would other countries help us?

reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


yeah but with those examples you gave no one really knew what was going on in those countries. when hitler was exterminating jews left and right no one else knew. and im pretty shure it was the same with with stalin and lennon. with todays world if something like this ever happend, it would have WORLD coverage in under a day

reply to post by FerTheBetter


No. It wouldn't.

There would be no coverage.

reply to post by TruthTellist


how can you say that there would be no coverage?with the Internet these days and with even cell phones people would know, if something like this were to happen you couldt say that It would get absolutly no coverage

It would get covered but who would in there right mind challenge the US Military. No one, they would sit by and watch because any country that goes against the us is eliminated

Personally, I do not think that any country would not come to help us if we were to have the military turned against us. I would most certainly hope that some countries in this world would come and help us citizens. The one big thing that worries me about that is what if a hostile country comes to help us first only to overthrow us afterwards. I mean, who is it that is one of the first ones to lend aid to countries that need it in time of disaster.

My question is how long will the politicians of other countries debate on whether or not to send us aid? As for the U.S. Government telling other nations not to give aid to us, there is a high probabilty that it will happen. One reason why I say this is not only will the government be suspisious as to who is sending aid, but what kind of aid is being sent here.

Be that as it may, it would not surprise me if no one would send aid because of the way we have treated other governments and people. I'm sorry to say it, but this world is a cruel place.

reply to post by FerTheBetter


The NWO goes far beyond American borders and if genocide is what the NWO has planned I believe you would be hard pressed to find a Nation that would help us out even if they were willing would be unable to lend a hand. The movement against the Illuminati is building but not quick enough. We need action and the will to expose these secret leaders of the world. We should be discussing what we are going to do to end the way things have been and shaping our future and the lives of our children

I didnt see too many other countries or people even coming close to Katrina when all that stuff happened there ...And there was some media coverage .
But we didnt see any at all hardly of the latest event in Galveston and Crystal beach area ...In fact they had a media blackout ...And in both of those situations even all cell use was cut off ....along with electricity (so no internet either)

I believe that would happen especially if martial law was enacted ... ..The Media would be the first ones silenced ..and I am quite sure that the Internet would be shut down along with Cell phones and electricity ...it makes everyone way more vulnerable .....and thats what they would want when something like this came down ..

reply to post by Simplynoone


you could be right, i havent thought of that. shut down the internet and all cell phone towers. completly shut down electricty and we would be left out with nothing

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
all they do is bash us for not wantubg to understand thier pathetic cultures...

Well, I can think of one American that's just had his name crossed off my 'Americans to help' list.

I hope you've been a good boy this year or I'm lending Santa my pen too.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

And meaning? History... I'll give but history is the PAST and has little to do with today...as a a citizen of a nation that Once...a century ago was the largest empire on earth well knows...

Meaning? What does it mean to be British? Or Chinese or Indian?

That your essentially a bit inbred? Follow a series of traditions?


I'm sorry... Americans Make POOR choices lately, personally and in the government...

But lack of a culture... and takeing what works...when USED correctly makes America great...

I can... drink my Tea in the afternoon and drink my wine with dinner, and do sushi for lunch and absorb all the benefits of all those things...

To be ;locked into a specific culture... and set of ways to me would be, a severe limitation no matter how good thiose traditions are, they aren't perfect.

Sadly, I know many of us have recently chose fast food and TV... and some would say that is American culture, but no. It simply nothing more than an education system that was corrupted and in time will repair itself...

lack of what you acribe as meaning to me is merely limitations of history and an inability to innovate

I am sure, in due course Americans like myself will recognize what a relief it is to be unburdened from...silly superstitions, dogma of religion , and forced practice of outdated traditions or limitation on life imposed by... History, Frankly I will through this whole Tragic phase of things, be doing what I can do and what does make America great... I'll be writing MYSTORY not Living in HISTORY

and lol?

Vote?

