Are you ready to give up on 2012, and other prophecy?

Originally posted by droid56
Blossom has failed, as has other apocalyptic prophecy over the past 2 decades.

Are you ready to give up predictions involving 2012?

What will it take for you to give up these ideas?

This reality we live in isn't going to change.

Reality
What is reality?
How do you define real?
If you are talking about what you can feel,
what you can smell, taste and see,
then real is simply electrical signals interpreted
by your brain.

There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

Originally posted by Evasius
reply to post by philjwolf

 

Don't rely on one person to tell you what's going to happen - get your info from what Mankind is saying collectively, and you'll get a pretty clear picture of things to come.

The evidence proves otherwise.

Sollog is far more accurate than the human collective consciousness can ever hope to be. Nuke terrorism will soon become a reality. Great Acts of God will kill many in the U.S. If you want to survive these difficult times ahead then Sollog is the person you should be listening to.

Put your faith in a computer program and you will not survive.

Originally posted by nutglow
Maybe the Mayans got tired of working on that calendar and decided to just stop doing it after 2012.

Anyone ever thought of that?

Nothing is gonna happen at the end of 2012. Nothing. Nadda. Not even a poop.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by nutglow]

I addressed this here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Earlier in the thread.

i believe a fake rapture event would be in the profile and reputoire of the psychological warfare being conducted agains us by our wayward enemies.

create loadsa mass ufo sightings,zap a few things with haarp,leave some "alien" bodies lying about and people will be freaking out.social pandemonium could be engineered by creating a psuedo invasion mixed with already existing economicl and political issues.

Originally posted by ZionOmega


(oops...sorry)

Then you should learn about how the bible predicted the great future empires in the book of Daniel, a long before they came to power. The Romans, The Persians among a few.

There are literally hundreds of predictions that the Bible has made that has already come to pass.

One of the biggest is when Israel became a nation after close to or almost 1700 years or something like that. This became a reality in 1967. Why is that significant? It is significant because the next stage of bible prophecy, revelations deal with the end times that take place soon after Israel becomes a nation again.

The end is right at the door. Just look at the headlines and the news. The New World Order is about to come into being and the Anti-Christ is itching to ascend it.




What kind of inane claptrap are you spewing?

Can you produce any Physical Proof of the exact dates that any of the so called prophecies were made on?

Dont give me the "Book" as proof ! I know what the words say. Do you have proof of actual dates?

"One of the biggest is when Israel became a nation after close to or almost 1700 years or something like

that. This became a reality in 1967."

And just how did Israel becom a nation ?.........

It Was all Manipulated to become a reality through the utilization of Politics. ('The binding secular religion')
Caused by the Addiction to Religous dogma. A disease that drives its Bootlicking Parasites,Minions and

Henchmen into Carnage,Butchery and Bloodshed.

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." [Big Brother]


Of course...."You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get into."




There are so many religions on this planet.
Many are thousands of years older than Christianity.

All to spread the word.....to teach the masses.

The Christan belief system is in reality a very young one.
Many religious belief systems were well established long
before Jesus made his appearence.
The majority of religious beliefs, before Christanity had
many Gods and many saviors visiting the planet;.

Some in the form of offspring ,some as mighty prophets,
some as a manifiestation of the God, a lesser Deiety.
They took the forms of animal,half human,Earth changes,
climate changes,human form,the sun, moon, stars,comets...etc.

Most include Demonic entities that made appearances
in some of the same affor mentioned forms. Many took
posession of what ever was available to enter into.

Each and every Religious belief system with or without written
docterines, demands prayer(of some type), sacrifices(ost) total
dedication (every second of every day) pleasing a Supreme
Being. Making sure the God or Gods are appeased at all times.

Most are very colorful romantic anthologys with lots of love and devotion, to the god(s)
In the same breath most are filled with cunning,trickery,lust,greed and power struggles
that lead to wars and multitudes of humans, being out and out slaughtered.

All in the name of a 'god(s)'


Back on topic.

