Window of Opportunity

reply to post by varichello


Sorry I couldn't get to your reply sooner. I completely agree with all that you said. I'm glad you got something out of it, and I definitely want to revisit all of what he said here. Thanks!

After learning a great deal about channeling cults, the "Trickster" pheonomenon, and the frailty of the human mind, I'm beginning to worry a bit here. As Varichello pointed out above, the behavior and conduct of Hidden_Hand is highly professional and totally consistent with his/her originally outlined "rules".

Reading through this, and seeing all the failed predictions (almost everything predicted did NOT come to pass), occasionally poor grammar, and the decidedly New Age (by New Age I don't mean occult traditions that in fact date back millenia... we're talking actual New Age, the sort of terminology that didn't exist more than 40 years ago) catalogue of spiritualism theory, I almost immediately dismissed it as a hoax. However...

What if the OP is telling the truth after all? What if these elite families have been using the same methods, more or less, that channeling cults of today use? The tone of fanatacism in the OP was subtle, yet unmistakable. A firm believer. And this comes full circle back to the "Trickster" phenomenon. What juicier target for deception and manipulation is there, than a family that rules an entire planet? Again, the OP's behavior indicates he firmly believes what he is saying. He believes that his family is seeded from other planets. He believes that he was destined to rule - not by choice but divine designation.


That is what the phenomenon does - it shatters some belief systems and fosters the growth of others. The purpose is not clear, but the means are - endless layers of deception and manipulation. A kernel of truth to draw them in, and a web of lies to ensnare them. That would explain a lot - if the elites of our world are manipulated by a powerful yet bizarre class of entity/intelligence into believing that they are pre-destined to rule, that they are superior, etc.

One could even call it 'the way of the Hidden Hand'.

originally posted by: varichello
reply to post by varichello

 

I forgot to mention, that there is a reference HH made, that may throw some people off. I will allow myself to be imprecise, but if needed, I will find the exact passage. HH positions himself and his kind as being able to access the memory of his Social Memory Complex while incarnated, while inferring that ordinary humans are not able to do that.
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What HH said, in my understanding, is that they are *born* with that ability, while humans must work hard to unlock this ability.

a reply to: Cythraul

Well said.

He went ages ago.

None of his predictions came true.

a reply to: HiAliens

It depends on the perspective you look at it. You may say that none of the predictions came true, yet, you cannot deny that the prediction about Damascus came *very close* to being true. In addition, after specifying in an absolutely clear way that she was not at a high enough rank to know those things and that what she offered was, basically, hearsay, plus the conditional "it depends on what ..." after the prediction. If you couple this with the repeated mention in the answers that "no positive entity channeled will give dates because...", you *can* come to the conclusion that
1)When she gave the dates, she was not channeling
2)When she gave the dates, she was giving a personal impression based on an incomplete knowledge of the facts and she said so clearly

About the harvest dates, noone cared to ask whether the harvest dates are fixed or a range, whether harvests can be postponed under conditions or anything relevant.
In addition, noone cared to ask about lower density worlds than the 3rd. I find it very shortsighted for a community with desire for knowledge...
It is a pity that I only found out about that recently. I find disappointing that the vast majority of the questions were about other material and the verification by HH whether the content is accurate or not, or questions related to personal status. That was a unique chance to ask about things *not covered* anywhere else and it went without being utilized. Perhaps she should had opened that window to Project Camelot's forums, indeed. I am certain that the people there would ask more useful questions that would help to *fill gaps* in already present knowledge and not just repeat it, so that you can say "she copied from this or that source". If you ask me about things that are common knowledge, my answer will be the same as others answers but this does not mean I am aware of their answers or that I have taken my knowledge by them. It is your fault for not asking original questions that you failed to get original answers, not hers.