What the heck am I running for?

Oof! And here I was thinking it couldn't any worse.

What makes you think America is so unique? "To be ;locked into a specific culture... "? Are you insane? What makes you think that the rest of the world is locked into specific cultures? Other than your Big Book of American Stereotypes of course. Your posts here are laughable. What, you don't think anywhere else is capable of 'drinking tea in the afternoon with a sushi lunch and wine with a meal'? How is that something Americans only can do whilst the rest of us are 'locked into' our "pathetic cultures"?

WTF?

reply to post by marsha law


Haha, Lines in the sky that I don't notice? Not laughing at you, just, that's kind of funny.

I'm well aware of what goes on Marsha

I just, like a good driver always look far ahead in my thoughts...

The most I can really do is, be aware and do my best to avoid the pitfalls of what is going on.

And whatever we are falling victim to, the story isn't finished yet.

I don't know of any nation that went to Empire that lasted in that position forever.

Dictators eventually die, conspiracies eventually fall apart.

All I'm saying is, this won't last forever, Sad if America falls for it.

But I as an individual do not have to, nor do I have to be with a bit of luck, victimized by it if I am aware of it... Knowing is 90% of the battle.

It's annoying but... I do my Dry Sauna everyday to purge heavy metals, I do my best to eat organic foods, keep my air filters, exercise regularly, don't use main stream medicines if I have reasons to be suspicous, I work for myself, not for the corporations

Standing up and getting crazy about it will... get me killed, nothing much more I can do, than share my views, speak to people and, find ways to survive and get around it all

and the time will come I do not have to anymore, history tells me that is the way it will be, I'm not going to lead a revolution, independent thought is the revolution

most of what they do to us, is avoidable or controlable... you don't have to be a victim of it

No one makes you Not go into business, no one forces the genetically modified food down your throat... you choose to buy it, there are ways to detox, lots of things we can do, the TV doesn't come on every night at 6:00, just because they want to control the population via abortion and divorce, it doesn't Make you do those things just because they are legal to do.


And

as far as the economy

What exactly is the crisis beyond our own greed and desires?

Lets be very real, keeping a strong family, lots of people in the house... pays the bills no matter what the economy does, less space more LOVE

Food? Eating less leads to a longer lifespan, Eat less, go to one meal a day now, grab that 10 years for your future...

Whats money anyway? Nothing, it doesn't even actually exist, it's not based on anything

reply to post by Merriman Weir


That would be 100% True...

You have every right, in most places to do exactly that...

And certainly, I am not saying that you don't

Just that, most people in most places aren't any better than Americans at, being free of culture and it's limitations.


What I am kind of shouting out against is that...

The rest of the world always encourages America to Define it's culture, just like the rest of the world

and it's a limitation not a help to us, or to anyone else.

An ideal culture would be Dynamic and fluid, not constrained...

Cultures and religions fail by it's own limitations...

When Bruce Lee invented Jeet Kun Do he did not want to give it a name... he felt it gave his style limitations where it was designed to change at will

I would say that cultures die because they impose limits to change...

and if I am wrong please explain why most of the worlds cultures that ever have been are now dead cultures


If YOU, get up in the morning and do Tai Chi and work on the Internet and practice Buddhism and Christianity in tandem and drink Tea at 4:00 and Wine with Dinner...

The YOU as an individual exercise choice and don't really belong to criticize what I am saying, because you are NOT limited to one culture...

But sadly many people are...

and don't want America to define it's culture, it's just a weakness

I would say, the fact hat we have defined our culture, is why we have internal problems right now...people who see their culture undergoing change, can't make that change, even if they wanted to...

and I am not attacking any body of people...

I am American, I don't do anything stereotypical of American culture, what we chose to define our culture is in actuality, allot of it pathetic and lacks age and wisdom...

