Hawaii ends universal health care.

This is the reason health care won't work.

Why spend your hard earn money when you can get it for free.

Socialism just doesn't work.

It's also funny that the US news media hasn't been broadcasting this, right?

Roper


canadianpress.google.com...

ONOLULU — Hawaii, the only U.S. state to offer universal child health care, is dropping the program just seven months after launching it.

Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cites budget shortfalls and other health care options for eliminating the program. A state official complained that the program was aimed at helping low-income people and immigrants, but that better-off families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

So stupid...

Well, I'll be glad when Obama comes in and implements universal healthcare.

I mean, come on, US gov't!

There's a reason why the US, which is the richest country in the world, stand #39 on the WHO's list for healthcare!

#39!

Pathetic...

Every industrialized country in the world, save the US, has universal healthcare.

It's time we get it too.

Richest country in the world? Umm... we're broke as hell and the only thing keeping our head above water is the pile of debt we're standing on and a population too stupid to realize we are not the richest country in the world.

After only seven months, huh? And only offering the universal care to a portion of the states population. Seven months is still longer than I would have bet on it lasting.

Universal health care is so bad, that it works in every advanced country in the world except the United States. The US has shown itself to be the economic leader of the free world, and we should all abolish our universal health care schemes that don't work and mimic the system in the States that is so cheap, accessible and fair.

When are you people going to get your heads out of the sand? Healthcare, education and defence are not industries where you are supposed to make a profit. They are essential services that should be provided in return for paying taxes, to guarantee a minimum standard of living and opportunity to everybody, regardless of their economic background or class.

Look forward to seeing some of the usual liberal suspects of ATS comment on this. Of course, they usually don't show up in threads like these.



This program only provided health care for some 2,000 children and the state still couldn't afford it for more than 7 months.

If you offer someone something for free, they are going to take it, even if they can still afford it on their own.

If Obama implements this on a national scale, it will be utterly disastrous.

Originally posted by Snappahead
Universal health care is so bad, that it works in every advanced country in the world except the United States.

Define "works". You mean like my friends girlfriend, who has to be on a waiting list for a year for an OBGYN appointment?

Edit: My bad. I forgot to add she's in Canada.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by jerico65]

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Alright, good poimt. I'll rephrase.

The US is the last developed nation on the planet to not have healthcare.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Snappahead
Universal health care is so bad, that it works in every advanced country in the world except the United States.

Define "works". You mean like my friends girlfriend, who has to be on a waiting list for a year for an OBGYN appointment?

Edit: My bad. I forgot to add she's in Canada.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by jerico65]

I think you forgot to add your full of it, I agree it's not a perfect system but it doesn't take year to see specialist, if you have a serious problem you will be in to someone immediately.

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Thank you. I have been trying to tell the liberals on this board for months that Universal Health Care doesn't work, and the countries that have it are moving away from it. I have cited Canada several times, but they seem to want to conviently ignore the facts that are right next door.
We do need something in place for those who don't have health insurance, but it needs to be temporary, just to give someone a chance to do better.

Originally posted by QuadroClip
I think you forgot to add your full of it, I agree it's not a perfect system but it doesn't take year to see specialist, if you have a serious problem you will be in to someone immediately.

Hey, no worries; with a year long wait, any problem becomes serious!

And until you know this person, how about keeping your smack to yourself.

Hey, has anyone thought to ask these politicians if their health care will provide chiropractic, dental, hearing, mental, vision ?

How about breast enlargement for the girls and hair transplants for the guys? I mean after all having big boobs and hair is good for your self esteem, right? That's mental health right there.

Roper

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Originally posted by Snappahead
Healthcare, education and defence are not industries where you are supposed to make a profit. They are essential services that should be provided in return for paying taxes, to guarantee a minimum standard of living and opportunity to everybody, regardless of their economic background or class.

Uh, boy do I disagree with that set of statements BIG TIME.

The only thing taxes should pay for is national defense, and that's the current status.

Health Care

Let me ask you this - if no one made a profit in the health care industry, then how many people do you really think you would be busting their asses completing a medical degree? The number of people needing medical care isn't going to decrease, but the number of medical providers certainly would.

