre(SAC) of Ahmedabad, is taking excellent pictures of Moon's surface from Chandrayaan-1's 100 km high orbit from the Lunar surface.

For those who have not been able to see/download the video, here's the link (about 20 MB) to the wmv file (it plays better offline):
Download..

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by sentinel2107Doesn't it appear that a larger parallelogram area (with the bluish patch at one of the vertices) is decidedly more "clear" than the surrounding region? Has the original photo been tampered with?

Nope no tampering... but lets not drag Aristarchus in here

I will link you via u2u

I agree
Aristarchus is absolutely SPLENDID !!

I wonder if we will get any further pics

reply to post by sentinel2107


That video is such a tease. You can tell that the quality of the data is just superb, and yet the video degradation makes it beyond investigation. You look long enough you start seeing reptilian pupils in the craters.

How about next time we just pirate the signal off Chandrayaan-II and just work of the raw data?

Here it is but the res on You Tube sucks!



Cheers!

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Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by 44soulslayer

 

I think the crater is on a slope, with its face pointing away from the Sun, so the crater looks darker than if it was on a horizontal surface or on a slope with its face to the Sun.

That would certainly make it look deeper, but I still wonder why the edges are so sharp.

I read a while back about some mysterious, deep shafts like this one which could be used for future human settlements below the surface (ie would minimize drilling requirements).

Originally posted by contradunce
Another thing that puzzles me is the formation of craters that we can see bang in front with normal telescopes. How did these craters come about. Asteroids generated between the Earth and Moon? This is puzzling because the same side of the Moon always faces the Earth. So any craters striking directly and forming a round crater would ideally have been generated between the Earth and Moon or if slightly slanted the asteroid would have shizzed past near the Earth and escaped it's gravity. Unless a uniformly pock marked Moon was later escorted and positioned to circle the Earth?

The moon does rotate.

The moon rotates on an axis at the exact speed it orbits the earth! So the possibility of meteors hitting the side we see is absolutely possible...

Artificial? Another thread... But go figure all the facts of the moon, i.e. precise distance from the earth that the sun is the same size during an eclipse, rotation and orbit etc...

Like i said, different thread