I pick and choose and define my own culture...

so I have to ask, when people elsewhere rave about their cultures what IS IT they are actually defending? A set of norms, a set of religous beliefs or a Race or combination of those things?


I did not mean to...

sound so put offish back there, just, National pride i the Modern world a shared set of experiences and behaviors with a group of people, just... it's interesting bt it's no step UP from where we currently are.

America whatever mess it is was kind of founded on being different from all of that and eve if we are mucking it up pretty bad right now... it still doesn't change the fact that we are founded on and in principal not meant to have...one religion, one race, one way of eating, one kind of music, one way of life...

and sure, other countries particularly Europe allows for this,

allot of cultures do NOT allow for it...

and None that I can really think of were founded with the intention of being this dynamic ...if right now Americans have lost freedom where in actuality, we no longer posses that dynamism... None of that changes what we were Intended to me, nor says in stone that we will not ride over this and assert it properly yet again...

and the intent was from day one to be multicultural, multi phislisophical,

we wore the term "melting pot" when germany was busy planning the master race, we had freedom of religion when ...those who sought freedom of religion were running from Europe for their lives...

and still, From Africa and The Middle East... and other places, people still run here more than anywhere else for their lives, for a chance at what we are suppossed to be...



You know... it's only been 18 years since the world looked at us mostly as Heroes, we made a wrong turn in here somewhere... true, true indeed

But when the world and it's great history and culture is so ready to condemn us lol, where is that actual sense of history?

Very short time since the biggest fear in Europe was Russia overrunning it and not long before that the biggest fear was Germany, short, short span since it was the USSR gobbling up Europe



We can still turn this around, I expect we will suprise everyone yet

I'm not going to address each and every point here as there would be a lot of repetition.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

That would be 100% True...
You have every right, in most places to do exactly that...

It's not a case of 'having a right', it's just the nature of the modern world. We're all cultural magpies, taking what we perceive as being the best of elsewhere and working it into what already have.

And certainly, I am not saying that you don't

No offence, but you need to read your last few posts on this thread as you appear to do that.

Just that, most people in most places aren't any better than Americans at, being free of culture and it's limitations.

You've done it again.

What I am kind of shouting out against is that...

The rest of the world always encourages America to Define it's culture, just like the rest of the world

I'm not aware of this at all. If anything, I'd say that it's the vociferous patriotism of America - which is unlike any patriotism elsewhere in the Western world - proclaims an identity: I'm American.

I'm not aware of anyone 'encouraging America to define its culture' at all. Seriously, no one. I'd be interested to actually see some of this. Can you point out some legitimate examples on this board, for example?

and if I am wrong please explain why most of the worlds cultures that ever have been are now dead cultures

You are wrong for exactly the opposite of what you claim. These 'dead cultures' appear to become dead because - barring catastrophes &c - they assimilate other cultures and lose the the specific and unique characteristics that acted as signifying 'borders' which could be used as definition. Take the transitions between technology cultures like the Bronze and the Iron Age, people took on the new technology adapted it and moved-on. That's the same with practically every culture that's every existed. These dead cultures are 'snap shots in time'. You're pointing to precise moments in cultural evolution and not acknowledging the actual flow of cultural development.

If YOU, get up in the morning and do Tai Chi and work on the Internet and practice Buddhism and Christianity in tandem and drink Tea at 4:00 and Wine with Dinner...

The YOU as an individual exercise choice and don't really belong to criticize what I am saying, because you are NOT limited to one culture...

But sadly many people are...

Where the hell are these people? Who are these people?

and don't want America to define it's culture, it's just a weakness

Wait a minute, you're changing your argument here. You appeared to be arguing that America shouldn't have to define it's culture and it couldn't anyway because it's not fixed or limited like other "pathetic cultures" but now you're saying "many people"/'the rest of the world' don't want America to define it's culture? You seem to be contradicting your own point here.

so I have to ask, when people elsewhere rave about their cultures what IS IT they are actually defending? A set of norms, a set of religous beliefs or a Race or combination of those things?

