What turns the police from friend to enemy?

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by badmedia

 

The greatest erossion of our rights have happened since the passage of that rag of a bill for homeland security. Many of the classes law enforcement sign up for are nothing more than an assault of scare tactics on their minds. Legislators and D.A's program law enforcement to instill fear into all of us. Make us affraid so we are willing to cooperate, and when we don't cooperate the big military weapons come out. Microwave technology...I wander who's idea it was to cook us when were are exercising our rights to assemble.

Going to have to disagree here a bit. You are right in what you say, but I'd have to say the biggest loss of rights came when the constitution became a document of limited rights, rather than a document of limited government. That is when we lost most of our rights IMO. We went from anything that was not listed specifically in the constitutions as being our rights, to being reduced to only those listed rights.

When the constitution was created, there were 2 arguments for the bill of rights. Some people didn't want to list the rights at all. They feared that if we listed specific rights, the people would one day be reduced to only those rights. The other side of the argument felt it was needed to list the most basic rights, to insure those were never infringed on. The compromise was to add the 9th and 10th amendments to the bill of rights.

The 9th amendment says that you can not add laws or amendments which infringe on a previous given right. And the 10th amendment says that anything which is not specifically listed as a job for the federal government is by default given to the states on down to the individual(when a state doesn't pick it up).

So IMO, the biggest loss of rights came when the 10th amendment was ignored, and government started to do things which aren't specifically listed, and reduced us to only those basic rights.

But you are right in that now even those basic limited rights have been infringed on in the past few years more than ever.

Since you brought it up; I was driving my Porche in Beverly Hills, and honked at a parent stopped in a no stopping lane to pick up her kid at school. I then proceeded thru a changing light, not red. But I got pulled over for running a red. I fought it in court; the judge refuse to accept or even look at my evidence, but backed the cop up, because he is always right. My car broke a belt, I walked to the store to buy a small wrench to change that belt. While wallking past an apartment building full of mexican gang-bangers, I was attacked. I called the police with my cell phone, while lying bleeding. They did not come. I walked home and called again. The MEXICAN cop got there one hour later, and threatened to arrest ME for causing a disturbance! I called his super out, and HE told me that mexican cop was well trained. Yea, right, so why did he ignore his training, and why does that action make him a good cop? Another time, I was making a left hand turn in Hollywood, and some chump cut me off, pulling in front of me. I honked. He got out of his car, walked back to my open window, and punched me in the face. I got out, and while going towards him, some hugemonster from the bus bench grabbed me from behind while my attacker was about to wack my face. I kicked him with both boots in the stomach, end of his fighting. Then I took one boot on the down motion, down his chins and ground it into his foot, like I was taught. He let go, after 'helping' me. I promptly called the cops. They threatened, once again, to arrest ME, the victim again! Last year, I was at Ground Zero in the San Diego Firestorm, and my house torched. I was at the Center for the victims, for about five hours, and had a lot of stuff. I took one load out to the car, of the MREs, and went back for the other. Six gangsters pretending to be law enforcement, standing around looking official and doing nothing, and they stopped me from getting the rest of my stuff. 'We're closed, come back tomorrow.' I told them that I had vouchers, paperwork, and a cell phone in there, and it was chock full of illegal immigrants, so if I came back tomorrow, an hour drive, that it would all be gone. Nope, come back tomorrow. Well I know that if you are opposing the action of an officer, you have the right to talk to a supervisor right then and there. By law. So I demanded that. Nope. Come back tomorrow. I was incensed. He told me to just go down to the station. I went back to my car and called 911. When they heard that the problem was police, they hung up on me. So I walked back, and right past them talking, to go get my stuff. 'STOP! If you go in there, we will arrest you! What do you think you're doing? Where you going?' 'I'm just going in to get my stuff.' 'If you go in, we are going to arrest you!' I stuck my hands together and out in front of me. 'ARREST ME! I am a member of the Screen Actors Guild, and I guarantee you, I will have your name and picture all over the internet, and on newspapers as the bad guys oppressing the fire victims! Please, ARREST ME!' He backed down real fast, 'uh, what does your stuff look like?' He went to get it, and another volunteer came over to ask what was happening. I explained, she went in and came back with it. I then drove to that office, and they were closed for three days. Like that stinking gangbanger didn't know. On Monday, I returned, and talked to the Sergent. He was very diplomatic, took my complaint down, and end of story. Report probably in circular file. Two weeks later, I returned to find out what was happening. Nothing, but I said I wanted to report to Internal Affairs. 'OH OH. Hold on.' He ran in back to get the form. 'Fill this out, and mail it to this address.'. Then THEY, also corrupt gangbangers, sent me a letter telling me that I had no case, and they were dropping it. And they made up some stuff that I had not said. So yesterday, I talked to the DAs office, and will pursue it further that way. I don't want any money, I just want those gangbangers to be replaced with law enforcement officers. Probably won't happen, but I can make their lives interesting.

