My UK Friends, Freedom Not Fear

Originally posted by GodForbid

So if you're a normal person with nothing to hide, you really have nothing to worry about. If they have access to your phone calls and conversations, it really doesn't matter, because they can't possibly monitor them all anyway, it'd be like winning the lottery if they actually pick you out.

Also, if you've not planning terrorist attacks, massive drug runs, or whatever. Then why do you care anyway? I don't care if someone wants to listen to me phone me Nan and see how she is or if she needs something from the shop. I have nothing to hide.

What is the problem?

Ah, that old chestnut. "If you have nothing to hide..."

Well I have plenty to hide, namely my privacy. You may love telling the whole world what you watched on the idiot box last night. You might even take some strange pleasure from sharing intimate spousal moments with complete strangers. I do not. My dignity and privacy are paramount. This is non-negotiable.

You guys in the UK must fight these dictatorial gits,man if not then the rest of Europe will just roll over for the NWO.Winston Churchill did not intend for y'all to be slaves to a bunch of neo-nazi wankers!!!!

[edit on 20-10-2008 by mike dangerously]

Originally posted by Nirgal
You may love telling the whole world what you watched on the idiot box last night. You might even take some strange pleasure from sharing intimate spousal moments with complete strangers. I do not. My dignity and privacy are paramount. This is non-negotiable.

If you think that TPTB intend to rule the world so they can monitor your sex life and televisual experience then you are seriously deluded!

Yeah. I can see it now. 10 Downing Street, the whole cabinet hunched over speeding fists watching the populous get it on!

Yes as someone already pointed out, we are not talking about them being able to listen to you talking to your wife about whats for dinner. We are talking about personal and private information.


Governments and other organizations collect vast amounts of personal information for a variety of purposes. The law of privacy limits how these organizations can collect and use this information.

As a member of the European Convention on Human Rights, the United Kingdom adheres to Article 8 ECHR, which guarantees a "right to respect for privacy and family life"

* Health privacy laws
* Financial privacy laws
* Online privacy laws
* Communication privacy laws
* Information privacy

reply to post by skibtz


Resorting to ridicule to discredit an argument is pretty bad form (IMHO).

I was citing two examples to illustrate a point. The corollary of being able to monitor anything is that it is possible to monitor everything.

Originally posted by Nirgal

Originally posted by lightchild

I won't even vote; that's supposed to be anonymous but I can tell you from experience it is not. I'm probably already on their list of "potential subversives".

In agreement here with you on this. I live in North Ireland. I don't vote, never have. I don't belong to any religious affiliation and have zero input to my own country's system of politics. Believe ours is as rife with corruption as everybody's is on Earth. My beloved Island has torn itself to pieces over religions & politics....

Voting never ended the violence here in Ireland. NO, it has not gone away, merely shifts in the power and control of it, by those that should not have that power, and NO, I don't ever see it going away.

My non-vote is statement of my non belief in anything that comes out of a politicians mouth anymore. Be it home, the UK the USA or anywhere for that matter I just cant have faith in these so called systems of democracy anymore. Its seems to be a cancer that has infected the whole system.

I cannot bring myself to vote for a party & system and politics that is cancerous to its people, as I could vote on having a tumor implant. Sorry. I just don't see any good candidates, so why should I bother voting in the first place.

I will vote when there is a fundamental change in political governing. Something like what the American constitution was SUPPOSED to stand for. Ruled by the people for the people. ....I can dream cant I

..zzzzzzzzzz

Just my 2cts
Peace people
Kirky

[edit on 20-10-2008 by kirky]

[edit on 20-10-2008 by kirky]

What a GREAT THREAD!!

This has been happening for a while and the people seem not to care less. The police can now see every corner and hear all conversations while you walk on the street. They can even talk to people from these systems. This has been masked by saying its all for the peoples good and to protect them.

All news broadcasts are depressing, bleak and rely information that will make the public more easy to control through playing with their emotions. The British Brainwashing Channel (BBC) are true experts in this type of controlled information.