When people "rave about their cultures"? It's rare that I actually see any non-American rave about their 'culture' on this board. If anything, I see far more Americans promote their own country and everything that goes with it than any other nation here. Generally, when non-Americans rave about their own culture, it tends to be more about cultural history and influence. Again, don't make the mistake of regarding history as evidence of 'dead' culture though, because cultures very rarely die, they just develop.

America whatever mess it is was kind of founded on being different from all of that and eve if we are mucking it up pretty bad right now...

it still doesn't change the fact that we are founded on and in principal not meant to have...one religion, one race, one way of eating, one kind of music, one way of life...

Heh, nice Utopia you describe there. It's weird, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of black Americans who'd question the idea that America proffers the idea that America is not meant to be about one particular race. Similarly, I hope that you're going to make the same point as you've done here to every American that suggests that Muslims and the Muslim faith aren't American.

and sure, other countries particularly Europe allows for this, allot of cultures do NOT allow for it..

Depending on how you want to define Europe, that's actually a lot of countries and all of them were cherry picking the best of what the world had to offer long before there was an America. In fact, when you remove Europe and America from the globe, what's left of the Western world? Anything?

As far as the rest of the planet, I think you'll find that places like China are very adept at assimilating what the world has to offer. It's been like that since trading started with China. Yes, there were some significant cultural clamp-downs in the past, but China now has extreme cultural diversity. Whilst some areas may seem like something out of the pages of a history book, others are more 'Western' than the 'west' in terms of cultural cross-polinisation.

[edit on 26-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]

reply to post by Merriman Weir


okay lol

for starters I utterly take back use of the word pathetic... let's just strike that, I must have been particularly irritated about something earlier in the week

No culture is pathetic, retracted, and corrected on my part

You bring up a couple of points, yeah allot of African Americans would disagree...

But I am talking about what we have set out to do... not what we have entirely been successful in doing

tough words to say as that same constitution is being piece by piece gutted and I have no denial of that.

It would sound awfully hypocritical right about now... really it does, but it's not like new ways of doing things come in a day

some people like to focus on the hypocritical nature of things that have gone down in America... I don't see the purpose in it...

It is after all a very hard argument to make in light of current situations,

None the less America is a groundbreaking nation in many ways in regards to human rights, freedom and diversity

we can't just, point to the what happened to Native Americans or African Americans in the past, every time we want to critique America, we need to look at the era and what was going on elsewhere in the world at the time.

Was America the first at any or all of these things, no...but collectively our nation by and large stands alone...

despite challenges or troubles, I would say America is by far the most ethnically and culturally diverse nation on Earth...

Critiques made about America would be language... yet, we will soon be the largest Spanish as well as the largest English speaking country in the world

You mention African Americans... weeks before we have what almost assuredly will be our first African American president

Both Sufferage and the ending of slavery were right along side in time line the handful of European countries that made these movements, among the first in the world in this era to offer these rights

It could certainly be argued that In Africa, in many places, in the middle east and even parts of eastern Europe in recent years the rape of women, forced prostitution, limited role allowance and other factors are very ingrained to this very day

We will be he first truly western nation it seems to elect a president who is non caucasian

In the days of ww2, when Racial genocide was practiced in central Europe, In the states Jews, Italians, middle easterners were migrating here

China perhaps and certainly Japan does enjoy the absorption of other cultures, but yet remain racially among the most non inclusive nations on Earth

In China Female babies are still killed

despite the tradgedy of the Natives when we arrived here, right now guesstimates would say there are as many natives alive, as there were at the time of colonization, certainly wouldn't brag about that, but genocide wasn't comited before all was said and done

It could be said that many cities, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Paris and others are as diverse as lets say... NYC, and I would be pressed to say that number by number the only one that in actuality comes close would be London...