Every thing is always here in one form or another.It all recycles its self.
Besides "It's all the same F****** day man"
-Janis Joplin

[edit on 16-10-2008 by azureskys]

[edit on 16-10-2008 by azureskys]

I see it a whole different way. That 2012 is a turning point much in the same that 2008 is a turning point. We are looking at two canidates that do not exactly inspire many in any true direction. One sms to represent the same ol thing while the other is more talk than substance.

This at a time of market being as volatile and unstable as I have ever noticed. We as a collective could change our direction on oil consumption making it a devalud commodity. Without the gold standard oil became the defacto tangible value. But as this year and the oil embago of the 70's prove, oil is not a good item to base a currency value upon.

The policies of the US abroad leave much doubt and lack of confidence in other nations as to what our intentions are exactly. Old and new oppositions are reforming themselves into the role of "enemy" in public perception with the help of propaganda and fear baiting from both the government and the media.

The current president causes stress by just making a public appearance because so many of the people have tired of him over the past two terms. Meanwhile Congress, who is more despised than Bush, made a landmark bill than many people were so against that they were actually very vocal about it. The reaction seems to be a general okay, but if this fails you have all had it. Still three weeks away, but as many as 1/3 of the Congress could be voted out especially is the market hits the basement and hires a steamshovel in order to keep digging lower.

The events of this month will have repercussion on the economy and jobs, which effects spending habits. In two years we could hit a point of real despiration and break into small revolts or outright rebellion.

If this comes to pass, whether failure or a success late 2011 into 2012 could mark some dark times because we will subjects of a stressed out governmnt ready to crackdown on the next outburst or suffering the growing pains of a new and rudderless replacement government.

With all that in mind, I say 2012 would be a turning point. Or in the meantime I could be genuninely surprised and real, true leader with the interests of the people will rise up and have a frank and grownup talk and together we change enough to enter a time of great emotional an material prosperity. In either case, I would chalk up the Mayan Calender's ending as an odd coincidence. I respect that as far as time keeping and tracking passage of time it is superior to our own Gregorian, but as tool of divination...better off investigating the human sacrifices on the old altars.

Nothing is going to happen in 2012. And nothing else is going to happen in the meantime. If something does, you couldn't prevent it, and even if you believe in the 2012 prophecy, and something does happen, you still can't prevent it, since humanity is too weak and unorganised right now.

So relax, sit back, and watch the show. If that isn't appealing, go inform the masses about how the world is actually run, and actually go do something about it if you want to stop these evil bastards (Leaders of the "free" world) from bringing about Armageddon. Remember that almost all predictions of the future have been a waste of time.

Why oh, why cant Christians keep there Bible to themselves?
Is it really that hard? Why don't YOU just let people live! And stop shoving a 2000- year old book down peoples throat!!
I am this agitated because you make life for lots of people harder than it should be!

And now you got yourself a good scheme going on, 2012 is coming ( duh its coming just like 2011 ) oh, and guess what the world will end. But hold on!! there will be an Rapture saving all the Christians. This puts fear in some people willing to do everything just to live on, naturally!
Will i be afraid if the # hits the fan on 2012? Hell no!! I would be happy that i have lived my life the way i wanted. People should stop working themselves up about things they cannot control the way they want!

Just live and let live.

There's probably some psychological explanation for this. It is my opinion that when things get bad in the world, suffering: disease, murder, war, that we want some way to start over.

Sometimes I think that these desires to begin anew are manifested in predictions that often fortell of doom and destruction, but always with the message that we can change our future. And, during the last few decades, the message has shifted more from destruction to the saving of the human race by beings more advanced than us.

Either way, I think it is a compelling desire to want to somehow bring about major change, whether we have to destroy what is here and rebuild or hope that someone else can do it for us.

Who really knows what the Mayans meant with their calendar. They could have just run out of rock!

As I grow older, I place less importance on these types of things. Most (if not always) of the time, the predictions are wrong...very wrong or just plain hoaxes.

It is so easy to hide behind a prediction and scream that the end is near or that someone else will save us. It is an entirely different matter to start living your life in a way that models the world that you desire. And you don't need to buy a book about Secret's either. There's probably some truth to creating your own reality, but what is really required is a desire from mankind to start treating each other with respect, dignity and that each life has value and purpose. Until that happens, we will be destined to repeat our past mistakes and partake in our future failures as a race.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by Freenrgy2]

I'm really not too sure IF I want to give up on the whole 2012 scenario (whichever one you would like it to be).

