Adequate Family Protection

Hello fellow ATS members,

I live in a particularly troubled neighbourhood in Zimbabwe. My house has been converted to a high security compound surrounded by a high fence topped with razor wire. I am a relatively wealthy white individual with a wife and 3 children.

I always ensure that my children carry their .38 smith and wessen pistols at all times and i have an AK-47 in the trunk. I have a 12 guage under each seat of the car and the car is equipped with tinted, bulletproof windows.

My house is stocked with at least 6 months of canned food and i am fully prepared for a continous assualt with adequate supplies of hollow, and cased rounds.

While some may think this is over the top i think that this kind of protection is neccesary for anyone who seriously cares about their family.

What is the level of home defense in average American households?

a telephone and some craft dinner

not much... most Americans don't even own a gun.

some have dogs...

there isn't much security wise over here. We do have some wierd veterans that set up .50 cals on their roofs and load their lawns down with Claymore Mines...

as an american, i see it as my duty to own a gun, and it use it to defend myself and my freedom. no, im not one of thise crazies who goes over the top. i do have several assualt rifles, and an RPG-18 in the basement. when the NWO order arrives i will not be helpless. i always carry a 44 magnum, because when i shoot someone, i want them to stay down. in my car i have a sawn off shotgun for a carjacking. i am willing to lose long range damage for mobilty.

Originally posted by leomurray
a telephone and some craft dinner

LMAO

I live in Adelaide, Australia postcode 5000 area code 61 08 I leave the keys in my car and walk out without locking my house doors , own no dogs have no guns or nothing greater than a bread knife which [sic] cuts bread.

what are you people on about ?

me smells phony pony op

Godspeed

Video cameras of the home perimeter. Videos from the perimeter of hte house. Infrared cameras that have battery backup. Motion activated lighting, that must partially blind intruders, while at the same time backlight them. Dogs. Nature's barriers, which include piracantha. Properly "trained", you'll need a transfusion just to get through a piracantha hedge.

Unobtrusive channels. You want your opponent to be channeled into certain areas. Those that are easily and heavily covered. What looks like the main entry is not the main entry. It just gets you into another box once you're inside. Finally, like many ancient defensive positions, you can rig your entry to where when activated, one has to literally duck down - almost crawl in to make entry. Suitable to taking the SOB's head off. And then, once they have gotten inside, even more channeling.

In your situation, I'd also consider a devil's organ underneath my vehicles, or construct heavy steel blast boxes which divert the back blast of claymore mines that are fired electrically from inside the vehicle. You don't want to try to contain, only to divert down and back. Two on each side, one front, one rear. In a sudden attack, you may not have time to reach a shotgun, and even then, it's an awkward proposition from inside a vehicle. Or, high volume, high strength servos/hydraulic arms that swing a blade made from auto leaf springs which slice forward or backward. Sure takes the legs out from under a man who is attempting to get inside a vehicle.

Anyone with a pipes and powder can create many effective multiple projectile defense weapons that can be concealed even within apparent structural components. Again, fired electrically. Just picture large, one-shot shotguns. Another thing is to make your own Prussic acid to be distributed within one of your channeled approaches - outside. They'll take one breath and not even two steps. Homemade napalm is easy to make with a 55-gallon or 30-gallon drum tilted at a 45 degree angle, buried to the bottom lip. The thrusting charge is placed underneath, and this is ideally a slower charge like a cratering charge. Ignition can be mechanical that reacts just after the electrical charge goes off.

One other thing. A fox never trusts himself to just one hole. A bit of tunneling to adjacent positions will provide escape or in turn get the drop on your opponents can give you an advantage.

Good luck.

Great Thanks Dooper!