But these tend to be singularly largeer trade cities in almost every other nation... In the states you see that break down in Detroit, San franscisco, LA, Atlanta, Miami....

Every major city in the USA practically represents in large numbers people from all faiths from all over the world, I don't believe this can truly be said of any other nation

and YES, some of us don't like it..it can lol get pretty taxing... but somehow we have gotten it doen with out major incident since the civil war... In the same time span we have seen Europe explode with national and racial lines, The mid east is embroiled in a culture clash of ...centuries, Asia in noninclusive mainly and Genocide seems to happen regularly in Africa

and whatever we screw up... and are at risk for now

It doesn't change that our heritage is one of...

"all men are created equal"

and

"give us your tired your poor your huddled masses"

We have not yet...walked the dark road... not truly, there is plenty of hope for us still, to avoid the pitfalls so many others have fallen into

It is after all as they say, always darkest before the dawn, I think what we are looking at here in the states is...a struggle that inevitable will go the right way and i think we will get through it without any national bloodshed and we will adapt, the make up of America is changing and many resist that change and others ...do indeed challenge that.

But we were founded on a set of principals, and NO those principals have not yet fully come to fruition... we all know that

I just see no need to focus on the negative and look at what we have accomplished and where we are headed

So why haven't we made the transformation... why hasn't America lived up to the promise of freedom... why?

I would offer, fear as the answer, like some people freeze up and self destruct in terms of making money... fear of whats next, because much of the world hasn't followed this path, Africa in many places is scary, China is still all Chinese, The Middle East is extremely Islamic and Mainly Islamic only

and Europeans are kind of caught in between believing in this kind of openness but some there still fear it too

I would look to sci fi for the real reason... for what is feared

The ever present story of the Culture that has achieved peace and tranquility... and then the turds come over the hill and kill them all because they are too evolved to fight back...

It's scary to make the last steps... to achieve what we were founded in principal and belief to do...

But... you can't just look at the failures... but look at the road itself that we embarked on and where it is supposed to lead and how many have followed

Just because the journey isn't complete...or we take a wrong turn sometimes, simply doesn't change the destination we are heading

just remember, help offered usually comes with strings attached, and well, since this is the way the US has been doing business for a long time, I wouldn't expect anything less from those offering help...

kind of would hope we would be allowed to take care of our mess ourselves, thank you....

but.....like someone's stated, we're being made out to be the scapegoats....and I think that is working grandly....I'm expecting more in the line of sanctions and international pressure on countries not to help us.
in short, expect our forclosed home to be occupied by the world's unwanteds....our military to be stipped of it's technology, our economy to be isolated, and well....that might be closer to the real deal?

I'm not aware of anyone 'encouraging America to define its culture' at all. Seriously, no one. I'd be interested to actually see some of this. Can you point out some legitimate examples on this board, for example?

Define it's culture...perhaps not the perfect words

To, express this properly, I would say, I perceive a constant assault on American culture

"americans have no culture"

"america is a young nation"

"americans have hardly any history"

there is also a constant perception expressed that our art forms are not original, we are defined only by McDonalds and our media pressence

and really that is only part of America

I would say, being the refugees of so many nations we have the culture of many nations, we might struggle with it and some oppose it... but internally we are in part a Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist, Wiccan, Hindu.... etc, etc Nation, we are Irish, Italian, African, Hebrew, iranian, Native American and a whole lot more...

it seems that the "springer sect" and the coca cola and Mcdonalds corporate empires dominate world opinion of us...(by and large our own fault)

That the voice, the represents our media, and it's desire to appeal to the higest bidder, convinces not only the world but ourselves as well, that we are something that in actuality we are not

"where are these people?" I am not sure to which you refer... to those who, are wonderful cross cultural and and exist in a world of limitless advancement, or to those who, live in trailers and never go more than 10 blocks from their home?