Sure I was dissapointed that the Aliens didn't make a mass appearance on Oct 14, but I really wasn't expecting it to happen anyway.

In reality though, I want "SOMETHING" to happen. I'm getting bored with everyday reality. I mean for me, it's get up, go to school, go to work, then go to bed, every single day...nothing changes. I'm tired of living in a slave society where we work to make someone else money to keep the economy going while paying bills just to live a "decent" life to make ends meet.

Sure its responsible to have a job but damn, I don't want to spend 8 hours a day for the next 30-40 years just to live and be happy.

Sure I can get another job but once I have that degree, I'm more than likely going to eventually get bored with the job but then what? Spend another $20,000-$40,000 for another degree? Highly unlikely.

Well I ended up going off topic lol, but anyway...Still skeptical of course but always something to look forward to. Still 4 years to go though to really know what happens

[edit on 16-10-2008 by raoulduke666]

Originally posted by Sfen Senterra
Why oh, why cant Christians keep there Bible to themselves?
Is it really that hard? Why don't YOU just let people live! And stop shoving a 2000- year old book down peoples throat!!
I am this agitated because you make life for lots of people harder than it should be!

Really? How is your life harder now after reading text on a message board, or listening to a clearly delusional person speak? Why do you get worked up over feelings of another person that you don't have control of?

2012 was never a doomsday scenario. It is a shift in consciousness. The Mayan Calendar, the I Ching, and independent MODERN scientific research all individually point to this date as being significant in this history of mankind.

Changes in our Solar System

Don't bother replying to this post unless you have constructive criticism to base your viewpoint on. If you're just going to say "DUR HUR teh 2012 is just a date teh Mai Yams got lazy DUR" then I'm going to ignore you.

Originally posted by ZionOmega

Originally posted by md11forever

Originally posted by ZionOmega

Then before you start descrediting the predictions in the bible, maybe you should actually do some research into how accurate the bible has been in its predictions?

100%

Maybe that'll open your eyes a bit?

Been there done that. Read it cover to cover. Eight years of private religious school.
Hey, if the bible proves to be right, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by md11forever]

Just wait a couple of months. I think you will be very surprised at how things are right now coming to perfect alignment with the one government the anti-christ is to rule. It isn't long now .... the events described in revelations are right at the door. Jesus knocks, will you let Him in before its too late?

There's a distinct difference between prophesy that has yet to come to fruition, and that which has already taken place. Stating the Bible is 100% accurate, but that someone like Blossom Goodchild is a farce, is like comparing apples to oranges.

Blossom gave an exact date and told what she believed was going to take place. Yes, she wound up being wrong, but that's not my point. My point is that she was specific.

The Bible on the other hand is vague in terms of dates, and more importantly in this particular case, it was written around 2000 years ago. It's easy to take what is in scripture and compare it to events that have taken place over 2000 years. Using the translation of your choice, you can figure out what a certain prophesy predicted, compare it to all those years of history, and WOW you've got fulfilled prophesy! How convenient!

So while the Bible may appear, in hindsight, to be 100% accurate, I think it's important to remember that it's not giving exact dates. Without those, you can simply wait for something to happen and say the Bible predicted it.

One other thing that has occurred to me regarding the Bible is that many of the events going on in recent history and present day could be taking place to intentionally resemble Biblical prophesy. Heck, one could even argue that one sect of Christianity (I cannot remember the name at the moment) is doing everything it can to actually make prophesy reality as a means to push forward the timeline for Christ's return. Self-fulfilling prophesy...definitely something my gut tells me is a strong possibility.

It occurs to me that the whole Blossom Goodchild thing might have been a clever ploy to stop people believing in ALL conspiracy theories, just at the time when much of what the conspiracy theorists have talked about begins to surface...! Just a thought...