I will be sure to put some of those tips to use. I especially liked the spring loaded blades from under the car. Usually we are forced to hurriedly shoot carjackers in the face when they try to enter the vehicle but this way is far safer.

guns ...guns and more guns :-) nahh but seriouslly the best defence is lack of ignorance to what ''could'' happen ..... im always on the lookout

heres some of my security measures

Natas V. Altobello 140lb ''fully'' trained doberman



Para P-14 with 20rd mag and AMD-65 with 75rd drum


Saiga12 with 20rd Wraithmaker drum



[edit on 16-10-2008 by bravo40]

Wow great dog, has he killed before?

Originally posted by UnderCover9
Wow great dog, has he killed before?

nahh no kills yet lol ......... he knows right from wrong and so far nobody has been willing to push him

In Texas it is a AR-15 and a .45 (1911) or Glock. That and shotguns. However the last few months is anybodys guess. I work at a store where in 90 days we have sold over 500 Bushmaster and RRA AR-15s, probably 3 times that many pistols, and millions of rounds of ammo. I have no idea how many magazines..Maybe 2 million in 6 months? Form 4 suppressors aka silencers we have formed out prob 100 or so in 6 months. Most of those .223 or .22. We have a order in right now for a half million Glock mags and prob 1500 AR-15s. TX is well armed. This is like nothing I have ever seen. Gun stores have a endless supply right now, and the public is hungry for guns and ammo. Makes the last AWB days look mild. Frenzy is a better word for it. Here is one last thought. We sold 2 Barrett .50 (82A1) rifles between 2002-2007. Last week we sold 7 of them. At 8400 each.

But back to you.......If I were living in your shoes, I would take advantage of the fact you can own pretty much whatever you want there. Get a HK MP5K for your car. For the house a HK G36C or a Krinkov of some kind. On your person a HK USP9 is great because just south of you there are tons of those in service and lots of parts and mags. HK pistols are like AKs in your part of the world.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

My oh my, that's quite a bit. Honestly, I'm not NEARLY prepared. I have the knowledge and skills to survive pretty much indefinately without resupply in harsh terrain, but my personal home is light and my arsenal is...nonexistant. That's one thing I can recommend: survival skills. Many people unfortuanately overlook this area in favor of overwhelming force, but a solid knowledge of bushcraft can help immensly. No, in Zimbabwe, I don't know how much bush there is to craft in, but the skills themselves are useful.

I do, however, carry a Spyderco folding liner-lock knife with me at all times. Effluent neighborhood in Canada, so crime's not much of a problem, but my nightly runs take me all over.

You have a awesome point Spider. You have to be able to survive. Stay in shape! A 10 second gun fight makes you pump blood like a race horse. Survival skills are a must as well. Test yourself if possible. I spent 10 days in desert with 1 backpack that I keep ready. After 10 days I came home and rebuilt my pack with the stuff you really need. I was amazed at how much I did not know. Now I read as much as I can and watch videos on survival. Go twice a year for 5 days, one place hot as hell. One cold as a freezer. Be ready for anything. BTW if you have kids they will have a blast camping! Never forget fishing gear in your kit. Also, use a tipi tent from Kifaru. No tents with bottoms, even in snow! Indians knew what they were doing....trust me.

Oh and in cold weather wool is king. I have used thousands of dollars in North Face and other high end gear...It sucks. You need wool so you dont sweat and freeze in that expensive jacket.

[edit on 22-10-2008 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

Did I actually read that most American's don't own guns? Everyone I know owns a gun and I'm near Seattle! The house has good locks, window locks, and three dogs. We have Shotguns, two Glocks, 1911, AR15 and some hunting rifles. Hopefully there will be a few more by the end of the year. Shotgun stays under the bed, Kimber on the nightstand. Girlfriend wants an AK going to have to propose soon! I think the best protection would for you to move the loved ones to the good old USA! I'll take you to the local gun club!

reply to post by dooper


Damn my friend, remind me not to # with your house! You must have some pretty freaky enemies!

I'm sorry, but this thread is not only unbelievable, but laughable.

As for the question at hand, common sense would tell you that the average American home defense is NOWHERE NEAR to the defenses you allegedly have in place.