Both are realities... I would say there are 2 Americas...

and that the real divide in our nation is Poverty vs Wealthy, with the wealthy or those who will one day be wealthy living one life and the rest another

and that perhaps, that s the real battle that is being waged right now...

I just don't think either side has the answer as of yet. It's not socialism nor is it "let them eat cake"



And this is kind of what I see... America is the proverbial Elephant being described by the 3 Blind men... and this is why, we have such a prominent media, we struggle also to...understand ourselves

and there is No America

an attempt to define ourselves will always divide us, attempting to present a common face is a negative for us...

I think what I am saying is people want life to be easy, the question What is America is often asked i hear it in here daily, we are facist, we are socialist, we are capitalist, we are hypocrits, we are fundamentalists, we are thug culture...

The debate of what America is rages, every day here in in that, is the proof i offer to say the rest of the world stuggles to understands us, fears what they don't understand...

people say all the time... Europe was open before we were and I think you alluded to it above, to that I have to say when and how lol, when Hitler was killing Jews and Gypsies, during the recent ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe? When the Pilgrims for all intents and purposes ran for their lives, during the struggles in Ireland?

It's almost 150 years, since we had a genuine battle over these sorts of issues on this continent and...every step, we internal have resolved our differences peaceful with moderate protest and democracy

There is no continent but ours, that can show that track record...

I would cite London as one of if not the most diverse city in europe

In the 2001 census, 71.15% of these seven and a half million people classed their ethnic group as white (classified as White British (59.79%), White Irish (3.07%) or "Other White" (8.29%)), 12.09% as Indian (mainly Punjabi, Hindi & Gujarati), Pakistani, Bangladeshi (Bengali), Tamils (mostly Sri Lankan Tamil along with a significant number of Indian Tamil and Malaysian Tamil and "Other Asian" (mostly Arab and other South Asian ethnicities), 10.91% as Black (5.28% as Black African, 4.79% as Black Caribbean, 0.84% as "Other Black"), 3.15% as mixed race, 1.12% as Chinese and 1.58% as other (mostly Filipino, Japanese, and Vietnamese). The Irish are the largest foreign-born group in London (numbering approximately 200,000).

71.5% white and of the isles almost fully 3/4 and every person from England raves about diversity, I have one buddy from England who lives here now who swear for whatever reason England is the most culturally diverse city in the world

now NYC

New York City is exceptionally diverse. Throughout its history the city has been a major point of entry for immigrants; the term "melting pot" was first coined to describe densely populated immigrant neighborhoods on the Lower East Side. 36% of the city's population is foreign-born.[2] Among US cities, this proportion is higher only in Los Angeles and Miami.[7] While the immigrant communities in those cities are dominated by a few nationalities, in New York no single country or region of origin dominates. The ten nations constituting the largest sources of modern immigration to New York City are the Dominican Republic, China, Jamaica, Guyana, Mexico, Ecuador, Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago, Colombia, and Russia.[8] About 170 languages are spoken in the city.[1]

As of the 2000 census, The New York metropolitan area is home to 3,372,512 Italians making them the largest white group in New York. The New York metropolitan area is home to the largest number of Jews outside Israel. There are more Jews within New York City limits than within Jerusalem city limits, making the New York City Jewish community the largest such community in the world. About 12% of New Yorkers claim to be Jewish or of Jewish descent.[9] New York is also home to nearly a quarter of the nation's South Asians,[10] and the largest African American community of any city in the country.

According to the 2006 American Community Survey 43.9% of New Yorkers were white, 34.8% white non-hispanic and 9.1% white hispanic. 25.1% of the population was black or African American, 11.7% was Asian and 0.3% were American Indian. Another 17% belonged to other racial categories and 2.0% of New Yorkers identified themselves as belonging to more than one race. 27.6% were Hispanic or Latino of any race

NYC less than half caucasian and LA and Miami have an even lower ratio...

170 Languages spoken regularly, in one city.

And yet...