And with reference to the earlier posts regarding the bible prophecies about the end times, bear in mind that those 'in charge' may be using the bible as a blueprint for their agenda. After all what more powerful tool could you use to scare the entire world into believing armageddon is round the corner, when all you have to do is genetically modify a heffer to have a red coat? "Red heffer everyone the end is nigh!!"

Trust yourselves, peace x

I'm not realy into the doomsday scene, but to be honest why would you want to believe this garbage! To scare people? To Get famous? The whole concept of the 2012 conspiracy to me is absolute tripe!

The answer to the OP is I gave up before i know what the conspiracy is about!

Originally posted by LibertyOrDeath008
First of all, 2012 isn't an apocalyptic prophecy if you actually study it and look at the actual language it uses, it talks about the end of a cycle not of the world.
Peace

I second that, most people don't understand or misunderstood, 2012 will not be the end of the world for those who are awake will ascend to higher dimension the rest will remain at the 3rd dimension

Originally posted by keops

Originally posted by LibertyOrDeath008
First of all, 2012 isn't an apocalyptic prophecy if you actually study it and look at the actual language it uses, it talks about the end of a cycle not of the world.
Peace

I second that, most people don't understand or misunderstood, 2012 will not be the end of the world for those who are awake will ascend to higher dimension the rest will remain at the 3rd dimension

I'm quoting this because it has to be said again. The Armageddon scenario has been added to the 2012 prophecy almost as to make it seem more real for the common man to understand. Seem more real, you say? To who? Hollywood? Do you base your ideas of 'Contact' off of Tom Cruise's experience in War of the Worlds?

this is possibly the best way to describe people like blossom goodchild

quote from data disk decoded from the Chilbolton crop circle "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. believe. There is GOOD out there. We oppose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING "

just my opinion though.
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After my somewhat flippant post on page 4 of this thread (sorry, humor gives balance to your life and is highly recommended to those who might take themselves and things on this site a little too seriously) I thought back to a previous event that I lived through; 1984.

1984 and 2012 are election years and times when the opportunity for drastic changes take place in this country, and by osmosis, the rest of the world.

1984 saw Ronald Reagan re-elected in a landslide and provided him with the chance through his popularity (not me) and power to take on the USSR in the waning days of the Cold War. There were times when we had, given a few different responses from the Soviets, a 50-50 chance of nuclear annihilation.

Certain events can take place that are so subtle that they are unrecognizable at the time. Nuclear war didn't happen, but look around today. As in the book, Big Brother is everywhere.

2012 may also be a re-election year for a popular, and eventually powerful President to "shake things up".

I realized at the time, after doing a little math, that I had the opportunity to be alive for both events. Now I wonder if I'll be taking Soma and shuffling off to work as a mindless drone in my drab, gray jumpsuit in my waning years.

Don't look for anything earth shattering to happen in 2012. Something may be put into motion, or continue to be developed from a previous plan, that won't be obvious for years after the fact, after its too late to do anything to stop it.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by ZionOmega

 

Why on Earth are you assuming anything about my relationship to Jesus simply because I asked you to make a thread on that?

Why on Earth are you assuming I am not very familiar with the Bible?

Stop making assumptions. Stop pointing your Biblical doomsday finger at me.

It isn't my job to be your personal saviour, just to deliver the message.

Exactly! So go make that thread and deliver that message already. I swear I will read your thread.

Again, please prove to us on ATS, this community your registered with, that the Bible has had a 100% success rate with future predictions.

Actually for someone who labels themselves as a "radical thinker" you aren't doing very much thinking out of the box on this topic.

The poster you are criticizing is correct and it can be proven up to a certain time period if you believe what the Bible has to say.

In the Old Testament, prophets made many predictions, thousands of years before events in the new testament happened. But they were all fulfilled, as told in later New Testament books.

More current prophecies have come true also.

Isaiah 11:11, Jeremiah 30:3, Joel 3:1-2 and Amos 9:11 all predicted the restoration of Israel in one day. That came true May 15, 1948.

Luke 21:24 predicted that Jerusalem would return to Jewish control, which happened in 1967 during the six-day war.

I would encourage you to read the Bible more and judge for yourself whether the Bible is an accurate source of information. For those of us who know it is a divinely inspired book, we know it is and we trust it.