I would had asked about "group soul fragmentation". How is it possible for any group-soul entity to advance through the harvest mechanic, when part of the souls it is made of would end up to different densities, according to individual development.
I would had asked about what is the status of lower than 3rd density worlds and why human souls cannot incarnate there, of course.
I would had asked about the nature of non-Logos group souls(Like Lucifer) and what does it mean for them to have their "contract to help Earth" cancelled by the Council.
I would had asked about the reference to the Orion Empire and how is it possible for entities that are part of the "Infinite Creator" to defy the Infinite Creator's "rules" and how would it be consistent with free will to be forced to unification with the "Infinite Creator".
I would had asked about the concept of "Negativity". If the "Infinite Creator" is a positive entity, how would it be possible to have "negative" parts in its self-division.
I would have asked more, but I was not here. And I find it disappointing that none of those that *were* here asked those questions.
Although I must say that I do not know how much of it an *incarnated* to the 3rd Density, "late 6th Density" entity would be able to accurately answer, but I am certain she would do her best and that we would have acquired more info in this incarnation about things we have no clue about.

I apologize if you find my post somewhat offensive, it is not directed to you exclusively, of course, but that was a great opportunity missed. What is done is done, though. I guess we will have to be content with what was given and try to make the best out of it and not let frustration get the best of us...

I would like to thank Hidden_Hand and her leaders that decided to give that window at the time they did and all members of AboveTopSecret that took the chance to ask the questions they felt they had to. Without their participation that would had been a complete loss.

Namaste.

originally posted by: ThunderGr
a reply to: HiAliens

It depends on the perspective you look at it. You may say that none of the predictions came true, yet, you cannot deny that the prediction about Damascus came *very close* to being true.

You're right about Damascus ThunderGr. The rest of the predictions were more or less wrong. There was obviously some sort of plan which was partially successful. But they haven't caused the mayhem they wanted. Looks like someone is stopping them.

I honestly don't believe HH and crew have our best interests at heart. I think the whole thing was just a propaganda psy-op to scare people into submission.

a reply to: Hidden-Hand

I think that you must represent the native Earthlings - and "we" must represent outsiders to planet Earth. My dreams have shown me that when I was here all that time ago, what were your ancestors were what looked like brown furry chimps, a very curious and inquisitive race. Apparantley your race was experimented upon and now your family is divided into those whom were obedient to the alien engineers, and those whom "rebelled" against them and were outcast. I have a memory that I was on this planet a long time ago, and I remember you guys as how you used to look, and whenever I see your modern representatives i feel a sense of familiarity.

I remember, ill share this, that I was in the jungle, and a small little chimp came up to me, she was upset and at closer examination, she had a wound on her palm that to me was obviously the result of a needle. I remember saying something to her, some kind of blessing...

originally posted by: HiAliens
You're right about Damascus ThunderGr. The rest of the predictions were more or less wrong. There was obviously some sort of plan which was partially successful. But they haven't caused the mayhem they wanted. Looks like someone is stopping them.

I honestly don't believe HH and crew have our best interests at heart. I think the whole thing was just a propaganda psy-op to scare people into submission.

The whole point from the sayings of HH was *exactly* that. When someone provides you with an alternative, the point is to decide whether or not you are going to select that alternative. The fact that someone is stopping them means that there are, still, enough people that make the choice to resist and I guess that this is good for humanity, in general.

"HH and crew" appear to have "the best interests for our development" at heart but, obviously, they also care about their own development and reinstatement(from the statements). Obviously, as long as they get their part done, the rest is up to each of us and this is the point.

A simple analogy is when you are put to test at school. Is it because the teacher does not have "your best interests at heart" that he forces you to take the test? Or is it because of the opposite?

originally posted by: ThunderGr
a reply to: HiAliens

"About the harvest dates, noone cared to ask whether the harvest dates are fixed or a range, whether harvests can be postponed under conditions or anything relevant."

No one asked, because we already knew this. You don't ask what you already know. It had been made clear in numerous related sources previously. Not only is this the SECOND revelation of its kind in our modern times. Also all of the contents are in congruence with the Law of One material. It is a huge database on the same subject, but extensively expanded. Let me help you.
llresearch.org...
The answers to this question, and a lot more you asked, are all in there.

"In addition, noone cared to ask about lower density worlds than the 3rd. I find it very shortsighted for a community with desire for knowledge..."