We aren't at war with each other, but we got involved in WW2, over al this stuff, we had to do something in Kuwait against saddam, Pearl harbor was bombed... even our worst tragedy the native population, there are more natives alive now, than when Europeans first arrived

So judge us by the face of the media or an administration...

look at us as the three blind men look at an elephant

But every day we are an inch away from realizing the dream America was founded on...

and it's our involvement in the old world that ...makes us fear it being a reality


But the reality, I grew up, surrounded by more culture than any one in any city on Earth ever possibly could have anywhere in the world

Yet Americans are called cultureless

and... I have to say, if my upbringing was cultureless, look at those demographics again... and tell me where it is on earth you can find that but America, in peace, not fighting almost zero conflict aside from an occasional jerk of a cop or some kids fighting in the street...

To simplify all of the above (gosh I get long winded lol sorry)

How can I listen to all what is aid about America, and judge this country on a current difficult that revolves around being dragged into the affairs of the old world.

People argue so vehemently as to what we are as Americans... and the injustice and the horrible racial issues lol...

I grew up in a city that was 43 percent white, lived as a minority with 170 languages spoken around me, the United nations was in my line of sight, I went to a HS that was a school of performing arts and half the students were openly Gay and accepted, my peers were very often the children of those dignitaries from around the world that worked at the UN, My temple was next door to a mosque, there was never a fight

2 other cities have a greater ethnic breakdown than NYC...lol


Almost everyone of us... ran for our lives, from overseas at some point in the last couple hundred years, even if our govt made bad choices it's the Wars of the Old World we are involved in and the politics of the Old world we face off with

Nada, almost zero conflict in 150 years on our soil

People say Christian fundamentalists but... I can laugh out loud at them here and get away with it..say that about the Middle East

It's just AMAZING, Unreal what we have actually done in America


I'm sorry but...where else? We aren't living day by day piece by piece corrected mistake after corrected mistake exactly what our founding fathers intended for this place to be?

How can One crummy administration and lol, the media tarnish the reality of what we have actually accomplished here so badly? In light of the incredible reality?

I will not be "Helping America" - I may help the odd American, butI'm not going out of my way to do it... Not anymore.

I won't even travel to America, that is how scared I am of their Gestapo: the HSD. I don't want to disappear and be tortured for the rest of my life by psychotic American soldiers handpicked for the job. Bush authorized via John Yoo the torture-rape and mutilation of children's genitalia as a method of 'Advanced Interrogation" in front of their parents - so as to better 'persuade' them to reveal pertinent Data. It is so sick. This Truth is more horrible than anything.

I don't want to go to any country that does that. It could happen to anyone, and no one would ever know. People would just think I went missing. Nazi Germany didn't even have the courage to advertise their Evil the way NeoCon America does.

Unfortunately for Americans, the rest of the world is well aware of what has become of America. Many people will choose not to help. Most won't be in a position to do so anyways.

Even with a new president, the Patriot Act 1&2 , NSPDD-51, Homeland Security and all the rights lost due to "anti-terror" polices will not be changed - they will all be in effect....they are now Law.


[edit on 26-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
No of course not

We are the only idiots that run around spending our money and lives on the rest of the world, no one else does a damn thing except atack other places...

This comment is grossly insulting, disrespectful and ignorant. I'm surprised nobody called you on it yet.

I'm having trouble imagining where such ignorance could come from. Is it your media? Does it not report anything from outside your borders that doesn't directly impact US interests? Is it your education system? Does it teach you that America is great and that the rest of the world is a horrible place? Is it your competition-driven culture that teaches you that being number 1 is all that counts and that nobody else is worthy of paying any attention to?

Back on topic: look at what happened after Katrina. Halve the world was ready to offer aid but the US government told us to mind our own business and we did. I believe 95% of the pledged money and supplies were rejected. We did not go against your governments wishes and airdrop supplies anyway, thinking we're somehow better at running your country than your own democratically elected government is.