reply to post by Gregarious


You were probably pulled in Beverly Hills because you weren't driving the proper Porsche model. I believe that nothing less than a 911 turbo will be tolerated there. The 914 or 924 just won't cut it.

If George Bush directly told a pilot to drop a nuke on new york, it would happen.
The pilot would possibly be hard to find, but they'd just be following their orders.

Police have orders too, not so regimental as the military but they must follow them; they have families to feed.. mortgages to pay.

Sorry if I went off topic.
My point is that your typical nice-guy cop may be nice if he pulls you over for speeding.. but if you met him in a riot he may not be so nice.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by WishForWings]

reply to post by badmedia


Your correct in your interpretation of the tenth amendment, court decsions have swung in the direction of limited state rights, but even when states exercise the will of the people for instance with the drug laws the feds come along and strangle the state with lack of federal funding in order to have their way. Speed limit, seat belt, open container, there are many examples of how the feds push an agenda. The patriot act put the nail in the coffin of many amendments.

Oh, and the laws for speed, seat-belts, and helmets? Taxation. The people who pretend to be law enforcement are really just tax collectors for the city, and they are rewarded based on how many tax tickets they issue. I've said this before, I'll say it again. Our Federal, state, county, and local government budgets are 75% of the Gross National Product. So how much is our tax really? A tax by any other name, is still a tax. A cop by any other name is still a tax collector, plain and simple. All these 'reality' shows about cops on the street? As if the cops don't modify their behavior when they are on film! Oh, that 75% taxation doesn't just come from the cop/tax collectors. It is also fines, penalties, user fees, and all kinds of other hidden taxes, like inflation. And they are NOT hated because they are 'authorities'. I respect and value the law. We have an incredible treasure house of law and the system itself is incredible. But it is no longer of any relevance. The entire legal system is above the law, but because it is hidden, not blatent, they have to occasionally 'catch' one of their own, to preserve the illusion of justice. If you are a patriot, you willl oppose these despots, and try to restore the Constitution, and our RIGHTS, not our concessions that were withdrawn, and enforced by the police. Personally, all these revelations were a bit of a shock to me. I was raised a Pastors Kid, and learned to respect and honor our police, our firemen, and our military. And of course our 'Representatives'. I really don't think there is time left to fight this crap, or restore what is gone. I believe that soon a world crisis will emerge, and the governments of the world will mostly, not all, but mostly turn over their powers to one man, a prince, probably Prince Charles. My desire now is to just lay low, off the radar, out of trouble and out of sight. That is all that anyone can do.

Originally posted by WishForWings
If George Bush directly told a pilot to drop a nuke on new york, it would happen.
The pilot would possibly be hard to find, but they'd just be following their orders.

Police have orders too, not so regimental as the military but they must follow them; they have families to feed.. mortgages to pay.

Sorry if I went off topic.
My point is that your typical nice-guy cop may be nice if he pulls you over for speeding.. but if you met him in a riot he may not be so nice.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by WishForWings]