Again, the answers are in the LOO material, discussed in details FAR beyond any seekers' needs. 1st D:earth, wind, fire, water. Basically the material that coalesces when planets form. 2nd D: higher plants, most (but not all) animals, (some) minerals. 3rd D: Humans, dolphins. this goes on to 8th D, which is also the 1st of the next octave. You can read about these densities and the previous and the next octave of existence an the LOO material.

"That was a unique chance to ask about things *not covered* anywhere else and it went without being utilized."

This was the whole point. For them to gauge where we stand. And we showed them. Why weren't you here? Will you be here next time? Would you say you represent the average consciousness of this planet? And like I said,it's covered in many places. Law of One material. Conversations with God. The convoluted Universe. DIALOGUES WITH THE ABSOLUTE on Unveiled Secrets and Messages of Light. The list is literally endless.

"Perhaps she should had opened that window to Project Camelot's forums, indeed. I am certain that the people there would ask more useful questions that would help to *fill gaps* in already present knowledge and not just repeat it, so that you can say "she copied from this or that source"."

I think the best place would be Project Avalon. By far the most advanced forum. GLP, ATS, and the like... No comment.

"I would had asked about "group soul fragmentation". How is it possible for any group-soul entity to advance through the harvest mechanic, when part of the souls it is made of would end up to different densities, according to individual development."

You need to be familiar with Social Memory Complex dynamics. Law of One.

"I would had asked about what is the status of lower than 3rd density worlds and why human souls cannot incarnate there, of course."

Because you have already learned all lessons to be learned there. Those lessons are an integrated part of you now. But you can read more about this in the Conversations with God books.

"I would had asked about the nature of non-Logos group souls(Like Lucifer) and what does it mean for them to have their "contract to help Earth" cancelled by the Council."

Rule no.1.: Don't believe everything you're told. Do your research.

"I would had asked about the reference to the Orion Empire and how is it possible for entities that are part of the "Infinite Creator" to defy the Infinite Creator's "rules" and how would it be consistent with free will to be forced to unification with the "Infinite Creator"."

The first distortion of intelligent infinity is the distortion of what we call free will. It is paramount. Even Love is "only" the second distortion. Understand that no one forces. The Creator observes. The way it happens to be, when the unification happens, that's because you feel an indescribable desire to lose your personality shell and meld back into Source. No one forces you. Ever.

"I would had asked about the concept of "Negativity". If the "Infinite Creator" is a positive entity, how would it be possible to have "negative" parts in its self-division."

The definition of the Law of One:
The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.
Maybe this will help; www.naute.com...
The truth is: All is truly well.

"I would have asked more, but I was not here. And I find it disappointing that none of those that *were* here asked those questions.
Although I must say that I do not know how much of it an *incarnated* to the 3rd Density, "late 6th Density" entity would be able to accurately answer, but I am certain she would do her best and that we would have acquired more info in this incarnation about things we have no clue about."

The LOO material was dictated by an actual 6th D social memory complex, mostly word by word. But even they say it is beyond their grasp why a SMC would want to lose their identity. That is still far into their path. They are not all-knowing. Then what do you expect of someone incarnated? You do know what the veil of forgetfulness is, right?

"I apologize if you find my post somewhat offensive, it is not directed to you exclusively, of course, but that was a great opportunity missed. What is done is done, though. I guess we will have to be content with what was given and try to make the best out of it and not let frustration get the best of us..."

Nothing was missed. He didn't say anything new here. The answers are out there. And besides, conscious awareness of the Law of One is NOT necessary for ascension, or "to make the harvest",or even spiritual advancement. If you are an innocent human being that is capable of exhibiting unconditional love, like Mother Theresa, Jesus, Buddha, or whoever, it doesn't matter what you know. You don't even need to know about the Illuminati. Love all. Including your oppressors. That is the one and only lesson of 3D. Comes in many flavours though - compassion, forgiveness, acceptance, you name it. That's why you're here.

Hope this helped. Listen to Teal Swan on YT. She gives good practical advice. You want to use your knowledge, right?

a reply to: Hidden-Hand

Having come back to this thread I have to say that I am convinced that he indeed was the real deal.

