India's Chandrayaan Blasts Off To The Moon!

reply to post by patsy22


and who knows.. you may not be wrong there.. at least for the stats you've taken from this thread..
But that is not all of India.. and yes maybe most who post here are not in India.. maybe that biases their judgement, but just because ATS is not well represented by on-the-ground Indians doesn't mean that the sentiment you get off here is stereotypical for the 300-450 million that do live in India, and are part of the largest educated self sufficient, empowered middle class on this planet. Maybe you should try and find out how much IS spent by India on the upliftment on those you perceive to be neglected, and then compare that to the money spent on the space program.
Does that make more sense?

Originally posted by TornPages
The country is bloody starving mate! These lads are pouring money into a space programme while their streets are fly infested, waters polluted, people dying and unemployed, and economy suffering? Get a damn grip on yourselves, what kind of government is this!?

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The kind that doesn't go invading foreign lands for monetary benefits? Also not the kind that doesn't have spine to stand up to such acts of blatant aggression/invasion?
The kind that doesn't play blind ally to another's hegemonic campaigns?

Where are you from mate? Though I do believe I can figure that one out w/o an answer

The core issue is whether India is putting enough money elsewhere and if India is getting something out of this space program, that it can give back to the upliftment of the poor.
Shouldn't be too hard to figure out eh? Just do the math on how much India spends on pulling its people beyond the poverty line, and compare that to the space program.
Afterall, all of you who are bringing out the point in comparision to this thread, which is on the space program, obviously want to show this program as a waste when the money can be diverted elsewhere eh? I mean whats the point posting bits about hunger in a space program thread if you ain't comparing the two right?
I mean, one sould start a separate thread on 'Hunger in India' if there was no intention to compare..

So do the math, come out with the numbers, and post on a bl00dy relevant line of thought to this thread, or .. well... tell Ricky that he needs some spin in the next match

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You guys are unnecessarily bashing the Telegraph article writer or those who commented
that the images would be used by NASA. The fact that NASA is going to use the images
for locating future lunar base (so that people can survive in future
by extract oxygen from water in the permafrost through electrolysis) is supposed
to be known to public for a long time. Such collaboration and cooperation would be
more normal as days go by.

moony

Originally posted by mikesingh
If you've outsourced your titanium sheets from China, then all you'll need for a cutter is a pack of Gillette Mach 3 shaving blades!! Lol!

Do you mean those Gillette blades made in China are extremely sharp?

reply to post by redchina


Lol not as sharp as your wit my Chinese friend, I salute you!!

India does rather seem to follow in China's footsteps all the time; and for good reason. Lets not start a China vs India argument... its pointless because China will ultimately be proven to be the superior country in terms of statistics at the moment.

The only thing that India will ever do before China in the short term is put its flag onto the moon, which is largely symbolic anyhow.

What needs to happen is true disclosure on what is present on the moon. I was hoping that the Japanese would disclose video/photography on the far side. Let's hope India will disclose.

Good article "How India flew to the moon economy class" in Times of India on 26th October. Link...

Interesting tit bits: [Note: 1 crore = 10 million]

1. "Chandrayaan-1 ... has cost less than one-tenth of the Indian Premier League (IPL) rights bagged by Sony Entertainment. .... the frugality of its space odyssey could be a lesson to the world."

2. ...[ISRO] spent just over Rs 380 crore (about half the price of a Jumbo Jet) on Chandrayaan-1 ... In real terms, Chandrayaan-1 cost only about 4% of Isro's budget over three years"

3. "How did Isro do it? 'Optimisation,' says its chairman G Madhavan Nair ... 'There are some tests the Americans would have done six times and we did only thrice. We scrutinise every parameter and optimised the tests. ... we have been successful with this approach so far.'"

4. "The IPL deal of about Rs 5,000 crore or $1 billion is equivalent to Isro's entire annual budget, while NASA's is 20 times as much."

5. "Antrix Corporation, Isro's commercial wing, has earned Rs 900 crore from commercial satellite launches and sale of remote sensing data last financial year and the revenues are growing at 25%."

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A funny thing is that the initial mission schematic released by ISRO --


[higher resolution image here]

-- is quite different from the maneuvers that are being executed right now.



The earlier schematic appears to be quite conventional. Wonder what caused the change in plans. Any thoughts? [Unless, of course, if half the elliptical last orbit is referred to as the Lunar Transfer Trajectory, then it is more or less the same]

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Wow it takes longer than I expected; must be those ridiculously elliptical orbits!

Yeah those orbits got me when I heard Mike say say 'translunar injection' and 5 days. but the 11 day loops make sence. This is a novel way to go to the moon for sure, use the Earth to slingshot it higher each time with a small boost... Like a swing...

I guess they aren't in a hurry/ I would think this would require a lot more precision as each step being off a small error would cause a miss

Definitely interesting and a first I believe. Everyone else just went straight there.

since there are no territorial rights to the moon.

Well the mineral rights have all ready been aquired over 30 years ago by a ruling in the World Court. They are owned by three people, Guy Cramer, Dr Joe Resnick and Lt Col O'Neill....

And what about all those people who bought land? Who enforces that? I have shown that there is another space program run by the NAVY (Clementine was NAVY, so was the OTHER tether that flew after STS75 etc) but we have all been to the Clementine browser yes?

Did anyone notice what they state in BOLD on the front page?

The Naval Research Laboratory is not affiliated in any way with any organization selling lunar property or acreage on the moon. NRL has no involvement, either officially or unofficially, in providing "after-sales service" for the purchase of lunar property from the Lunar Embassy, its franchisees, or any similar organizations. Disputes arising from the purchase of lunar property from such organizations must be resolved with the seller directly.