It is time for the British Isle Sheeple to wake up and take a stand against Gordon"Bull****"Brown and his NWO agenda!!

Originally posted by Nirgal
Resorting to ridicule to discredit an argument is pretty bad form (IMHO).

C'mon, lighten up ffs, it was a bit of humour - sorry if it offended you!

I was citing two examples to illustrate a point. The corollary of being able to monitor anything is that it is possible to monitor everything.

Can you give me two other examples out of the 'everything' pot please?

My problem is that I do not know what it is that TPTB can do with my info that is so detrimental to me.

I am not being sarcastic here btw, I really would like to know what it is that TPTB would like to be doing with me!

Hi There,

It really is disappointing, that due to my (and other's) tolerance towards a law requiring people to give identifying details when buying a 'pay-as-you-go' mobile phone, that some responders should both assume and accuse us of being any less-informed than they are as to 'totalitarian creep' potentially embedding itself throughout society.

I am not unaware, nor am I asleep. I 'know' when I am being tresspassed against, and it is I who will decide how it affects me, and what action I will take. I fear neither my government nor any potential terrorist, and will speak out against them whenever my perception of them and their actions holds a valid and reasoned argument. Equally, I will not allow myself to tremble and shudder at the vast swathe of suspicion and paranoia arguments being bandied about that are not based in reality or do not hold a valid argument. In fact, I will argue against them with equal gusto, as it is my duty to myself that I retain a sense of balance in my perceptions and discernment.

I live in the UK, and although there are many CCTV cameras on many city streets, there is not one that surveilles the inside of my home, nor at my place of employment (except external to the premises). CCTV cameras as well as their potential to be abused (to a limited degree) also aid the public by acting as a distant 'virtual' witness to a event causing distress; it's all about 'pros' and 'cons'. When the 'cons' outweigh the 'pros', then is a time for argument and protest.

If you are one whom views CCTV as totalitarian eyes, I have no compunction to dissuade of you that, you can wallow in your paranoia as much as you like; for everytime you base your argument against CCTV as being totalitarian, I will base my argument for CCTV where it aided the public in their time of need, from assaults to acccidents, and getting the emergency services to the spot as quickly as possible. Remember, pros and cons!

When I (or you) interface with public insitutions and utility and entertainment services, especially where I (or you) have to pay for such services, I (and you) have to give certain identitfying details to them in order that I (and you) can enjoy their services. It's a small sacrifice of personal privacy that aids the functioning of society. The mobile phone issue comes under this circumspect, and in no way does it add to the potential of totalitarian creep.

I do not deny that there are certain aspects of today's society that can be perceived and interpreted as being 'Orwellian' in their function, but I still maintain that this country I live in is still far removed from being any where near a representation of Orwell's vision. Black and grey are not the colours of my country's flag, nor will I stand by in silence and watch them fade to such. Remember, pros and cons, and a balanced perception and discernment.

Best wishes

reply to post by skibtz

It offended a little but I've had a bad day at the "office" and I'm a little grumpy. Call it six and two threes.

As far as I'm aware, systems such as Echelon (and whatever's out there that we don't know about) listen for keywords and flag accordingly. Any particular phone call, however innocuous can theoretically be monitored. Now, I may be talking with my wife (or significant other) and the conversation may become sexual nature. A conversation that is intimate in nature is not one that I would like anyone listening in on.

Yes, just because it can be done doesn't mean it is being done, however there is no way of knowing for certain. I don't see the need for anyone knowing my spending habits (credit/debit cards); my traveling habits (oyster); or voting habits.

I'm sure that being ignorant of these technologies and associated policies that call for phone and email records being kept on file is wonderful. If I didn't know this was happening I would be carrying on my business and probably quite happy to boot. Problem is I do know and it scares me.

Excuse the rambling, it's only 9pm but it is my bedtime and I'm struggling to keep the peepers open.