It's Official: Zeitgeist, Peter Joeseph, is out in left field.....

reply to post by The_Brave


Look you want to know true evil. Look at the people who run this show. Their stage is the world and we are the puppets. we work from a nine to five job to make very little income and halfe of it ends up going back to the central bankers and the gov. Look at the way economy is colapsing we are leading to a one world gov faster than we can see it. The time is to awake and look for your selves, we are but pawns in this grand illusion called life of what is just sport and play, our main objective as humans is to return to our source, but first remove the vail over your eyes and WAKE UP!! For this is the best time to be alive know.

jones comes over as the school yard bully in this and what happens sooner or later the bully gets his nose broke .
alex jones in my view is a rude arragant jerk ,
some of the work he has done is quite good but this is utter #e

reply to post by liquidsmoke206


You have a very valid point and I hadn't looked at it like that. Ok, I'll rephrase, he seems a bit too materialistic, a bit too atheistic, a bit too spirtually disconnected, and that dosen't mix with my own experiences and view on reality. The right brain, besides the whole creative artistic functions, also is linked to spiritual awareness and consciousness of the wholeness of reality, which is something I don't get from either zeitgeist, which sometimes is almost a socialist manifest, or from the man's interview.

But you're right, the creative work in the movie is talented and in no way do I mean to devalue what he is done or what Zeitgeist represents. I'm just pointing out that there is a whole spiritual link within oneself to be made, and I don't think he's made it. His criticism of religion is valid, I don't like or follow any organised hierarquical religion either, but he's left missing a piece, and there won't be functioning societies without at least of the population being internally balanced with their true nature. Imo.

Still, Alex Jones came off worse, for all his intelligence he came off as a jerk, as a drill sargeant. I have a feeling the very awakening he is also anouncing will also result in the loss of his relevance, because there is, paradoxically, a lot about him that just feels the same as the NWO crowd.

The mess we are in now really is a cultural phenomenon and we all need to be the change we want to see, the same going for A. J. and P. J.

I think that was very enlightening, Alex is a christian so he is instantly threatened by Peters work. Pretty simple.
The argument over evil highlights this, Alex sees the world being run by a secret satanic cabal much in line with his belief system no doubt a product of his environment and conditioning. Peter sees it as a natural result of the monetary system which of course it is, there is no need for secret cults bent on world domination. It's the lust for money above all, including human well being and the environment. Like attracts like so these people will conspire, but they will by their conditioning stab each other in the back if it paid well.
I agree with Peter 100% Alex, hypocritically sounded like an advocate of eugenics there for a bit to my ears.

Every one has both good and evil in them, a little Charlie Manson and a little mother Theresa. We all have multiple personalities. Beneath the ego lies the schizophrenic, a myriad of personalities. At least this my perception.

I think it's ok to keep the beliefs, lets just dump the institutions. Or is it the institutions that have become the religion?




[edit on 16-10-2008 by squiz]

Transhumanism and technocracy will not save humanity. It is just another golden cage with many very dark places in it.

The evolution must happen in our mind and conciousness. Surly, technology will help to understand those aspects better day by day. Quantum physics is a perfect example, helping to understand co-creation and oneness.

In light of this I find the Zeitgeist II only in very few parts viable for the evolution of humanity.

The problem we have in the financial system evolved from taking interest on debt... not the free market idea or that competition is a wrong path (think about animals... this is how nature is).

To have money as a proxy for exchanging good is not inherently wrong. It is the interest on debt that slaves many of us.

My 2ct

Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by liquidsmoke206

 

You have a very valid point and I hadn't looked at it like that. Ok, I'll rephrase, he seems a bit too materialistic, a bit too atheistic, a bit too spirtually disconnected, and that dosen't mix with my own experiences and view on reality. The right brain, besides the whole creative artistic functions, also is linked to spiritual awareness and consciousness of the wholeness of reality, which is something I don't get from either zeitgeist, which sometimes is almost a socialist manifest, or from the man's interview.

But you're right, the creative work in the movie is talented and in no way do I mean to devalue what he is done or what Zeitgeist represents. I'm just pointing out that there is a whole spiritual link within oneself to be made, and I don't think he's made it. His criticism of religion is valid, I don't like or follow any organised hierarquical religion either, but he's left missing a piece, and there won't be functioning societies without at least of the population being internally balanced with their true nature. Imo.

Still, Alex Jones came off worse, for all his intelligence he came off as a jerk, as a drill sargeant. I have a feeling the very awakening he is also anouncing will also result in the loss of his relevance, because there is, paradoxically, a lot about him that just feels the same as the NWO crowd.