I believe a similar scenario would unfold following any sort of government vs people scenario. There'll be Americans supporting the government and Americans fighting it. Does the rest of the world have to pick a side in an internal matter? We might send negotiators to forge a truce but that's it. The rest of the world is nowhere near organized enough to take on the US government on its own homeland anyway, nor should it be. Americans should run the US in whatever way they see fit. No one else has any right to decide which side is right for you.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

None the less America is a groundbreaking nation in many ways in regards to human rights, freedom and diversity

Really? Compared to who, exactly?

we can't just, point to the what happened to Native Americans or African Americans in the past, every time we want to critique America, we need to look at the era and what was going on elsewhere in the world at the time.

Why not? Because it doesn't suit your argument? Why can't I say the similar about British history: 'er no, don't focus on that; focus on this bit instead'.

Was America the first at any or all of these things, no...but collectively our nation by and large stands alone...

See, again you're contradicting yourself. First, you describe America as groundbreaking, then you point out that America wasn't "the first at any or all of these things". Which is it?

despite challenges or troubles, I would say America is by far the most ethnically and culturally diverse nation on Earth...

But how much of that is due to the size of the place and the size of the population as opposed to anything specifically American?

You mention African Americans... weeks before we have what almost assuredly will be our first African American president

And only decades after you had to have a civil rights movement because black Americans were treated so badly. That's hardly ancient history. Also, look at the tension it's causing. If this forum is indicative of the American population, there's a lot of Americans who are under the impression that, if Obama wins, he'll be assassinated because of his colour! I'll point out that we had a woman Prime Minister back in 1979 and other European countries have had female leaders too.

Both Sufferage and the ending of slavery were right along side in time line the handful of European countries that made these movements, among the first in the world in this era to offer these rights

And again, what about those European countries you mention. You're describing an America that is 'equal to' rather than 'better' here and doesn't really support your general argument that America is the 'best' at this.

In the days of ww2, when Racial genocide was practiced in central Europe, In the states Jews, Italians, middle easterners were migrating here

Again, Britain has had waves of immigration before there was an America. We still do. A lot of immigrants travel through the rest of Europe to get to this island. You're not unique in this. I was under the impression that America's biggest immigrant population are their land neighbours, Mexico.

Also, regarding post-World War II immigration, I'm not sure how helpful that is as a comparison to other countries as a lot of countries, Britain included, took massive damage to the cities. It's hardly surprising that there were migrants that chose to go to America!

It could be said that many cities, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Paris and others are as diverse as lets say... NYC, and I would be pressed to say that number by number the only one that in actuality comes close would be London... But these tend to be singularly largeer trade cities in almost every other nation... In the states you see that break down in Detroit, San franscisco, LA, Atlanta, Miami....

I'm not so sure about this. Again, I think this is down to the size of America, rather than anything peculiar to America. That's not culture, that's geography! As you've pointed out, when non-American cities get big enough, they also have that scale of diversity. I think you'd actually be surprised at the diversity of much of Britain, not just London. I'd hedge a bet that the actual difference is the scale, rather than the actual diversity.

Every major city in the USA practically represents in large numbers people from all faiths from all over the world, I don't believe this can truly be said of any other nation

Again, it's a numbers thing.

Compared to American towns, my own town is small but there's a large Muslim Asian population (like a lot of Northern towns and cities) and there's also Sikhs and Hindus. Likewise there's Eastern Europeans - there's been a Ukranian community here for over a 100 years - there's Poles, Czechs and Hungarians. Like a lot of towns near Manchester and Liverpool, there's always been an Irish community. There's lots of Chinese. There's a Francophone Africans and there's people from JA/Carribean. There's immigrants from the Bosnia/Kosova conflict. There's loads of diversity here and this is a small town.

Here's a test for American diversity and tolerance. How do you treat socialists and communists in your country?

[edit on 26-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]