Lets break it down logically. Your situation results from the fact you are a victim of circumstance, right? Conversely, since the average American family is probably under no threat from a large scale domestic assault, there would be no need for something to the scale you have.

From this you should be able to extrapolate that, at the most, the average American home has small arms, flood lights, and security doors, or anny combination thereof.

Thus, anything beyond that, or any combination thereof, would not be average.



[edit on 11/21/2008 by prototism]

reply to post by prototism

Proto, you can speak for yourself. There are many of us who have more than a few security lights and such.

I just happen to love technology, I hate surprises myself, though I love surprises on the behalf of others, I have been in a shoot-out here and there, enjoy the peace of mind that comes with a layered defenses, and I just simply love the challenge from both sides of the problem.

You always work the problem backwards. You ask yourself how, if I'm really determined and have several friends to back me up, can I get into this house? How? How quickly? Short of driving a tank through it, how would I get in? Or what if I just wanted to target someone inside?

What bizarre equipment/tactics could I possibly use? Now what would I likely do if I were stoned or even suicidal?

Because of my reputation, I've been called in to consult when a wealthy homeowner has "problems," and they feel a threat. I do them the same way. I "attack" their home every way I can think of and with a number of different tools. I can give them plenty of early warning, and even show them a few steps to take in those initial moments. But I can't fight their fight if the time ever comes. I can only enable them to be the surprisors, not the surprisees. What they do after that is up to them.

Most people simply don't think about "channeling" their opponents into your carefully prepared killing zone. There are a number of plants that are absolute nightmares to try to overcome, and, since they are "natural," the intruders rarely think that they were carefully placed and "trained" to be conducting them right into the prepared kill zone.

For me, it's just an exercise for my mind to stay busy. No victim of circumstance, no pending large scale domestic threat. Just good, clean fun.

If you've ever had much experience in cheek-clinching, pucker-squeeking combat, you already know the post-combat thought processes you go through to review every aspect of that combat, from every perspective, from every angle, to learn something for the next time.

You know -you don't get any sleep at all that night until you've reviewed every sequence, every move of your opponent(s), worked out every possibility, every mistake, every good move, and have nailed down every eventuality to learn future lessons from. You replay the event over and over in your mind scores of times in both real time and slow motion. And only after you've chewed it over in your mind and can glean no more lessons, you can only now sleep?

When I mentioned the blades made from the leaf springs of cars that would take the legs out from under a potential carjacker, we actually built some for the hell of it out of a hydraulic ram. Two pivot angles that could be adjusted, and connected with bicycle chain. Sharpened a bit, they would cut through a five inch pine tree, or three nailed together 2X4's.

Anyone who would have attempted to take that car by hijacking from then on would have been called, "Shorty." We wanted to make the next one out of some large servos, but never got around to it. The garage door springs would work too, but we were looking for a relatively clean cut.

You don't do this kind of thing out of paranoia, you do it because you can, and you enjoy the process. I'm sure you have a hobby as well.

Like my friend who will spend multiple thousands of dollars, hundreds and hundreds of hours getting an old car perfectly restored, and usually within a few months, he sells it really cheap, to get another piece of junk to start the process over.

Yeah. Go figure. Either one of us! But we have fun.

shout out to bravo40-your a bad ass- any ways - you live in africa hommie i for sure have all the guns you have plus more, only because third world counties are always in some kind of marshal law, rioting, overthrowing governments, gangs and the local rebels you have to deal with-so i would give your kids guns that had more rounds in clips, because you don't want to reload in the middle of a gun fight, give them 9mm or .40 cal with higher grain rounds and at least 17-20 round clips, have at least 3-5 extra clips, and get your AK-47 a 223 as reliable friend, because he is a bit more accurate and can hold more rounds, with out jamming during a gun fight! good luck friend and i hope you really do take my advise!


[edit on 11-12-2008 by nwomi]