Joe the Plumber part of a deeper conspiracy

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
awww Obamas camp hates it when things dont go their way......isnt that funny, with all the nasty things theyve tried to say about Palin, with all the things theyve never had to account for including his past, and other mysterious issues such as his mysterious rise to power.........and it looks like ol Plumber Joe could hurt you guys, and you dont like it........its not a set up, its an American person in an American situation and the party cant identify with it....kudos to Joe

What they don't like are real people asking Obama the hard questions because they know Obama will fail to answer them satisfactorily every time.

You know what? Whether Joe was a real businessman or not - his question is valid. And Obama's answer was genuine.

And now that the cat's out of the bag, the Obama supporters can't take Obama's answer back, so all they can do is attack Joe the Plumber.

Sorry, but whether Joe is real or not doesn't change the fact that Obama's tax policy is nothing but WELFARE in disguise. There's no way in hell you can argue that, since his tax plan is a series of tax "credits" which seek to give money to the 30% that DO NOT PAY TAXES. And if the government decides another stimulus check is on the way, those 30% will also get a cut of that.

That is the VERY definition of SOCIALISM, people:

"Socialism - CONFISCATION of resources distributed to the LEAST PRODUCTIVE members of society".

[edit on 17-10-2008 by sos37]

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Dont go their way? I don't really think the DNC is giving this a second thought, this is a non story.
Any person out there with half a brain would not consider Joe's point of view when making critical decision about who will be the next President of the United States. And if they do and they turn out to be the majority well then God help us at that point.
"Joe" is/was a media darling for a good 15 minutes, I am so disappointed and frankly amazed that members of ATS are being baited by this ridiculous excuse for a story.
Come on, this is a distraction and very close to becoming a punch line.
Do we not have more important topics to discuss?

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[There's no way in hell you can argue that, since his tax plan is a series of tax "credits" which seek to give money to the 30% that DO NOT PAY TAXES. And if the government decides another stimulus check is on the way, those 30% will also get a cut of that.]


Excuse me if I am wrong here ..but didnt that just happen with this Admin ?







[edit on 17-10-2008 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by counterterrorist
He doesn't even get with his current income he's better off under Obama than McCain.
[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]

And what was O'Bama's response to Joe? I believe to quote him it was "Spread the wealth around?" How is Joe better off under the rule of that Socialist?

I have an idea!

JOE FOR PRESIDENT!

joe is cool.

i like joe.

What did Joe the Plumber do to deserve this kind of treatment? The minute this backfired on Barry the MSM was all over this guy like stink on s**t. I haven't read every comment but I have seen plenty of assumptions.

His middle name is Joe and he owes some back taxes. I recall many famous Celebrities and politicians owing some hefty taxes. I personally know people who owe taxes also. For them, they opted to pay their mortgage first and are making payments on their taxes. I doesn't make them bad people.

As far as I know, in most cities you do not have to have a license to be a plumber. The licensed is often carried by the owner of the the company that many plumbers work for. Many of these working guys are plumbers who are working as apprentices under a master plumber. Are these apprentices frauds? To people even know what an apprentice is anymore? Besides a failed Trump tv show. Anyone know what a journeyman is? Give Joe a break and direct the hate towards Barry or McCain. I still don't know what Barry's real name is...

Boy someone must have way too much time on their hands,what was the use in making this post, how would a unlicensed plumber be part of a conspiracy? get a life

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Joe the plumber dumber sheeple part of a deeper conspiracy

Joe is a tax fraud, a business fraud, and a dumbed down sheeple ...EXACTLY what the brains behind the scenes THINK OF YOU!

That's why he was positioned in McCain's speech in one of the most watched TV spectacles of our time by the mind control corporate media.

Think about it, the best mind control brains in the world are working behind the scenes pulling the strings on our presidential candiate puppets and putting the words into their mouths. NOT ONE INTELLIGENT WORD ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM -- nationalizing the Fed and kicking the private bankers out and returning the money-issuing power to the publicly owned U.S. Treasury and charging no interest on loans or mortgages and cancelling the public debt to the private banksters. NOT ONE WORD.