Are you prepared for government run hospitals where life threatening injuries are treated within 24-48 hours because there are so many of them to be treated and not enough doctors and nurses to actually do the work?

Are you prepared for waiting months to a year for a doctor's appointment?

These wouldn't be exaggerations either because you cannot deny that profit is a significant driver of people studying medicine!

Education

So you think it's the government's role in educating our children? You want the U.S. government choosing what they will and won't read? You don't fear the government limiting access to materials that make the government itself look bad the way China does now?

I sure as hell don't want my child educated in a government run institution. Private school is the way to go.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by sos37]

Originally posted by sos37

Uh, boy do I disagree with that set of statements BIG TIME.

The only thing taxes should pay for is national defense, and that's the current status.

I do not agree with this at all and find it very hard to understand the mentality behind it.

There should always be free healthcare for those who cannot afford it.
For those that can afford premium health care, they get a higher standard, quicker reaction times and private institutions profit from it.
This is fair capitalism.

The same is true for education, 1st, 2nd & 3rd levels. If you want frills.. you pay extra for them and private institutions profit from it.
This is fair capitalism.

While i do not agree with many aspects of the Western European social welfare systems (In Ireland, if you cannot find work, the government will give you €204 per week, pay your rent and give you medical care until you get a job - i find this somewhat unfair in some situations), but a lack of social welfare can cause serious social problems in degraded areas.

The difference between this system and the US system for instance, is that, it is harder to become uber wealthy because of the high taxes to pay for the system, but, if you are down and out, you will never go below the breadline.

I suppose you could look at the mentality for creating this system coming from the depravity in western Europe after ww2 and the need for never having complete suffering for some while times are good for everyone else.

I want the same kind of health care my Representives and Congressmen get. It's paid for by my taxes. Why do they get preferential treatment.

I'm wondering where any of you who have actually sat down and read the entire Obama-Biden Healthcare plan get that he's going the Universal Healthcare route. I've read through it, as well as McCain's and I just don't see it.

I've heard it twisted, that when they talk about us being able to buy in to the same Healthcare Government gets, that he's talking "Government controlled", but that's just not how it reads to me.

I hope that under his plan I'll be able to buy into the kind of quality insurance that our Military gets. It was the best insurance I've ever had in my life, and my husband is now contemplating re-joining the military just so that I can have the quality of care that I need instead of us having to fork out $10k a year to be treated badly with Kaiser!

I know for sure having my now nontaxable medical insurance deductions, turned into taxable income and then that being "credited" back to me under McCain's plan is certainly not going to benefit me, or my family.

Universal Healthercare is not the answer, I'll give you that, and it's also not the solution Obama is setting forth.

where are all the canadians on ats? i would really like to hear their perspective about universal healthcare.

what i would like to know is if my healthcare is already free from my employer, am i still going to have to pay for everyone else on the universal plan? obama makes it sound like if you have your own insurance, you have nothing to worry about, you can keep it and nothing will change for you. i have a feeling that is not the case.

i think this hawaii example should definitely be brought to everyones attention.

Originally posted by whaaa
I want the same kind of health care my Representives and Congressmen get. It's paid for by my taxes. Why do they get preferential treatment.

They get it because they can vote themselves anything they want and we keep reelecting them. Are we stupid or what.

Roper

Scraped.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Sublime620]

reply to post by tdubz
Most of us have what we call extended benefits, for Dental,Chiropractor,
Optometrists, which we pay for through our employer ,the universal health coverage everyone pays, the rate is different depending on which province your in, but to answer your question, you have to sign up and you have to pay, we don,t have a two tier system, not one that they will admit to, if you have the money you can access private facility's, they do exist.

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I'd kill for that. I go to college full time and work as much as possible, but not full time. On that note, I can't get benefits, and there is no way I could afford even the cheapest of health care plans.

I am the type of guy who really gets screwed by the lame system we have in place currently. And if something happens to me, even though I end up being screwed, everyone in the country pays for it in higher premiums since I would never be able to pay off the debt.