Rules of the Game=Life - only humanity doesn't know what they are hence why we are inside 'a matrix by design that is essentially a play' & a game.

Interesting how he laid out the Rules of the Game (Life here) but it didn't seem that people really understood what he was saying or revealing in that all. This perhaps was the largest key he gave as to the 'code' in this paradigm for us to not only comprehend how it works but how our power and authority is robbed from us upon agreements of entrapment. The basis and foundation are Always agreements and that also includes us not saying yay or nay because omission or not resisting and claiming our 'supreme rights in authority as Creators' means that ultimately we have agreed.

By laying out the rules the way he did..........we all were in 'his game' and no one claimed their own authority over him because if so and he would have agreed he himself would have had to reveal it all based on the Laws in that case. He took the "Game" in his own hands because that is what his lineage have been bred to do from day one by way of stealing our own authority right from under us because we have been bred for ignorance and amnesia to be their prey for harvesting but the truth is it Never was his game we just gave it over to him and 'the rulers'. He knew to take what wasn't his because we 'agreed' and gave over our own 'supreme authority'. In order to comprehend this you would have to understand who and what you are and the Laws in place and how the rules of the Game works.

Remember Neo? That IS very close to reality in how the rules of the game matrix/program work when we take the red pill and discover that the Keys are what is within us and what and whom we actually are and what comes with that.

This is indeed a 'play' and ultimately just a game and the game is a recycling vampiric harvesting of souls......

a reply to: Hidden_Hand

You lost Me when You couldn't spell "Lose" correctly, page #4 I think... Wouldn't the heart need to be "open" to at least 51% for a "positive" (as opposed to 'non-positive'; there is no "good" or "bad" there just 'is'...) And wouldn't "loving of Self" get One enough "points"?

At the speed that H_H was responding to everyone, I'd think it was inevitable that he'd make some errors here and there in his writing.

I was thinking about some of the predictions he made and feel like he wasn't so off like everyone said he was...not to mention, his job was to bring negativity so maybe some of these incidents he spoke of were failed attempts but I do see how he came pretty darn close....

Just as thunderGr stated, Damascus came close to being true...

About a new dollar...there were great talks of the Amero around that time between Canada, US, and Mexico....not only that, but how long has the Bitcoin been around?

Something about loans and the economy....shoot...wasn't 2009 a scary year? Many banks, companies, states had to be bailed out at that time....people lost jobs and their homes...

I really wouldn't call BS on what he was saying or who knows, I don't know if all this stuff was in the news at the time he made these claims.

I really don't care much about any grammatical/spelling/punctuation areas or of any false predictions....who knows if he is who he claims to be, I really don't care....but I loved the message and it had me reading page after page, and just really turned a light bulb on in my head...the messenger is irrelevant to me...he could have been laughing at everyone from his mom's basement for all I care...but he made me see that I can do better for my self and for others...I can change my reality by changing my perception...I just want to think and live in a positive life and with love in my heart, overall, just try everyday to be a better person...that's all that matters

a reply to: Hidden_Hand

Hidden Hand
"You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle."

The reason why he calls himself the Hidden Hand is because 'they' all are playing a hidden hand in that they have managed to steal our 'legal right' in the universe right from under us.........managed to take our authority and true power using it against us to play out the damage of our so called free will which is not 'free' at all but a distortion of what we believed was freedom.

So as long as we allow you to play this hidden hand to undermine our own power we will never be free...........therein lies the key. The Harvest is intended for everyone who falls for one religion or another, one belief or another..............the key is KNOWING and CLAIMING who YOU ARE........and the AUTHORITY as CREATORS that we hold in the Universe.

archive.org...

www.wanttoknow.info...

www.lovethetruth.com...
(this site promotes religion which I do not but it has some good information as to the families assigned by the 'fallen' prior to the Sumerian Civilizations.