They pull a Palin out of their ... bag because THEY THINK SHE REPRESENTS THE WOMEN OF AMERICA -- the "middle class dumb sheeple women of America"

They pull a Joe (whose real name is Sam) out of their ... bag because THEY THINK HE REPRESENTS THE MEN OF AMERICA -- the "middle class dumb sheeple men of America"

Do you feel insulted or flattered by being TARGETED and generalized this way, folks.

Mod Edit: Please refrain from editing mod edits.

Peace

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Dr Love]

Here is an even more likely conspiricy:

Joe is being persecuted by Obama operatives in the media to instill fear in those would question Obama's motives and methods.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by RKWWWW]

To "spread the wealth" or "make more wealth", that is the question.
Seems obvious to me which one makes more sense.

Maybe that's why Hollywood loves Obama, because they live int the land of do overs and retakes. Something Obama is wishing he could do but can't because this is the real world.

Btw, under Obama's plan, proverbial Joe would pay 600 dollars more in taxes.

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Whatever

'Joe the plumber' would get Obama tax cut after all
www.abovetopsecret.com...

are you that ignorant to t hink people like joe the plumber don't exist.

i'm an electrician and i am almost exactly in his shoes

so everything you just said of him applies to me, and i can tell you

none of it's true.

This is NOT a political debate about presidential candidates, folks.

Originally posted by sos37
Obama's tax policy is nothing but WELFARE in disguise. That is the VERY definition of SOCIALISM. "Socialism - CONFISCATION of resources distributed to the LEAST PRODUCTIVE members of society".

Get real, YOU just gave the bankers 800 billion dollars worth of corporate socialism/communism. Corporate socialism is okay, huh?

AND WHAT DO YOU CALL FRACTIONAL BANKING? Allowing bankers to lend the same dollar out 10 times and charge interest on 1 dollar time times. That's FRAUD.

MAKE ALL BUSINESS IN AMERICA NONPROFIT to end war, end starvation and end poverty, take the profit out it and let the vampires die sucking their own blood.


[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]

Originally posted by sos37
Where's your proof? Oh that's right. You're complaining about another man lying when you're a liar yourself.
With no link to back up your statements, you're either lying or spouting ignorance.
Post a link or quit trolling.

You sir are an ignorant, repugnant pig. How dare you throw slander at other people on ATS. You have demonstrated that you are nothing more than a MOLE for the Republicans. I did some homework on your background and I know you are here to stir up trouble!

Ok, here is my proof - October 16, 2008: Joe the Plumber's House about 50 secs into the interview, and this also contains proof of counterterrorist claims.

So unless you have been living under a rock (which wouldn't surprise me) I can't believe you hadn't seen any of this. But no, as I said, you are a mole.

BTW, I have provided my proof, so I DEMAND a public APOLOGY for your uncalled for slander on me and counterterrorist.

But I bet you are too gutless for that.

[edit on 17/10/08 by WatchNLearn]

[edit on 17/10/08 by WatchNLearn]

This is not a post about Obama or about McCain -- it's a post about sheeple and the Fed socialists and communists who masquerade as capitalists.

Originally posted by En4cer
And what was O'Bama's response to Joe? I believe to quote him it was "Spread the wealth around?" How is Joe better off under the rule of that Socialist?

The Fed is the biggest socialist conspiracy and communist conspiracy and capitalist conspiracy all rolled into one.

The interlocking directorate of the Fed is who funds Republicans and Democrats -- they don't care who wins. The interlocking directorate of the Fed funded communists and nazis. They always fund dictators and totalitarian war mongers, like the traitor Bush dynasty.

The FED is the biggest dictator and totalitarian monopoly next to the City of London and the Vatican bankers.

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Thanks for your post.
Not sure whose post you're responding to. If you could indicate who you're responding to, I'll pitch in and help. Thanks again.