First of all, reguarding the nuke. That is not so unrealistic, ever since the government 'disappeared' one of six missing nukes in this last year. Over HALF the budget is BLACK, meaning we are being taxed with zero accountability for that, so they can use to to buy million dolllar toilet seats from their cousins, or pull other jobs like 'the Big Event'/their assasination of JFK. How did they get the money to put in computer controlled demolitions into the WTC? Black budget!
Second, pull me over for speeding? I used to be really diligent about the speed laws, until I kept getting pulled over anyways, and written up for what had not occurred. Now I just try to avoid them, and I still want to follow the traffic laws, but in SPITE of the police actions. It is the right thing to do, and no cop is going to force me to do otherwise. And now, when I have any encounters with these 'law enforcement' actors? I act like I am totally respectful, and subservient, and will do what ever they want. And yet they still **** on me. I now drive a Toyota, white, and I have a Marine bumper sticker, a bumper sticker that guns don't kill people, drivers on cell phones do, and a firemans sticker. I have a AAA, and a Prepaid Legal sticker on my window, so they know I am represented if they write me anything. I keep a Bible on the passenger seat, and sometimes a baby seat in the back, tho I have no kids. All an act, just like them, but I am better at it. Since I began all this, no tickets, no being pulled over at all. And totally dishonerable to this country that I must do this. Oh, I forgot one. Not a cop, but the security head at the US Embassy in Manila. And the former Ambassador. The Filipino working for them demanded a bribe, so I went to security to ask for a bug. He was incensed that I had the audacity to ask for help with getting proof, when I actually had no proof! The embassy refuse to do their legal obligation, and I wrote a letter, hand delivered to the Ambassadors' office (he was in Washington, and only a Marine out front). When I got home, I mailed him a copy of that letter. He got it. No response. Doesnt' care about one of their stupid slaves, like me.
After my house burned down, I got some money from FEMA, and bought an RV which I am in now. When I was hooking up the electrical to the grid, it caught fire, and did major damage. One year later, I am still trying to get it fixed. The 'churches', even 'my' church, did nothing post fire. I have not returned, as they apparently don't practice what they preach. The Billy Graham group came by, and gave me a small New Testament, and prayed for me to be well, and be fed. Only the Budhists actually helped me any. I'm a Christian, and that was dishonoring to the Lord. This is now all old news, and noone really gives a crap. Last winter, I was in a cold wet tent pre RV, and then a cold RV with no heat. This winter I hope to have the heat fixed by then. Then I have to figure out what to do about building a house.

Originally posted by Evil Doer


Has that cop verified that the speed limit is legal?

I'm pretty sure speed limits are legal.

Originally posted by Evil Doer
A cop of integrity IMO, is a cop that refuses to enforce unconstitutional laws, regardless of what some idiots in black robes think.

Name which laws are unconstitutional.

Originally posted by Evil Doer


Drug laws are unconstitutional. The federal government has no authority to regulate what a private individual may do to his or her own body.

And there's no law saying that you can't take or use drugs. You don't get arrested because you're high (unless operating a motor vehicle or causing a disturbance, of course), you get arrested because you possess drugs.

Originally posted by Evil Doer
A large number of speed limits in this nation are in fact illegal, as they have not been determined by legal means.

I'm sure you know this because you have an immense amount of experience in the law field?

Originally posted by badmedia


Hello - victimless crimes. And of course, you completely ignore what I posted, and then post something that has victims.

Well name me some victimless crimes.

Originally posted by badmedia

The US has the biggest prison system in the world(so much for free country), and the majority of them are in there for victimless crimes.

Well, because in other countries they just flat out execute the criminal instead of letting them stay alive in prison. I'm all for that by the way - let's just kill child molesters and rapists instead of letting them live in prison.

Originally posted by badmedia

Once again you ignore the issue and look for justification. In fact, that is all you have done in your entire post.

I know you do!

Originally posted by badmedia

Tell me, what year were drugs made illegal?

www.druglibrary.org...

Well I'll be darned - there's been drug laws since the 1600's!

Originally posted by keeb333


How can there be "justice" when the people have no input into the law making process? Oh, sure, call your senator and representative and see how helpful they are! You'll get a form response, if one at all, repeating the party line on whatever the issue is.

Surprisingly, "the people" really can get laws changed in this country if they try. But most Americans are simply too lazy, or give up before trying because they think they can't get laws changed. Admitting defeat before even giving it a shot. Like you, judging by your post.

Originally posted by dave420
I'm always polite with cops, so by your logic, I should have never, ever met a cop who was mean to me. But I have, so clearly your logic is falling a bit short.

I have a feeling this is whaty ou mean by "I'm polite with the cops."



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Originally posted by Gregarious
Since you brought it up; I was driving my Porche in Beverly Hills

I'm sure you were.

Originally posted by Kwapp

Originally posted by badmedia

Tell me, what year were drugs made illegal?

www.druglibrary.org...

Well I'll be darned - there's been drug laws since the 1600's!

Did you even read your own link? I don't see how you could have, because the only law in the 1600 is they have to grow hemp for sails. The first time anything is made illegal is in 1845, which only outlawed the SALE of alcohol in NY. It is then repealed in 1847.

The first marijuana law was a tax law in 1937.

Thanks for the link, sorry that it proved you wrong.

reply to post by Kwapp


Still going around misrepresenting anyone's argument huh? The guy must have been rude(as if that is a valid excuse). And the guy obviously can't have the car he claims?