The Astor Bloodline

The Bundy Bloodline

The Collins Bloodline

The DuPont Bloodline

The Freeman Bloodline

The Kennedy Bloodline

The Li Bloodline

The Onassis Bloodline

The Reynolds Bloodline

The Rockefeller Bloodline

The Rothschild Bloodline | Part 2 | Part 3

The Russell Bloodline

The Van Duyn Bloodline



Merovingian (European Royal Families)

The Top 13 Families & The Mormon Leadership (Moriah & The Mormon Leadership)

Interconnected families:

The Disney Bloodline

The Disney Deceit Part 1

The Disney Deceit Part 2

The Krupp Bloodline

The McDonald Bloodline


www.wanttoknow.info...

The Harvest Our goal is a negative harvest for ourselves, not for you personally. We provide the catalyst of negativity for you. It is up to you what you do with it. The drastic extent of the negativity we create has more to do with us than it does with you. The harvest is mixed.

Those who are 51% or over on the positive path will graduate to fourth density positive. There you will work upon love and compassion, and it will be a very beautiful world to reside within for you. There will be very little negativity – just a small enough amount that you can still use it to exercise your free will in choosing who you are not. But it will be so much more obvious than it is here that negativity is a tool to be used. You will see the interconnectedness of all things, and you will know that you are not separate from one another or from life itself. You will not use words much, unless you choose to. Telepathy becomes the normal method of communication.

Everything is open, and you cannot hide your thoughts from others. From that incarnation onwards, you will not have to experience third density incarnation again, unless you later choose to do so from higher densities, as we have done, in order to perfect the art of service. Regarding this current great harvest, what we require is for us to personally attain a 95% negative polarity for ourselves, not for you. We must be 95% negative (at least), in order to graduate to fourth density negative and clear our karmic record of all the negativity we have created on this planet before returning to our rightful place as sixth density guardians of our galaxy and teachers of wisdom to those in lower densities that ask for our assistance.

If we do not make it, we will remain trapped in the third density cycle with all those between 50% and 94% negative (what I termed the lukewarm) and have to continue to provide negative polarity there. Harsh as it is, our only way out is to be as negative as possible to graduate. We cannot choose to be positive, because that is not what we came here to do for you. That's why I often have referred to all the horrible things we've done here as our sacrifice.

a reply to: Egyptia


Truth well said Egyptia. Hidden Hand and his ilk are doomed to a hell all of their own creation, they have set the trap for themselves. We have chased them across the multi-verse... now they shall feel the wrath of Vishnu... Poor bastards..

a reply to: Hidden-Hand

This has Bernard written all over it...

My only question is why this thread hasn't been 404'd

a reply to: LowLevelMason

Sorry i'm late. ???

originally posted by: Hidden_Hand
Yes, as I say, knowing the line is of no practical use to you. It is the belonging to the Family that is important.
There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these, as do rivers from the oceans. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour, that can be mixed to create a vast array sional) awareness.

Ok name one river that's from the ocean? dumb statement to make

Every prediction from the first page is incorrect or hasn't happened, seems like he is using the John Titor tactic of different timelines or world lines.

Hope you're doing well, Hidden_Hand, wherever you are.



@LDragonFire: To be fair, Bitcoin was created in 2009, so that's something anyway. Also, with the example he was using, think of it more as a pictogram, merely showing the oceans with rivers stemming out from it. That would fit the metaphor.

I'm not saying I buy into the posts, but it WAS the best read I've had on here in awhile.
In fact, that was probably some of the most well-worded replies I've seen on this site to date.
I just thought I'd point those out and I see a lot of folks in the responses who really missed the point of what was being written. I saw a lot of "Follow the shoe!" "No! Follow the Gourd!!" and just random little and not-so-little conclusion jumping or errors in the member's posts. Kinda wild to see the thorny responses aside his messages of being positive.

Along with the Llewellyn book theories and others brought up, this also resonated heavily with Michael Newton's Lives Between Lives regarding the afterlife accounts especially. Most interesting.

I just got back from San Francisco, it was still fairly inhabitable

a reply to: LDragonFire

a reply to: DuckforcoveR

Must have been put on hold for a bit. ~$heopleNation