Originally posted by indigothefish
are you that ignorant to t hink people like joe the plumber don't exist.

i'm an electrician and i am almost exactly in his shoes

so everything you just said of him applies to me, and i can tell you

none of it's true.

hmmm. So you don't have an electrician's license and are committing fraud by doing electrical work, and you don't pay your taxes, and don't know your own name? And, also make way under $200,000 a year probably closer to $50,000 or even $30,000, and you want to buy a business for $300,000 to $400,000 -- and will never have the money to -- and owe income taxes from years past of $1,200-$1,800 and would be better off under Obama's tax plan than McCain's, and that's why you prefer McCain's?

What is true here? It's okay to give the wealthiest bankers in the world 800 billion dollars? It's okay for these same bankers to own the Fed and charge us 10 trillion dollars for using our own money, and these same private bankers to collect 300 billion to 350 billion dollars a year in interest on the debt?

When the whole time, the function of the publicly owned U.S. Treasury is to print and own our money but it was stolen by Rockefellor and Rothschild and Warburg.

Let me see -- it's okay to have a credit shortage because there is no money shortage ... is that your argument. Because credit shortage are 100% contrived ... and there is no shortage of money, the Fed just prints it up w/no backing whatsoever, whenever it wants to.

There's no reason why the Fed can't print up 100 million dollars for each of us right now ... they do it for themselves all the time.

I suppose you have or haven't noticed the world central bank conspiracy, lately ... or do or don't even know what it is.

Just like Joe the sheeple.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by Alxandro

 

Whatever

'Joe the plumber' would get Obama tax cut after all
www.abovetopsecret.com...

not only that, Joe needs about $300,000-$400,000 to buy a plumbing business worth $250,000. Where's he gonna get it, he's not even a licensed plumber. And has no savings, presumably, that's why he's not paying his income tax off.

Originally posted by Alxandro
To "spread the wealth" or "make more wealth", that is the question.

sheeple mentality in action. parroting back what they're told. no thinking. no critical analyses. no ability to read the opening post or grasp the argument, what-so-ever.

just for the sake of senseless argument.

not even NWO disinfo folks, just sheeple

that is the answer.

Originally posted by counterterrorist

Originally posted by Alxandro
To "spread the wealth" or "make more wealth", that is the question.

sheeple mentality in action. parroting back what they're told. no thinking. no critical analyses. no ability to read the opening post or grasp the argument, what-so-ever.

just for the sake of senseless argument.

not even NWO disinfo folks, just sheeple

that is the answer.

For a guy who started a turd of a thread you sure are arrogant.

Originally posted by RKWWWW
Here is an even more likely conspiricy: Joe is being persecuted by Obama operatives in the media to instill fear in those would question Obama's motives and methods.

THE opening post IS NOT A POST ABOUT OBAMA OR MCCAIN -- hello?

And if you think there are Obama operatives in the media, you probably think there are McCain operatives in the media, too. And you probably don't know what the corporate media is, or you'd be after it.



Moreso, you'd be after the interlocking directorate of the Fed, who own the media, and own the banks that own the oil companies that bleed you dry.

"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world.

By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance.

Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker's Magazine

for charts of the private bankers who own the Fed, see the following url and NOTE some of these thieves just got the 800 billion dollar bailout -- actually, ALL of them did.

www.my2012.4t.com... In his Foreword to the study, Chairman Henry S. Reuss, (D-Wis) wrote: "This Committee has observed for many years the influence of private interests over public responsibilities of the Federal Reserve System ... many companies in these tables have multiple interlocks to the Federal Reserve System. First Bank Systems, Southeast Banking Corp., Federated Department Stores, Westinghouse Electric Corporation, Proctor & Gamble, Alcoa, Honeywell, Inc., Kennecott Copper, Owens-Corning Fiberglass ... all have two or more director ties to district or branch banks. Federal Reserve directors are representatives of a small elite group that dominates the economic life of this nation."

[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]