The mess we are in now really is a cultural phenomenon and we all need to be the change we want to see, the same going for A. J. and P. J.

a bit too atheistic?...thats like saying someone is a bit too pregnant.

anyway... atheism is the natural state of man...if you didnt teach your child about any of the gods man has invented he wont believe in them...

religion is a control and money making mechanism...and alex is a victim when he claims he is the most enlightened person on earth

Oh man, just finished watching it. If ever there was an argument against primitive ape like behavior in man, Alex just settled that one.
We got a long way to go.

reply to post by alienesque


Not at all. You have the other viewpoint to consider, with people like Terrence Mckenna, Alan Alford and Thomas Campbell writing about a deep spiritual link within mankind. While I personally can't define or understand yet what a God being would be, it has become clear to me that there is a lot more in our world than dreamt of by an atheists philosophy. If anything I would say the opposite. A human's default state is linked to his spiritual reality, and it is our contrived technocracies that unlink us from source. Atheism, understood in a broader term of lack of spiritual linkup for my purposes, is not at all a natural state. It is a human spiritual disorder. Detox your body, meditate, reconnect and you will understand I am right, but it will change your world, and that alone is scary.

reply to post by squiz




I found the whole thing hilarious.


What we witnessed yesterday was a gigantic clash of egos. Peter Joseph playing the role of self important, pompous, elitist know it all and Alex Jones playing the role of the angry, brain damaged redneck. Made for great theater.

As I said before, everything was going fine until Joseph made that jab at AJ about him being a hypocrite for selling his videos for $19.95 instead of $20.00 even, calling him a manipulator etc.

I have a feeling a lot of this was sensationalism for the benefit of ratings, I also get the feeling that Jones took a real personal insult to Peter Joseph's "better than thou" attitude and went right for the throat.

What Joseph was saying was the equivalent of the Obama barb about dumb Christians clinging to their guns and religion etc. You dont say that stuff to a psychotic Texan like Alex Jones on his own program and not expect to get lit on fire.


I loved the first Zeitgeist and most of the second one, and I am a big fan of Alex Jones and all that he does as well. But face it, they are both human, they are both promoting an agenda and they both have huge ego's. No suprise a clash was in the making.

My best advice, take it all in with a grain of salt

reply to post by Terrapop


Nature is far more complex than humans give it credit for. It's symbiotic systems, not competition, I get fed up of nihilists saying it's all competition, when they are only thinking about parts of the whole system. We are not just warrior hunters, we are traders and farmers.

And the free market is not a solution for mankind, free market capitalism is locked in a closed cycle with fascism, because money has weight, it has gravity. The more money you have the easier it becomes to make even more money, over generations this leads to massive economic centralization which leads to political authoritarism and social elitism. It's a mechanic, and in this sense Peter Joseph is right. You can't have a fair society with a totally free market, there has to be checks and balances here. I dare say, if you have economic checks and balances you don't need political checks and balances as much and you sure as hell will not need a police state.

Capitalism is an economic system that through it's very mechanics will always centralize wealth, something that from the interview I get the feeling Alex Jones has not figured out yet. If he let P. Joseph have fair air time and stop yelling like a mental patient he would have said more or less what I said here. This is a socioeconomic reality everyone needs to realise before they carry on about the endless virtues of free market economics. Sure, they work well for a period, but then they dry up and oppress mankind. And not because of human nature as a whole, but because they give unfair advantage to the less scrupulous and more dishonest of us, to the criminal minded minority. Replace one elite and you will over time end up with another. Change the system and the problem goes away for good, which is the Zeitgeist addendum message.

But I'll repeat myself, I have no idea how to get from here to there.

I'm on the 4th video of this interview on YouTube and Jones has already had enough of this guy.

I'm not sure Joseph really has a firm grasp on reality.

Peace

Thanks OP for creating this thread and helping to out Peter Joseph, who has shown his true colours during the interview with Alex Jones.

Joseph is communist - Get a good look folks, this is what they look like.

A great many young people think the threat of communism isn't real, or is something that exists only in films or television.

If you want to do as Peter Joseph does, then you too are a Communist.

You see, Communists look just like you and me but the threat they pose is hidden behind words, propaganda and fantasy. They tell you what you want to hear.

The USSR was "A Worker's Paradise" just like in China. Communist will promise you the world, You just have to agree to their every demand first and surrender to their belief system... and THEN you can have your utopia...
-After it is authorized by the Supreme Soviet.

This reminds me of Peter Joseph's viewpoint (and Zeitgeist)



Communism is Real. There are over a billion of them and they want you to be just like them. Those who continue to resist are to be "Reconditioned" -which is Actually the term Peter Joseph used when asked what will be done with those who don't want to go along with his Communist Fantasy Land where Everything is Free... They will be "Reconditioned."