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...

But hey... nothing to see folks... move along... Zorgon is crazy



OH and BTW the NAVY NRL runs HAARP

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
www.nrl.navy.mil...








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Originally posted by sentinel2107
The earlier schematic appears to be quite conventional. Wonder what caused the change in plans.

Yes this is where Mike got the translunar injection from and your right save for the one extra large loop its a standard plan...

That is why I was confused when I see the brochure picture. Didn't translate to five days...

How can they change plans midstream? Or have they been sending us false data? Something not right here...

Originally posted by sentinel2107[Unless, of course, if half the elliptical last orbit is referred to as the Lunar Transfer Trajectory, then it is more or less the same]

No that would not work... If you look at the first 'normal' orbits you will see that the Earth orbits are counter clockwise and then clockwise around the moon

The second image shows the loop continuous counter clockwise and than perpendicular

Also the lunar orbits in the first diagram are circular while in the second they are long elipses...

I originally thought the second drawing was just a bad representation... but seems they are indeed following the paths of that one....

We will have to wait for the next burn to see what they do at that point

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice


Maybe John Lear is right. And they are compensating as they go for higher Lunar gravity than expected

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Originally posted by zorgon
How can they change plans midstream? Or have they been sending us false data? Something not right here...

Yup! Either a part of the jigsaw puzzle is missing , or it is a classical case of a disconnect between the technical/production and the PR/marketing departments, as is seen in so many organisations.

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Originally posted by zorgon
But hey... nothing to see folks... move along... Zorgon is crazy

OH and BTW the NAVY NRL runs HAARP

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
www.nrl.navy.mil...

[edit on 27-10-2008 by zorgon]

Crazies are frequently the movers and shakers! I will tune in to those things that u mention from time to time so that I could also rank myself among the worthies (read crazies) in the future

Originally posted by mikesingh
If you've outsourced your titanium sheets from China, then all you'll need for a cutter is a pack of Gillette Mach 3 shaving blades!! Lol!

Now now Mikey... play nice... no snubbing China after that long speech you just made.

But seriously I do have the titanium... one sheet is for cutting swords. It was the other half of the one they used for the show at the Excalibur. . Good friend of mine works at Timet

And Matyas keep telling me they are getting close on that drive system



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Its a real shame to hear that the mineral resources have been assigned to three individuals under the auspices of international law.

The heavenly bodies within our solar system should not be owned by any individual or even state. They should be free to visit and their resources should be free to exploit by any entity with the know-how and means to get there.

I suspect this will be the case. Any attempt to enforce this decision will lead to states just ignoring any rulings. After all, what good are earthly sanctions when a single cargoload of Helium-3 can run a country for years at a time!

I certainly hope that a coalition of the most powerful states militarily keeps the moon and its resources free from the grubby mitts of some sly people who filed these cases. International law should not have recognised the claim in the first place, and any individuals or nations who make it to the moon should set up base wherever they feel like it!

Else imagine the implications of having to pay rent to some douchebag for having a base on the moon. No doubt the rates would be astronomical!

reply to post by IAF101


Firstly, I must apologise to the thread owner, because when I placed my comments on your thread,, it was purely my opinion on a current news topic. I didnt post facts, figures, source articles etc,,, because I didnt think it was appropiate to the topic.

What has shocked me though,,, the venom and hate that has come through in many comments.

Everthing has been brought up form colonialism, Iraq. the credit crisis to urine and garbage on the streets of Birmingham!!!

And by the way,,,, cobbled streets are actually really quaint!

Some of the comments made at arent worth my effort replying too.

And some were really rude.

My post was made as a human being passing a comment.

India is a beautiful country with lovely people and I count many among my friends.... but hey.... democracy is about freedom of speech.

To end on a topical note,,,and to those who were particulary horrid,, and you can see who I am replying to.

I give you this link.
www.mailonsunday.co.uk...

Originally posted by patsy22
reply to post by IAF101

 

To end on a topical note,,,and to those who were particulary horrid,, and you can see who I am replying to.

I give you this link.
www.mailonsunday.co.uk...

Dear patsy22,

Whatever muck that we had here in this thread while bringing in the issues related to poverty in India, is in the danger of being taken to an entirely different level with the link you provided.

While it is extremely unfortunate that such an incident occurred, and I was personally very pained (it was headline news in India in all media channels and was, I am sure, heartrending to the majority of the Indian viewers), that link you provided attempts to portray India in a very bad light than is otherwise the case -- such isolated incidents in a country of a billion do, unfortunately, occur now and then. Let me assure you that if you are made aware of the graphic details of the history of the Imperial atrocities on this country, as well as in others under the Rule, you will be horrified and shocked to the extreme.

And, in case you misunderstand my statement, I am NOT trying to provide an excuse for the appalling incident which took place - it still cannot be condoned.

As for your views, they were right from a moral angle, but they missed the larger holistic picture, not least because we do not live in a perfect world.

Your last post is understandably a retort against some of the extreme reactions that you got. Just blank those stuff from your mind and continue as you will and as is your wont -- heck we have so many conspiracies to uncover in our short lifespans.


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How wonderful for India, that is a beautiful ship, and I think regardless of the issues of politics and poverty in their country, the people of India are and should be proud of this achievement.

Here is what I noticed in the articles: The US, NASA, has donated two payloads to look for water and minerals, two quite exploitable resources.

I can't wait to see some pictures!

So does this mean that one day our telemarketing calls will come from the moon?

Originally posted by nrky
So does this mean that one day our telemarketing calls will come from the moon?

Nice one! The time lag will give both parties time to think before they respond.