You pretty much fit the bad attitude and dumbness people talk about when it comes to cops. Stereotype everyone, and use the power for your own biases.

I guess if they aren't kissing your butt, and "respecting your authority", they deserve what they got in your opinion.

Disgusting and the true attitude of a "demon".

[edit on 21-10-2008 by badmedia]

reply to post by badmedia


*crickets*

Originally posted by SweetRevenge
With all the respect in the world Kwapp, I'm continuing with Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement. In all honesty, I've never felt so drawn to something and it's the only thing propelling me through college.

Fine, go ahead. I just hope you realize that when you take that Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution, you also take a good, hard look at the difference between the "laws" they want you to enforce & the Constitution you swear to uphold.

The real "key" to knowing the difference is that you also need to be aware of the precise terminology that's legislated into law...The law-makers re-define common-use words into a precise definition. For example, we do have the Right to Travel Freely (which means no requirements for registering & licensing the cars & people who use them & immunity to certain regulations) as upheld in federal District Courts in more than 100 cases across the nation.

You see, all of those DMV & DoT regulations are designed for one purpose only...To regulate commercial traffic on public roads. The average, private citizen who is not engaged in any commercial or government-official business is totally exempt from all of the traffic regulations that your precinct is charged to enforce. In short, the law is written to regulate commercial traffic but has been illegally enforced to affect private citizens as well.

This is just one small example of how Statutory laws (which are written for the same purposes) have been enforced over Common Law, which is what governs over private citizens...That's right, they will want you to violate the very same Constitution that you swear an Oath to uphold! I suggest that you take a look at this thread for a lot of good examples on how the very same laws you will be enforcing have been twisted against justice & the citizens you seek to "protect & serve."

You must also be very wary on your precise jurisdiction too...Over here, you can get some good idea about being careful with the precise jurisdictions that you will be required to enforce as well. There's not much useful info in the beginning of this thread, mostly about the various banners & flags that are displayed in courtrooms...But later on there's solid info about meaning & practice of Admiralty jurisdiction & what it's not supposed to do.

When you take that Oath of Office, swearing to uphold the Constitution means that your loyalties & authority goes to the Constitution & the Common Law jurisdiction...All other laws & Statutes are secondary & not legally enforceable if doing so violates Common Law.

Originally posted by E-ville
OK as a police officer here are a few subjects:

Seat belt laws.

How come the state can mandate I use a seat belt, when the only person that will loose anything from the situation is me the non seat belt wearing person.

Seat belt laws in my opinion are absurd, if I cant make a educated risk assessment for myself then just how free am I?

What about the ambulance, fire and police crews who have to attend the road side to search for your limbs on the road and the images they're left with at the end of their shift? Also what about the innocent person who needs an ambulance but there isnt one available because they're attending to the person who couldn't be bothered to put a seat belt on.I really dont understand people who take exception to wearing a seat belt, you'd wear the safety harness on a rollercoaster to avoid injury so why not in a car?

Originally posted by onetruesaxon

What about the ambulance, fire and police crews who have to attend the road side to search for your limbs on the road and the images they're left with at the end of their shift? Also what about the innocent person who needs an ambulance but there isnt one available because they're attending to the person who couldn't be bothered to put a seat belt on.I really dont understand people who take exception to wearing a seat belt, you'd wear the safety harness on a rollercoaster to avoid injury so why not in a car?

It's all about "sticking it to the man"!

They gotta exercise their constitutional freedoms, you know.

Ok Kwapp, I've enjoyed your humor, and my bro in law is a cop, so I can kinda see it from the inside. What I'd like to ask about is "Professional Courtesy" and why you guys need to be cops 24/7.

Let me give you a first hand story about Professional Courtesy.....

My bro in law (the cop) and wife split up 2 yrs ago. He drinks like a fish. She thinks she's done with it. She moves out. They continue to see one another. One night, she won't take his calls, he decides to go see her. He heads out for her place, drunk as a skunk, with a loaded 45 on the seat beside him. He gets pulled over by local law enforcement for "erratic driving" Did I mention his oxy-contin problem? What happens next????

The coppers drive him, gun and all to his destination! 2 cops in the car. One is his chauffeur, the other DRIVES HIS VEHICLE TO THE SEPARATED WIFES HOUSE.

WTF is up with that?????

AND why, oh why, can't you guys be around someone who is smokin pot, not goin anywhere, not drivin' , just stayin home eatin' oreos?????

I'd like to think better of law enforcement, but MAN dude! Please help me out here!!!!!