Maybe Kim Jong-Il should hire this guy as a consultant.

This fella also sounds an awful lot like Peter Joseph talking to Alex Jones about Alex's use of the word 'Evil' and his 'primitive' emotions:


By joining the Zeitgeist Movement, this is what you are really saying:


*I use cartoons but I'm not joking.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

reply to post by TruthTellist


dictarships are not REALLY 'communist'. they are 'totalitarian'.
REAL communism is what the amish do, and that's the REAL face of communism. it is all about COMMUNITY and everyone contributing what they can to the betterment of the society. it is not just another power pyramid, like capitalism.


"better dead than red". HAHA, LOL@ cold war propaganda!

Originally posted by billybob
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

dictarships are not REALLY 'communist'. they are 'totalitarian'.
REAL communism is what the amish do, and that's the REAL face of communism. it is all about COMMUNITY and everyone contributing what they can to the betterment of the society. it is not just another power pyramid, like capitalism.


"better dead than red". HAHA, LOL@ cold war propaganda!

You do know that communisim will not stop until its completes its task. Which is total control of the world. Much like the PTB, they want it. Now you have alternatives to different systems, ours here in America was once for the people, but the people did not get involved enough to understand what was going on. This caused a slide to the PTB who now control almost every fasit of the dream that once was. Now it can be changed back to what it formerly was by two implications of executive orders from JFK. Printing interest free money backed by Precious metals. What hans Joseph wants to do is control the world as he sees fit to control it and have a world like he wants. Now here in lies the problem, we all agree to disagree, he is not the way, nor is other systems that do not offer any substance other than words. Take your pick, I have mine, but to say that Mr. Joseph is out in left field, yes, but not in his own world. Its great to live here in America as you can voice your opinion on anything.

I did enjoy the first Zeitgeist and in a large part the Addendum as well.


But the whole utopian society angle and the Venus Project that Joseph keeps trying to sell really set off a red flag for me.

Not only is it not realistic and not possible to implement without serious problems being that it's basic design is flawed and shows serious shades of communism.

It also mirror's and frighteningly so the description given by David Rockafellar of the New World Order's plan for a technology driven society built and designed for the benefit of the world banker and the intellectual elite.

It smacks of totalitarian rule and defies the free will of a controlled and manipulated populous.

Does it strike anyone as odd that these two scenarios run so parallel to one another? Maybe I am wrong but his description of this blossoming utopian society is at best a poorly constructed pipe dream, and at worst an NWO take over in the making.

[edit on 10/16/08 by BlackOps719]

reply to post by TheRandom1


So since you decide there is good and evil it must be so?

Wow

If i decide I am a millionaire will it be so?

*closes eyes and thinks really hard*

nope.

Seriously.

I don't believe in good or evil either. Just people who do good or bad things. And we never truly understand the motives behind each one. There are people who do good things for malignant and selfish purposes.And there are those who are perceived to do bad things when in their mind it is right and justified.

It is in the eye of the beholder, and only the beholder knows the picture.

Originally posted by zman


You do know that communisim will not stop until its completes its task. Which is total control of the world. Much like the PTB, they want it.

once again, there are no communist countries, REALLY. there are totalitarian dictatorships. the totalitarians will not stop until they enslave every single one of us.

they use both 'communisim' and 'capitalism' to fuel their hegelian dialectics.

reply to post by TheRandom1


Evil is environmental. Evil can be defined in this case as: Any action that benefits one at the expense of another.

And that is an environmental issue. We are not Good or Evil. Why? Because we ARE spiritual Being having a human experience. We are beyond duality in our core Nature. The blockade right now is that we are still slumbering.

i can't believe AJ was mocking Mr.Fresco at the end of the interview, by mimicking Mr.Fresco's voice. Shame on you alex.

you see, I've seen most of Fresco's videos, and interviews. And i only see in him the sincerity in developing an alternative solution for the problems we face today.

You do know Mr. Fresco is considered a "generalist", a self-taught scientist, inventor, architect, engineer, philosopher. He experienced the great depression back when he was young and i feel that was how he became aware of the general problems of society today. He has also talked to Buck Fuller, and Einstein back in the day.

Now he is 90 years old and The Venus project was a lifetime's work for Mr. Fresco. Imagine all those models, drawings, filming all done by this guy. And yet it breaks my heart, that i sadly feel that he can't even benefit from his own work. I see his work as a "will for humanity"

if you have heard most of his stories you'll be convinced that he is truly sincere about humanity, and the way he speaks about people there is that sense of hope, he feels that people are naturally good.

I apologize for the way i construct my sentences, hehe i hope everyone would get my point.


[edit on 16-10-2008 by xej24]